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Loki director confirms gender-fluidity of Tom Hiddleston's trickster god in the MCU

"I would say that details are marked in but it is something acknowledged," Kate Herron, the director of the Disney+ series told Insider. "He's gender fluid in the Norse mythology and the comics and it felt like an important thing to, as you say, make sure it's canon."

"I know how many people identify with Loki in particular and are eager for that representation, especially with this character," Michael Waldron, the head writer on Loki, said. "We worked really hard."

“Breadth and range of identity contained in the character has been emphasized and is something I was always aware of when I was first cast 10 years ago,” said Tom Hiddleston. “I know it was important to Kate Herron and Michael Waldron and to the whole team. And we were very aware, this is something we felt responsible for.”

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so this basically confirming the other loki in the show will be lady loki
yeah it's pretty obvious, the shot at the end of the ep + the bts photos where she's wearing the loki costume all point to that
The quick shot in the trailers of Loki and a short haired woman sitting together in a purple background would perfect sense with this context
Marvel continues with their empty words. i'll decide if it's good rep when i see it

the comics did an alright job but SHOW me don't tell me Loki is gender fluid smh

but also commented to say that i LOVE your icon. Cannot wait for s3 to see out blue/red king get out of another mess.
I wonder how they're going to bring it up. or are they not going to?? Is this another 'btw dumbledore is gay' thing? or are they gonna go like... "So! ...Loki, what's your gender" "Oh I'm gender fluid." (everyone in the audience claps and sobs) you know what I'm saying?! Like how do you write a situation where that even comes up. Maybe he'll be filling out a document and for gender he'll make a face and scribble it out-I'm just trying to think up like in what circumstances is gender actually brought up in real life. Internet sure all the time, in peoples bios no one ever likes to read-but irl?? Hmm that'll be a tricky one to add in smoothly.

I want to see in the actual movie though, that's for sure. No more adding it in without adding it in. or adding it in but at the sliver of the end like Adventure Time or Korra. I'm just waiting for something to be about it in the right way. You know?? Something that for once is realistic-a relatable portrayal. Then again maybe a super hero/villain movie isnt the right place for that anyway lul. -if I'm right about the filling out a document part though I want my check!!
Loki has been presented as a woman in the comics before.

sophia di martino is supposed to be in a major role in this show and she hasn't appeared yet. she's probably playing lady loki.
Giving what I've read in the comics in how it's handled, I assume the reason the Loki we see at the end of episode 1 is fully covered is it'll be a Big Reveal by episode 2 that Loki has a female form and it'll be explained if you were gender fluid and could take on any guise, why wouldn't you change your body the way I would change my hairstyle depending on the day?
I'd like to see it.gif
this better mean we're getting lady loki then. i saw the first episode last night, it was fun! i watched it with my sister whose a huge loki stan, it made the meta criticism of loki's arc in the mcu funner lol.
But Tom Hiddleston isn’t gender fluid, so could that potentially be a problem?
Loki being gender fluid is quite a bit different than what it means for real people being gender fluid, as he shape-shifts into a woman. idk I think it's an entirely different thing.
yeah, I almost kind of feel like genderfluid is a weird term for being able to manifest as two distinct physical forms. it’s pretty divorced from what the term generally means to people.


1 month ago

Normal people don't shapeshift at all, though. I'm sure there are some genderfluid people who would do it if they could lol
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Huge fan of that first episode. If he’s going to be chasing variants of himself across time, I’m hoping we get lady loki, kid loki, old loki, every loki tbh

Me too, it'll be a win-win for Loki's character growth and for cosplayers at cons alike
i think it confirms we're for sure getting lady loki, even though it was already very likely.

i do, however, feel like they might shoot themselves in the foot by using the term "genderfluid" in all this promo because i was under the impression that it's a very recent (?) label that reflects the identity of, well, humans. loki as a shapeshifter god who has no set sex/gender and can even shapeshift into snakes and horses in canon etc. is not exactly peak lgbtq+ representation, unless, of course, they work it into the story properly like they did in the comics.
That’s what I was thinking. Loki’s a shapeshifter/magical being. This sounds like Disney is looking for brownie points without actually portraying a genderfluid character as it’s understood in the modern sense.
I guess they could do some kind of identity exploration, considering it's very likely that lady loki is a separate variant, they might have a talk and he'd question why that other loki chooses to live as a woman and that could lead to some kind of epiphany...? i'm not sure, lol. but i'd keep my expectations low.


1 month ago

Yeah, you just explained it better.
I am curious as to whether this will be done in a way that can't just be dismissed as "Loki disguises himself as a woman".
he's not, he's just a shapeshifter

i wonder if Lady Loki will be played by Jaimie Alexander since Lady Loki was Loki using Sif's body.
I doubt it as Jamie's been filming Thor 4 with no mention of the show and in Agent of Asgard Loki switches into a woman the way someone would take a shirt on and off
It's still so weird to me how people focused on the "Loki in Sif's body" storyline for so long as "representation" when that was very clearly a rape metaphor.
Being a shapeshifter isn't the same as being genderfluid, but to be fair it's not like being a shapeshifter rules out that he's also genderfluid
also i think ppl should manage their expectations, i dont think loki is going to be doing any kind of modern coming out or w/e. loki is a god whose lived for close to two thousand years, in the myths he uses his gender or form to his advantage when he needs it or just on a whim. i don't think gender has ever meant much to him just as he tunes his personality to whatever the situation needs.
And that’s fine, that’s the character. But it now seems Disney wants all this good press and is raising wrong expectations
yes i really cannot stand this trend of big companies using real life identities and false progressiveness as promotional material. just how many "first gay characters" has Disney had by now? keeping loki correct to the source material that's been around for centuries isn't a click bait headline, its doing the bare minimum for the character.
Isn't Loki just like... generally fluid? I mean if you can turn into a horse, that's p fluid to me

I really enjoyed the first episode, clearly the people who're making this show are a great team, looking forward to the rest of the series! It was like a super high-budget, better-written episode of Doctor Who


June 10 2021, 15:14:26 UTC 1 month ago Edited:  June 10 2021, 15:15:59 UTC

It remains to be seen how exactly they handle it but it's confirmed there's going to be at least a few versions of Loki running around. Everyone's already predicting lady Loki is the main baddie. Idk if we're going to get Tom Hiddleston as variants of Loki necessarily explicitly portraying any kind of gender fluidity or different actors every time or whatever else. But yea, very curious to how it plays out
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