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ONTD Original: 5 Reasons why a FF reboot was pointless!



You just have to admit that everything regarding Fantastic Four (2015) is a mess that you just can't stop reading about. I'm also loving driving that point home. So here's an original piece that I'm putting together for free instead of currently doing work I'm being paid for at my job because this is much more enjoyable!

1. Fantastic Four hasn't even succeeded on TV!


When was the last time you've seen a Fantastic Four TV show/cartoon? Probably never. My only 100% I remember it all experience is seeing the characters featured in Spider-man on Fox Kids, which ran from 1994–1998. That was basically 20 years ago. The Secret Wars episode was so good too.
Did you know the Fantastic Four had a cartoon in 1967 on ABC? Your parents might... or maybe not because it only lasted 20 episodes. I have some bits and pieces of watching it on Boomerang, but again... that was like almost 20 years ago. I remember Spider-man and His Amazing Friends better than I remember that show.

Fun Fact: Firestar was created specifically for Spider-man and His Amazing Friends when the Human Torch was unavailable due to licensing issues.

The New Fantastic Four aired in 1978. It only lasted 13 episodes. Fantastic Four: The Animated Series aired in 1994 with 2 seasons and 26 episodes. I honestly did not know that show even existed. I guess it aired on Fox Kids? I didn't miss much because according to Wikipedia, "Many criticized the first season for its campy tone and silly acting in the show. And as previously mentioned, the show was revamped for a second season in 1995, with revamped characters, more complex stories, and a more mature tone. However, despite mixed-to-positive reviews from the critics and fans, ratings still dropped, which led to the show's cancellation." Tragic. Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes aired in 2006 riding off of the first Fantastic Four movie. I've never heard of it until today. According to Wikipedia it took 4 years to air all 26 episodes so it's obviously a mess.


2. The first three Fantastic Four movies were messes!


The first FF film, The Fantastic Four, was supposed to be released in 1994 but it wasn't! It was a low budget mess and was only made to retain the rights to the characters: "Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters; Stan Lee said in 2005 that this was indeed the case, insisting, "The movie was never supposed to be shown to anybody," and adding that the cast and crew had been left unaware." Out of the current four Fantastic Four movies, it has the second highest RT score of 33%.

20th Century Fox, does this sound familiar to you? Except that RT score, you wish it was that high...

Fantastic Four was rebooted in 2005 and it had a sequel, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, in 2007. In my opinion, the only good things about these movies were Ioan Gruffudd, shirtless Chris Evans, Michael Chiklis, and Julian McMahon. Script was trash. I never had high expectations for the films. I enjoyed them back then.
Wikipedia says both films were commercial "successes". Fantastic Four grossed $330,579,719. Rise of the Silver Surfer grossed $289,047,763, which was less than the first. For a comparison, Spider-man 2 (2004) grossed $783,766,341 and X2 (2003) grossed $407,711,549.

Fantastic Four has a RT score of 27%. Rise of the Silver Surfer has the highest RT score of 37%.

3. It's been only 10 years since Fantastic Four (2005) and only 8 from Rise of the Silver Surfer!


I hope Fox didn't think we forgot but it poses a good question: How long should a studio wait to reboot a film?

Sony rebooted Spider-man with The Amazing Spider-Man after the original planned Spider-man 4 never worked out and they said to hell with it, let's reboot it. The Amazing Spider-Man was released in 2012, which was 10 years after the first one and 5 years after Spider-man 3. Long story short, TASM & TASM2 did not live up to the original trilogy and now Sony will be sharing Spider-man with Marvel.

The mess known as Hulk was released in 2003 by Universal. I don't know what was going on in that movie, he fought a cloud or something? Anyway, that movie only grossed $245,360,480. Marvel teamed up with Universal to reboot the Hulk with The Incredible Hulk, which was released in 2008. That's 5 years after the original. Obviously, the audience did not forget the first one and it only grossed $263,427,551. It was reviewed better but it barely did better financially.

Fox rebooted X-Men with X-Men: First Class in 2011. That's only 2 years after the mess known as X-Men Origins: Wolverine, 5 years after the pos X-Men: The Last Stand, and 11 years after the first X-Men movie. First Class grossed $353,624,124. First X-Men grossed $296,339,527. Still, $353,624,124 had some people thinking flop.

I don't know what the hell Fox was thinking. [I'm lying: we know it was "must keep the rights!"]

4. Fantastic Four isn't Batman!/Don't make drastic changes!


Fantastic Four has never been dark and gritty. Dark and gritty does not work for everything. Some people are still up in arms over that one guy Superman killed in Man of Steel. [I've never seen it.] I can understand the logic because Justice League and Injustice: Gods Among Us showed me why Superman doesn't kill anyone: He becomes a power hungry overlord that can't be stopped unless you get another dimension Superman or pardon Lex Luthor.

It works for Batman because bats are dark. His parents were murdered in front of him. "BECAUSE HE'S BATMAN!"

Some people are still pissed that Johnny Storm is black. [I never took offense to this, my only issue was make Sue black too or don't do it at all, it is just half assed to me.] People are pissed they're teenagers and that a potato was cast as Reed. [I only found him hot in 21 & Over.] I've read multiple people saying that Fantastic Four is supposed to be fun/funny, campy, etc. They aren't fucking raging with teenage angst and getting their catchphrases from childhood beatings.

I think it should be pretty clear to everyone that nobody likes it when established (in this case, only in the comics) characters are radically changed.

Sad fact: America would probably burn to the ground if they made Batman or Superman black.

5. It was rushed and a last minute mess!


Principal photography began on May 5, 2014. It ended on August 23, 2014, so filming lasted for 72 days, which is less than 3 months.

In January, it is reported that the cast were going to be doing reshoots, which were done in May, only 3 months away from the release date.

The official first trailer wasn't released until April 20, less than 4 months before the movie's release date.

In May, Fox admitted there were "definitely some bumps in the road." Then it was claimed that Trank had “erratic” behavior on set and caused $100,000 in damages to a rental house. He supposedly was fired from directing the second Star Wars stand-alone film. He later denied these allegations.

In July, Trank announced the 3D conversion of the movie was cancelled, one month away from the release date.

On August 6, which was yesterday only hours before it was released, Trank tweets that he had a fantastic version that would have got good reviews but we'll never see it.


As of 2:30 PM EST, Fantastic Four (2015) has an RT score of 9%. At 1:15 PM EST, it had 10%. When I started writing this around 11:00 AM EST, it was at 9%. The audience score is currently at 33% liked it. Around 11:00 AM EST, it was at 34%.

Floptastic Flop only grossed $2.7M for Thursday showings. Antman grossed $6.4M on its opening Thursday. Box Office Mojo reports the film will have an estimated $45M. Fantastic Four (2005) opened to $60.1M, if adjusted it would be $80.8M today.

Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4

Hurry up Sunday!
Tags: 20th century fox, chris evans, flop, jamie bell, kate / rooney mara, marvel, michael b jordan, miles teller, ontd original, television, tl;dr, who asked for this
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