“The Golden Age of TV” x TV Wives: A depressing undercurrent of misogyny
Earlier this week, there was a recap posted on Grantland about the latest episode of The Walking Dead, which made some great overall points about the show and its underselling of their own characters, and also touched on a very disturbing trend happening with most of our currently critically beloved shows – the absolute hatred most fandoms seem to have for the wives in them:
(btw, I shouldn’t have to point out how SPOILERY this is, since, like I already mentioned, it’s a recap of the latest episode – but still, just for good measure: Spoilers ahead.)
(…) As befits a character always treated as second-class, T-Dog’s dismemberment was overshadowed by a much more outrageous death last night. And the fact that it’s taken me 900 words just to get to the part of the episode that everyone is talking about reveals my ambivalence. To recap: In an act of perfect TV karma, Lori goes into labor while on the run from a swarm of walkers. In the relative peace and lack of hygiene of a boiler room, she realizes “something is wrong” and insists that Maggie cut the baby out of her, likely ending her life. With a level of uterine gore not seen since Prometheus and a dash of Oedipal agony unimaginable even by Sophocles, this is precisely what happens.
Now, in the short view, there is a part of me that admires the unblinking savagery of Mazzara’s vision. As appalling as everything that happened in the boiler room was, it certainly was consistent with the miserable universe The Walking Dead has created, a place where tough choices are inevitable, pain is unavoidable, and life — particularly young life — is to be protected at any cost. All actresses, inevitably, are asked to perform an agonizing birth scene at least once in their careers, and Sarah Wayne Callies was excellent here. For once, her innate fierceness was used for something other than accusatory snark; in her wide-eyed and desperate good-bye to her son, there was a hint of the ferocious and protective warrior/mother the character could have become with better development and more thoughtful scripts.
As quick as I’ve been to label Lori Grimes one of the worst protagonists on television, the intensity of fan hatred has continually given me pause. There’s a depressing undercurrent of misogyny to a lot of the reaction toward TV wives these days, from Skyler White to Cat Stark. It’s something I’ve been guilty of harping on as much as anyone. But a large part of the blame rests in the writing, the perpetual creation of an impossible dynamic wherein the cool husband wants to do fun and/or violent stuff and the snippy wife is always trying to harsh his mellow. As a TV fan, I wasn’t unhappy to see Lori Grimes go. And the atrocity of it all brought out the best in the normally wooden Andrew Lincoln and certainly made the burden on young Chandler Riggs — who, thus far as an actor, has proven to be all hat and no cattle — even greater. But the exact way she went out was an even greater bummer than the irritating scold the character had become.
Lori’s final words to Carl, before sacrificing herself in front of his young eyes, sounded to me like an unnecessary apology, not a loving good-bye. “It’s so easy to do the wrong thing in this world,” she moaned. “If it feels wrong, don’t do it. If it feels easy, don’t do it.” What she was referring to, of course, was her utterly reasonable decision to bed down with Shane, a trusted and caring family friend, amid the looming horror of the end of the world. Her ongoing guilt and suffering for this is and has always been outrageous; surely a reality in which burying a machete into a man’s widow’s peak is a heroic act can forgive a little post-traumatic nookie. There’s a difference between the admirably unforgiving worldview Mazzara is trumpeting elsewhere and downright cruelty. There were plenty of reasons for Lori Grimes to die; it’s a shame that her capital offense turned out to be the simple act of being alive.
(btw, I shouldn’t have to point out how SPOILERY this is, since, like I already mentioned, it’s a recap of the latest episode – but still, just for good measure: Spoilers ahead.)
(…) As befits a character always treated as second-class, T-Dog’s dismemberment was overshadowed by a much more outrageous death last night. And the fact that it’s taken me 900 words just to get to the part of the episode that everyone is talking about reveals my ambivalence. To recap: In an act of perfect TV karma, Lori goes into labor while on the run from a swarm of walkers. In the relative peace and lack of hygiene of a boiler room, she realizes “something is wrong” and insists that Maggie cut the baby out of her, likely ending her life. With a level of uterine gore not seen since Prometheus and a dash of Oedipal agony unimaginable even by Sophocles, this is precisely what happens.
Now, in the short view, there is a part of me that admires the unblinking savagery of Mazzara’s vision. As appalling as everything that happened in the boiler room was, it certainly was consistent with the miserable universe The Walking Dead has created, a place where tough choices are inevitable, pain is unavoidable, and life — particularly young life — is to be protected at any cost. All actresses, inevitably, are asked to perform an agonizing birth scene at least once in their careers, and Sarah Wayne Callies was excellent here. For once, her innate fierceness was used for something other than accusatory snark; in her wide-eyed and desperate good-bye to her son, there was a hint of the ferocious and protective warrior/mother the character could have become with better development and more thoughtful scripts.
As quick as I’ve been to label Lori Grimes one of the worst protagonists on television, the intensity of fan hatred has continually given me pause. There’s a depressing undercurrent of misogyny to a lot of the reaction toward TV wives these days, from Skyler White to Cat Stark. It’s something I’ve been guilty of harping on as much as anyone. But a large part of the blame rests in the writing, the perpetual creation of an impossible dynamic wherein the cool husband wants to do fun and/or violent stuff and the snippy wife is always trying to harsh his mellow. As a TV fan, I wasn’t unhappy to see Lori Grimes go. And the atrocity of it all brought out the best in the normally wooden Andrew Lincoln and certainly made the burden on young Chandler Riggs — who, thus far as an actor, has proven to be all hat and no cattle — even greater. But the exact way she went out was an even greater bummer than the irritating scold the character had become.
Lori’s final words to Carl, before sacrificing herself in front of his young eyes, sounded to me like an unnecessary apology, not a loving good-bye. “It’s so easy to do the wrong thing in this world,” she moaned. “If it feels wrong, don’t do it. If it feels easy, don’t do it.” What she was referring to, of course, was her utterly reasonable decision to bed down with Shane, a trusted and caring family friend, amid the looming horror of the end of the world. Her ongoing guilt and suffering for this is and has always been outrageous; surely a reality in which burying a machete into a man’s widow’s peak is a heroic act can forgive a little post-traumatic nookie. There’s a difference between the admirably unforgiving worldview Mazzara is trumpeting elsewhere and downright cruelty. There were plenty of reasons for Lori Grimes to die; it’s a shame that her capital offense turned out to be the simple act of being alive.
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Cat is such a great character among all the bullshit in those books
She didn't owe him anything. If he developed issues bc of it, then it is what it is, but is not her fault. Also Jon had those inner mommy issues, and no matter what Cat would have done, nothing was going to replace Jon's need to know about his real mother.
I do think she was - if you look at it from how we see how relationships are supposed to work here - not in game of thrones land - i do think she was unfair to him. But that is looking at it in the eyes of 'modern' life here in 2012. The books are based on middle age life (not that that makes everything in them okay) and that is totally what would have happened.
But do I think she is to blame to everything bad that happened in his life? No. Do I think that makes her an evil character? No.
So she did what she could in the situation, and decided not to put up with the actual "mistake", Jon.
I don't think she was necessarily unfair towards him. I think she exclude him bc her society tells her that she can't let the bastard have the same place as her legitimate children and in that way she's protecting her own kids. Also is a way to say, I know he cheated on me, but to show that she's still respected by not allowing him to participate directly in the family. To her it was important to show, that he didn't matter.
She had to work with the conventions of her society, and she did. It doesn't make her a horrible person.
That said, she is one of my favorite characters, I can understand why she felt the way she did even if I don't agree with how she expressed those feelings, and her behavior toward Jon actually made me like her more -- I just thought it made her deliciously well-rounded and human to give her such an obvious and glaring flaw. I do love her a lot.
Do I think Cat should have directed her hate towards Ned, not Jon? Yes, totally. But I don't think she had a choice, in this medieval settings, she had no chance to complain and she had to put up with the husband (is not like she could divorce him) and with his mistakes, and forgive him, cause she had to live with him and learn to love him and give him children.
So she did what she could in the situation, and decided not to put up with the actual "mistake", Jon.
I don't think she was necessarily unfair towards him. I think she exclude him bc her society tells her that she can't let the bastard have the same place as her legitimate children and in that way she's protecting her own kids. Also is a way to say, I know he cheated on me, but to show that she's still respected by not allowing him to participate directly in the family. To her it was important to show, that he didn't matter.
That's the thing, it wasn't Jon' fault, and it wasn't Cat's fault. They dealt with the situation they were forced to suffer.
Is Ned's fault and he didn't deal with the situation, or even tried to make it better.
Ned gets a free pass and most of the fandom gives it to him. They blame Cat or make fun on Jon, but never really blame the guilty one.
Edited at 2012-11-08 01:10 am (UTC)
Which of course makes sense if you believe in R + L is J, in which case Ned couldn't just say, "Honey, I didn't cheat on you" and any exposition on Jon's origins would've only cast suspicion on him. He probably figured that being alive, if not treated as well as he could have, was the best he could offer Jon, and fighting Cat too hard on the matter would've cast too much attention on the boy that he probably did not want.
But of course, neither Cat nor Jon know any of this (if it is indeed true), so they deal with it as best as they can.
I still do think that she isn't entirely fair to him because she must obviously know that Jon never asked to be born and that it's really Ned's fault, but in her inability to express this to anyone else, she directs this at Jon, for all the reasons you mentioned. I still think she could've done this in a way that was less cruel -- her comment to him after Bran fell must have been extremely hurtful, doubly so since Jon never begrudged her trueborn children their status (which is something I respect him a lot for). As I said, though, the fact that she is not perfect, and the fact that I do not think it is a great thing to direct hate at an innocent child even if I intellectually understand why she does it, is a reason why I think that she is a great character.
Instead of hating her for her behavior, my reaction was more along the lines of, "Wow, that was cruel. It's awesome that Martin has a mother character who shows some aspects of the evil stepmother trope and is (in my opinion) mostly in the wrong in how she treats this specific character, and is still, on the whole, portrayed to be sympathetic, smart, and capable." I think it adds to her character, rather than taking away from it. Real people aren't always rational or entirely fair, either.
"her comment to him after Bran fell must have been extremely hurtful"
On the Cat-Jon matter, this is the one thing I can not forgive her for. I understand that she was in a very difficult painful situation, but I don't give her a pass on that moment.
"Jon never begrudged her trueborn children their status"
He did tho. Not directly, he never hated his siblings for having the trueborn status. But Jon's entire arc, specially in Storm of Swords is about how he doesn't have what his brothers or sisters would have had. I don't know how far have you read, so i don't want to spoil you. But the offering that was made to Jon and his decision about it, revolves around that.
Is not envy, but is desire to have what he by birth was denied.
I loved what you said in the last part of your comment, and I kinda agree to it, because mostly what i like about the characters is not the good things they have, but their flaws.
I like Cat, and I don't like Jon (before ASOS), but I've never tried to take away the bad things they did.
Cat was awful to Jon when Bran was in a coma, and I don't try to take guilt away from that.
Jon never did anything to deserve that, but that was just his luck, to be born there, and to live there.
Jon's a threat to her children's livelihood; in a more modern world something like that might not be that big a deal... but in their fantasy medieval world it's like, Jon could potentially inherit Winterfell etc.
Him inheriting Winterfell was a long shot to begin with because as far as I know, even legitimized bastards come behind their younger trueborn siblings in the succession line, so even a legitimized Jon would not have inherited before Rickon. At the beginning of GoT, this seems like a long shot. Of course, the irony of the whole thing is that it does become a legitimate possibility as the series goes on.