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Billie Eilish answers questions from famous fans, plus highlights from her British Vogue cover story


Yesterday, the world collectively caught a glimpse of another side of Billie Eilish (and gasped) when she was revealed as the June 2021 cover star of British Vogue, in a series of classic pin-up-inspired shots by Craig McDean.

Now, let's dig into some highlights from the accompanying story written by Laura Snapes:

• "[Eilish's] new look, plus a comeback single ['Your Power'] that confronts abusers who exploit underage girls, puts the onus on the viewer to consider their baggage. 'Don't make me not a role model because you're turned on by me,' she says."

• "More simplistic interpretations of Eilish's aesthetic saw her hailed as an icon of body positivity and a good example compared with female pop stars who wore less. She never claimed to stand for any of it. 'The more the Internet and the world care about somebody that's doing something they're not used to, they put it on such a high pedestal that then it's even worse.'"

"'Suddenly you're a hypocrite if you want to show your skin, and you're easy and you're a slut and you're a whore,' Eilish says. 'If I am, then I'm proud. Me and all the girls are hoes, and fuck it, y'know? Let's turn it around and be empowered in that. Showing your body and showing your skin–or not–should not take any respect away from you.

'I really think the bottom line is, men are very weak. I think it's just so easy for them to lose it. You expect a dude not to grab you if you're wearing that dress? Seriously, you're that weak? Come on! Go masturbate!'"

• "The subject [of 'Your Power'] is a composite. 'It's an open letter to people who take advantage–mostly men,' Eilish says carefully. 'I would like people to listen to me. And not just try to figure out who I'm talking about, because it's not about that. It's really not at all about one person.'"

• "Scrutiny has left her fluent in anticipating criticism: she predicts the objections to the combination of ['Your Power'] and Vogue's shoot. 'You're going to complain about being taken advantage of as a minor, but then you're going to show your boobs? Yes I am, motherfucker! I'm going to because there's no excuse.'"



The magazine also enlisted 23 of Eilish's famous fans (including Avril Lavigne, Orlando Bloom and Viola Davis) to submit video questions for the latest edition of their "Ask a Legend" series.



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i thought this was an interesting take: thoughts?
the response definitely would have been a LOT less extreme if she wasn’t so busty, that’s for sure. i think there still would have been some discourse abt her posing in lingerie though given what a sharp turn it is from her previous photoshoot style.

genbu_no_miko24

May 3 2021, 22:14:18 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 22:15:12 UTC

Busty girls do face more polarizing opinions cause boobs are one of the most sexualized features on a woman. The butt and face can’t even complete lol.

That said I think that even if Billie was a much smaller size she’d still get commentary because she’s young, and the tomboy to sexual image.

Look at all the commentary Millie Bobby Brown gets for her outfits/stylings. She not busty like Billie but people would be up in arms if she did a post like this.
Millie Bobby Brown is underage and Billie is not

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

spoil

May 3 2021, 22:15:48 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 22:20:45 UTC

I mean it is true to some extent. I also think it's because she became famous while underage so some people who are generally disgusting enjoy this concept of an underage girl becoming "legal".

But yeah in general women who have more curves get sexualized a lot more. I mean imagine if like a random tall thin actress or like Taylor Swift did this shoot, yeah people would say it was sexy or whatever but they're not seen as overtly sexual all the time because their bodies are less sexualized by societal standards.
I get where they're coming from and I'm sure there's some truth to it. But the "empowerment" aspect was a big angle brought up within the article itself. And I think that's part of why it's being debated so heavily. At least I think that's why for me- like.. is it empowering to have a 19 year old girl only wearing lingerie throughout a shoot that was photographed by a 54 year old man? Did she choose who worked on this project? It kinda falls into that old school photo trope of men shooting girls in lingerie with the male gaze, unavoidably and even sometimes unconsciously objectifying them. Esp since it's freakin vogue that has a well documented history of perpetuating this problem.

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

YEP YEP YEP YEP FUCKING BINGO

As someone who grew up skinny with big boobs in high school, this is the nail on the fucking head. I couldn't wear the same shirts other girls could without teachers side-eyeing me and snidely whispering for me to pull my shirt up because God forbid I have cleavage, I guess?

I couldn't wear the same dresses without someone being all "Va-va-voom" or "you dressed kinda slutty today, huh?" Fucking sundresses!

nigelwitthebrie

2 days ago

winter_lace

2 days ago

villanellesalt

2 days ago

“Male gaze” is one of those words that certainly has its important usage but people just love to run it in the ground

onadarknight

2 days ago

mayjailer

2 days ago

i agree. also something to consider about the shoot is that most of her skin is still covered up. curvy women should be allowed to wear lingerie like this without being it overtly sexual. i see so many skinny women wear bralettes as tops out and they aren't questioned about it at all, but if someone with billie's body type were to wear a bralette instead of a regular top, it would be crucified. it's so tiring existing as a woman lol

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

junhyosungs

2 days ago

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

Yet another lovely legacy from porn culture. /s
I have big boobs, it's a dumb take that's ignoring the main issue here: she's a teenager, as much as I want to believe this was her choice, you can't ignore that the sexualization of teens is a huge issue and there's a whole team of adults behind her.

Girls are preyed on even before they grow breasts. The first time a grown ass man hit on me I was 11.

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

gabzillaz

2 days ago

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

gabzillaz

2 days ago

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

v_is_for_violet

2 days ago

While I generally am skeptical of women feeling totally empowered by something like this/it not being a result of patriarchal pressures, IA with others she was mostly covered and that not only is it jarring because of her figure but because people are mostly used to seeing her in baggy clothes. She could've worn just like a tight dress and it would be shocking.

IDK, when I was her age I was a freshman in college and started wearing tight forever 21 dresses to frat parties. No it was not empowering lol but I mean, you're starting to figure yourself out. Obviously I didn't do this with the platform she has but still.
I literally was gonna say that!
People are like "She's showing off her boobs!" and maybe it's because I myself have big boobs (well, relatively for my body size) but... Huh? I don't find her amount of cleavage to be "indecent". You can't tell me that if she was smaller and showed the same amount of boobs, she'd get the same responses.
I will say that while she was in lingerie she was way more covered up than all of her peers in their normal performance outfits that nobody here ever takes issue with.

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

harrys_headband

2 days ago

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

nah, it’s not her breasts. it’s the fact that she’s 19 in lingerie. her breast size has nothing to do with it. usually it does, for “regular” women, but not celebs.
i agree but i also think it's because of the colours they went with, it makes it way more sexual than if she went with, say, all black.

in her case she'd have no escape from criticism or sexualisation regardless because the combo of her age + her body immediately attracts all the creepers.
I'm not shaming her at all, I think she should absolutely do whatever makes her feel good and she's a gorgeous human who is entitled to be photographed in any way she sees fit.
However.
It is a significant departure from her norm AND she just recently went on the defensive about people sexualizing her. I'm not saying people should sexualize her, or that they're entitled to because she did this photo shoot, just that this is an odd thing to do when you just went on record saying you hate it.
I'm curious if anyone else got Avril 2003-2004 vibes from this? When she went from "I'm not a HO! Why would I wear skirts or frilly pink things, I'm a punk rocker!!!" to wearing skirts with pink hair and doing that risque photo shoot. (Again, not hating on her; rock those skirts and show off, sis. Both of these women are absolutely gorgeous and I love it. I'm just saying it's surprising, is all)
She literally talks about it in the interview. There is a quote about that in this post.

fasdsr2

2 days ago

lilith20godrich

2 days ago

fasdsr2

2 days ago

lilith20godrich

2 days ago

I get what she is saying, and yes, it makes perfect sense. But I cannot deal with run-on sentences like this. Like, why!? 🤯
wow her lip injections are so empowered
she's always had full lips lol if you see childhood pictures of her she looks the same
her lips are blatantly stretched and stuffed. the top one curls over. a quick google comparison makes that more clear.

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

rihaty

2 days ago

Except not really, when those photos from her dance group or whatever came out (in which she was a teenager) it's pretty obvious she's had her lips done...
Really??? They look pretty natural to me. Just glossed.

kris_terror

May 3 2021, 22:58:46 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 23:01:10 UTC



She looks exactly the same as she did when she was a kid, you are reaching.
lol get a life

milkionnaire

May 4 2021, 21:11:21 UTC 1 day ago Edited:  May 4 2021, 21:22:41 UTC

I'm a fan of Billie but it's obvious from old photos she had her lips done, don't know why people are getting so mad at you





hazejournal

1 day ago

The last post has me wondering about people saying that her tomboy image was a calculated effort. I take with a grain of salt since I notice pop girls get this accusation more than the boys but we shall see.

Of course the alt pop girlie tend to do this but it’s usually after a few years. Her jump into this def a surprise idk if this overall will be her look~

Curious to see her sophomore era.
I don’t personally think it was calculated tbh It isn’t unthinkable that she’s probably just growing out of that part of her. Maybe a bit more than what most people are used too but I have a younger cousin about her age that’s starting to grow out of her tomboy ~phase so lol
I feel like I remember her saying she made it a point to not show her body so people would pay attention to her music/men are pervs and she was underage and didn't want them making comments? I'm probably making that up, but I swear I read it somewhere.
Yeah she did say that and also to avoid criticism of her body not fitting into whatever the current ideal is.
i remember her saying this too
She did, I'm fairly sure there was either a whole ass post or a discussion in a post about her regarding it.
calculated to an extent, from what was shown of her in her doc pre-fame she was a preppy dancer before she got famous but I also think some of it is just a teenager playing around with styling the way most teenagers do. There were 3 goth girls who ended up as preps by senior year and vice versa.
She’s 18. She can have a new ~lewk every month like every other teenager if she wants.

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

rihaty

May 3 2021, 22:35:49 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 22:36:43 UTC

She's so young I think people just read too much into it and are a bit harsh. I also don't see what's wrong with being calculated with your image when you're an artist? Trying to tie your look/aesthetics with the mood of your body of work... that makes sense?

I think she was always a bit of a tomboy, and she said she wanted people to focus on her music for her first album. and it's telling that even with that men were still obsessed with her body. men are gross.

This is when she was 16? When she was still not quite super famous. She was tomboy but still a bit girly.

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

i mean i do think all her styling is calculated, whether they decided to go tomboy or ~sexy. i think it's normal tbh, you can't be a celebrity and not take your image into account.
I've wondered this too because when Ocean Eyes came out she was very soft, indie girl BUT ALSO when I was 14, I was indie and made a hard pivot to goth at 15 so I think part of it is being a teen and part of it is being a teen with money and having access to chanel and balenciaga and stylists seeing her style get edgier and them sending her clothes that pushed her even further in that direction. I remember a vanity fair video interview where she was wearing some huge chain necklaces and giant spikes and said she was sent them as gifts.

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

blanchedavidian

2 days ago

'I really think the bottom line is, men are very weak

All things considered, it truly is that simple.


She is very pretty
Good for her. If she feels comfortable in her own body, more power to her
If Sophia Lillis put on a blonde wig, they could be twins, imo.
I’ve always seen Billie as a long Liam Gallagher child with a mix of Cara Delevinge.
She looks lots like cara indeed and I see Liam too lol

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

Lol there was a reddit post about how she's Cillian Murphy in a wig but I didn't see it tbh
were people really shocked by her photoshoot? it seems tame tbh. arent we in the age of teenagers striping on tiktok to songs about sucking dick.
I wouldn’t say shocked, but it’s mildly interesting since she wore such big baggy clothes for years
It’s probably because she had very baggy-tomboyish look as her image which made stand out significantly from the other pop girlies so this debut can be jarring for some.
I mean, I’d say that was the point of the photoshoot to stir up feelings and controversy. Some people are really going hard and taking it personally which is the point. It’s like when they were styling her they knew how to style her so that it is revealing but not too revealing. Tons of contents and clicks are to be made off of the one photoshoot.
Agreed
which is a hot mess on its own with all the pedos on tiktok
i always like reading what she has to say, she’s such a compelling pop culture figure. i’m excited to see how her aesthetic develops with the rollout of her next album, i’m rooting for her
People on all sides are just getting weird about her. Hope she’s happy and doing well for herself
her style change seemed inevitable- she literally kept the same dye job for an entire album cycle, it was clear her fashion sense was calculated too.

It’s weird to put a teenager up on some kind of authenticity pedestal anyways, teenagers are supposed to be figuring things out and changing. When I was 14 I wore bondage pants and band t’s, by my senior year it was dress pants and pink sweaters. I was never any less me, I was just a teenager. Like Billie is. It’s just silly lol

Oh, no, apparently the second you become a pop star people start analyzing your style over the years in high school to determine whether your current style is "authentic"

Like holy fuck did we go straight back to 2005 and calling people "posers"?
I literally just went from a 10-year phase of wearing jeans and t-shirts everyday to wearing dresses and skirts the past month and I'm 28. Style reinvention is not only for the young!

talklikelions

2 days ago

joe_pwnz_pete

2 days ago

pilotis

2 days ago

not just any dye job, her green roots had to be retouched every 1-2 weeks. That's dedication

yankeesarelove

2 days ago

saemcrh

May 3 2021, 22:20:36 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 22:23:43 UTC

The term “legend” is used so loosely.

ETA: ‘Sex positive feminism’ is bs, but I probably sounded just like her when I was her age because I gave in to it too.
I detested the free-spirited hippy nature of the sex-positive movement.


It's honestly done, and continues to do, so much damage.

genbu_no_miko24

2 days ago

I really feel like sex positive feminism is one of the worst things to happen to my generation. Fuck sex positive, fuck sex negative - how about we start being sex critical? Just critical thinking about sexuality and the weird prevailing myth that everything sexual is innate and exists in a vacuum because ~we're just animals~.

misato

2 days ago

talklikelions

May 3 2021, 22:21:08 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 3 2021, 22:21:19 UTC

I feel like saying men are weak is a u in danger gurl bc unfortunately as time goes on men just get...fucking worse, and you KNOW the incels are mad right now


That said, I support it. Misandrist queen!

i love that she said that especially with the amount of creepy men that follow her for the sole purpose of catching a glimpse of her body, its basically a fuck you to all of them
she doesn't give a fuck about men and i live for it
Her eyebrows look so harsh in the closeups.
Yeah uhhh this makeup artist did A LOT with those brows
“Comeback single” being misused is irritating me lol

She just won song of the year at the Grammys what is she coming back from 😂
k-pop eras are called comebacks so it didn't even phase me lol
I guess the kpop usage is catching up. it used to bother me but I got used to it. every new album is a comeback now

gimmemoarjosh

May 4 2021, 05:33:14 UTC 2 days ago Edited:  May 4 2021, 05:35:52 UTC

Blame K-Pop! They call every new single/album a "comeback" even if has been 14 fucking days.

Edit: Lmao at me saying the same damn thing. It still annoys me, albeit a lot less than it used to. Probably because in K-Pop, they are being very literal, so it is a language thing.
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