the dreamer v2.0 (calinewarkwc69) wrote in ohnotheydidnt,
the dreamer v2.0

ONTD Original: Is it written in the stars? An Oscar winner and a Loser.

Jared won and Jen lost! What do the stars see in common between these Acamdemy Award Winners?

So, the main reason I chose Jared & Jen out of the other contenders was because they share complex aspect patterns which was a huge factor. Jared, particularly, has an INSANE chart with more to cover than ONTD would ever read; and for the record, Queen Lupita was my main choice, but her complete chart is not available, and since she's going to be incredibly famous, I'm gonna wait it out and see if her time of birth surfaces.


Jared is the reason I hate when people write off Solar Capricorns. With his moon and rising in fiery Aries, the Sun in Capricorn is given a boost of ego, spontaneity, and of course, selfishness. Both Aries and Capricorn are cardinal signs, which are all about creating their own initiatives, so there is plenty of forward momentum and drive in his personality with the planet of expression (the sun), the planet of personal needs (the moon), and his rising, all in cardinal positions. However, his Sun in Capricorn and Moon in Aries are in a square. Squares create tension between two planets, because while they're both go-getters and want to create their own agendas, it's the topic in the agenda that is very different. The sun in earthy Capricorn wants to have a respectable image, wants to earn its place in society, and believes in fairness through rules and regulations that everyone has to follow. Aries is a self-centered sign; not in the sense that it doesn't have the capacity to love and appreciate others; but in the sense that it's very focused on the fulfillment of its own needs and doesn't really want to get boggled down trying to reach them. So the moon; which is in charge of our deepest personal needs, our instincts, our emotions, and keeps the memories of our soul safe; is very responsive in the sign of Aries, and wants to take action immediately, and is noted for overreacting and then immediately moving on to its next agenda. The Sun in Capricorn is good at keeping the moons impulse control issues under wraps- although, as with all aspects, it's not really a matter of what planet wins, as much as when it wins. Ultimately, this combo is one of the most productive squares a person can have once you find balance between the two planets, because both planets can force productivity out of the other one; the problem being most of the time that it leads to frustration if success is not gained quickly enough and success can be thwarted by obnoxious egomania.

Another quick note before I move on, is that, INTERESTINGLY enough, considering the role he won for, his moon is in his first house of self. The moon rules over all things feminine, from women to motherhood, to our experiences with our own mothers. So, to have the moon in his first house, where we keep all the things that define us, what we want, how we achieve it, and how we handle what we get; makes him very "in touch with his feminine side;" as well as very close to his own mother and probably has a strong history of growing up and being influenced by women. I haven't seen "Dallas Buyer’s Club" but from what I have heard about his performance, he really takes charge and enjoys showing his female side- and I think that's very reflective of his moon in Aries in the first house.

In his personal planets, we have Mercury in Sagittarius, which sextiles Venus in Aquarius, which sextiles Mars on the Pisces/Aries cusp (and therefore, sits trine to Mercury in Sagittarius). Mercury is our messenger- it is only concerned with information- where we get it, why we get it, how we interpret it, and how we give it to others and does not sit well in Sagittarius. Mercury is so busy trying to decipher all the little day-to-day things that are happening, it cannot see what Sagittarius wants it to see: The BIG Picture, and will get very self-important about its own thought processes and ideas and feels that every great thought should be revelation. However, worldly Sagittarius gives Mercury a kind of laissez-faire attitude that makes it very easy to communicate with all types of people from every spectrum of life and understand their lessons to understand oneself better.

And to everyone in the "ONTD Boyfriend Club," sorry to say that I don't see much of a Prince Charming here- Venus, the planet that runs our love life, from who we choose to love, to how we choose to love, and includes everyone from our romantic interests to our friends- and even which family members we prefer over others. With his Venus in Aquarius, the sign of friendship and humanitarianism, he definitely loves people- all people, Aquarius isn't discriminatory at all (unless you're just really fucking stupid), but, it's also not emotional at all. Often times, Aquarius loves of being part of a social group and having meaningful relationships but they fall flat when it comes to intimacy- it's a purely conceptual and visionary sign, so intimacy, which is a raw emotion and cannot be rationally thought out, really freaks Aquarius out, so clearly, Venus, who thrives on romance and love, has a hard time here. For men, you look at their Venus to see what type of women they're attracted to, and with Venus in Aquarius, he's looking for someone intellectual, low-key, who loves to "hang out," but no pressure to be something or someone else. As the matter of fact, the more one pushes expectations on Venus in Aquarius, the more it will rebel against conformity. What makes Venus even more elusive for romance in his chart is that it lands in his 11th house (the "ruling house" of Aquarius), which is the house that rules over not only our friendships, but our hopes, dreams, and wishes. The means that Venus main objective is to use its charm, grace, and style to find success with not only friends, but also because it's in Aquarius, it will seek out a certain unconventionality in friendships- and it's mostly likely that any long term lover will be someone who he has had a long term friendship with.

Mars, which rules over our motivation, our physical and sexual energy, and defends what we truly want as individuals, closes out his personal planets on the Pisces/Aries cusp in the 12th house of secrets, self-undoing, and karmic retribution. Mars seems to fall exactly on the Pisces/Aries cusp and is entirely uncomfortable there. Mars is the natural ruler of Aries, so I would feel that Mars will gravitate more towards that energy, but it still finds itself in between Pisces- the end of the cycle, and Aries- the beginning of the cycle. Pisces is a passive yet dark energy while Aries is an aggressive and motivated. It leaves Mars fighting for both itself from the Aries energy, but also seeking to bring healing and compassion to others lives from the Piscean energy. Sexually, this is also a very confusing energy- with Mars in Pisces, you can't be sure what you will get- as Pisces is symbolized by the two fish and is sometimes looked at as "good versus evil." Pisces is a passive energy that submits to its feelings, so it will either be a sinner or a saint depending on the situation and atmosphere. With Aries influence, it will definitely become a little more forceful, direct, and arrogant. The real key here is that it lands in his 12th house which shows us a few things; his truest ambitions are largely hidden, even from himself, and can very well lead to a personal downfall (Think Britney, she has this position also) because he will either be unable to speak up for what he wants, or rebel too much when not getting his way and ruin everything (without really seeing how it unraveled at his own hands).

Overall, I'd interpret him as someone who is deceivingly charming, keeping his selfish and driven ambitions tucked away under the cool exterior of the Sun in Capricorn, while letting his Venusian charm in the sign and house of friendship worm its way in and make valuable connections with a large variety of people, while Mercury in Sagittarius makes him sound enlightened and progressive. Ultimately, the Capricorn Sun will want to have solid grounding, secure allies, and a logical plan before it will allow the Arian ambitions to be seen by everyone else, which gives him a real "dark horse" feel. The best analogy I am having right now is to associate this with that pothead kid in high school you never saw do anything, and then on graduation day, they're valedictorian and you're just like "WHAT?! That guy?!"

J Law

It should surprise no one that J. Law is a Solar Leo; and yes, yes, while we typically joke that Leos are the zodiacs little attention whores, it's typically not the case. Leo is ruled by the sun, which, if you’ve been paying attention (which you’re not, lol), you know that the sun is solely concerned with expressing itself to the world. When it lands in it’s home sign of Leo, putting itself on display comes naturally- it’s really everyone else’s fault for being pulled into the cheerful and magnetic Lion energy, because I promise you, there isn’t a Leo in the world who feels like they go looking for attention as much as the attention comes to them. Her “try-hard, attention whore” persona is not helped by her Moon in Gemini or Rising in Aquarius- which are both social air signs. As the matter of fact; Leo, Gemini, and Aquarius are the most socially ept signs in the zodiac. Her moon is very uncomfortable in the jittery sign of Gemini though, because it’s sole purpose is to be the keep of our emotional side- and Gemini is not an emotional energy. Dramatic- sure, but mostly to put an emphasis on their conceptual point, not because they’re committed to the feelings. As the matter of fact, Moon in Gemini might be what you call “thinking feelers.” They feel the feeling their brain tells them they should for the circumstances they’re in, after all, Gemini is all about relating itself to it’s immediate environment, and as an air sign, it exists in the intellectual plane- therefore, it takes it’s surroundings and conceptualizes how it should feel without having to actually feel. This is great for Leo sun, because it is theatrical and loves the Moon in Gemini’s ability to materialize emotions without too much cause, but also the variety and range that Gemini can process at once. Many see this sign as “two-faced” but I often tell them that it’s actually “a face for every occasion.” As a mutable sign, Gemini is constantly adapting itself, and is never committed to one thing, so it’s not really trying to bring about any betrayals, it’s just really the one sign that can understand (not agree, but understand) any and all sides of most situations.

So now we have Leo, who wants to express itself socially as an individual, backed up by restless Gemini instincts that want to understand and fit-in with it’s environment, working with an Aquarius rising. This rising position is actually fairly common in the public eye because it’s the “collective social energy” that wants to be able to find a way to connect with all people (and connect those people together) while remaining and being appreciated for individuality (think of it in context: Of the “collective” signs- Capricorn wants to regulate everyone by making them follow the same rules & Pisces wants to unite everyone through shared emotions and experiences. In the middle of that is Aquarius who wants to unite everyone through understanding of individuality and trusting others to be personally accountable). Most people are attracted to Aquarius rising because they seem so relaxed and chill about everything, which is true, but often times, until you REALLY get to know an Aquarius rising, you don’t see how righteous they can be- while not offering up a lot of opinions (because they don’t want to isolate themselves from anyone), they still remain very set in their own principles and beliefs and can usually express them with such visionary intent and conviction for the community at large that you don’t realize how polarizing they can be… Aquarius is the sign of hopes and dreams, so there is a hopeful outlook to Aquarius rising that draws people in and through their Aquarian vision, people are inspired to believe more in their own ideals.

What really pulls her together is her planets in Earth signs. Mars in Taurus is a little frustrated because Mars wants to get up and go-go-go right now-now-now, but Taurus is a slow mover. Taurus wants to have it’s routine, wants to have its plan decided before taking action, and for good reason, because once Taurus sets out on its mission, it’s as hard to stop as it was to get going. Mercury also lands in its home sign of Virgo- as I said with Jared, Mercury is caught up in the details of day to day life, and in Virgo, it can really shine because Virgo is totally detail oriented and also very critical- so all the information Mercury receives gets picked apart with the fine tooth comb of Virgo’s analytical outlook. This helps to even out the effervescence of her sun/moon/rising combo, because Mercury in Virgo allows her to express herself and communicate with a sense of groundedness and logical understanding of what’s happening around her. Virgo, you’ll recall, is also the sign of productivity, so it really helps to direct all that restless Mercurian energy. And, it’s probably what directors seem to love about her, because, the more detail a Mercury in Virgo gets about how to do something, the harder they can nail it; mix that with a moon that can make you think you feel any emotion, a sun that that can express itself with shining glory, and a rising that calls society to it, and you basically have the recipe for this golden girl.

Venus in Leo which is conjunct Jupiter in her 6th house is also a huge helpful factor, but may also lead to a few problems. Venus loves Leo- it’s fun, it’s charming, it loves people, it’s creative and expressive- all the things that Venus wants in a home, and its sitting next to Jupiter who serves to heighten the Venusian charm and expand its thoughts and views to being even more gracious, more idealistic, and more truthful. The problem is, that neither planet is very objective, and this combo will be VERY trusting, believing of course, that those we care for MUST care for us back, and therefore have our best interests at heart- and will combine Jupiter’s blind faith, and Venus’ addiction to being adored and become far too trusting and will get taken advantage of. This lands in her 6th house of work and health, so while it gives her great fortune and congeniality, not only in her work, but also with those she works with, it also opens her up to trusting the wrong people and having them betray her (she’ll bounce back, don’t worry).

As far as love, with her sun in the 7th house of partnerships, she is a very devoted partner and finds the most happiness with others and in a relationship. However, she gets a little weird when we take her Venus and Mars into romantic consideration. Venus in Leo, undoubtedly, will need a lover who is absolutely devoted to them, wants to have fun, and doesn’t mind standing down to let her shine. Yet, Mars in Taurus gives off a much different sexual energy. Even though Taurus is seen as exerting a slow-and-steady physical energy, it’s sexual energy is very different because Taurus is a slave to sensual satisfaction (great food, beautiful surroundings, melodic sounds, soft to the touch fabrics and textures, and of course, amazing orgasms), so, it wants to take it’s time getting down to business, every touch should be an experience. Taurus is also a more traditional sign, so, even though she is really bubbly and extroverted, she will probably look for a man who is more of a strong, silent type who will satisfy her Leo planets by letting her shine, while also providing unwavering support and loyalty behind the scenes.

Source for celeb birth charts
For those of you interested in getting your own chart, I recommend this site.

If you're an intermediate/advanced student, this book about aspects is amazing. I highly recommend it
I love this book, and I recommend it to all beginners. Beware though: People will steal it/borrow it and not return it. I've had to buy it like 4 times because all the non-believers want to know but can't be bothered to spend $13.

I made this tumblr because in every post, people will ask questions, and instead of repeating the same thing over and over when I answer them, you will get a link from right here.

I wrote like, so much more about the T-Square, Grand Trine, and Kite aspects both of them have in their charts- but I took it out because it was getting way too crazy for non-obsessed to understand, and these posts are already tl;dr for 90% of us. If you're interested, I'll talk about it in the comments. Start praying that a talk show host asks Lupita what time she was born.
Tags: astrology, jared leto / 30stm, jennifer lawrence, ontd original

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