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YA author Emily Duncan gets called out on her racism, antisemitism and bullying of other authors



Emily Duncan, author of another one of those mediocre ~slavic~ fantasy series (feat. Reylo), has been getting rightfully dragged on twitter bc of her antisemitc books and her behind the scenes bullying of poc authors. Author Hafsah Faizal has confirmed that she was the one Emily Duncan was talking trash about, as mentioned by fellow author Rin Chupeco.



Emily Duncan's "Something Dark and Holy" series also contains it's fair share of antisemitic tropes (read the full twitter thread for more details). She has posted a non-apology on her twitter basically admitting that she knew what she was doing with the antisemitic tropes and that she "tried to handle this in a sensitive way" but "fell short".


While Emily Duncan's trying to convince us that she's learned the error of her ways, right after the accusations against her came to light she was on her burner account tweeting stuff like this:


Meanwhile author friends of Duncan's are also posting their own empty apologies for being bystanders and trying to distance themselves from this mess.

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“the villainous characters in the book, the vultures, are dark-eyed, dark-haired, vermin-like creatures who are part of a secret cabal that control the government of fantasy!poland. they practice literal blood magic and are led by a man named malachi.”

I was going to just write “lol” but this is actually too awful for a trite response. That is REALLY fucked up.
yeah it's disgusting. and she did her research so she knew exactly what she was doing
right, who published this???

squirrels_oh_no

April 7 2021, 16:32:23 UTC 1 month ago Edited:  April 7 2021, 18:15:56 UTC

Macmillan

And I'm gonna just post this here as an edit to say, in her apology, that she knew her books were antisemitic and she carried on anyway. And promoted a neo-nazi neopagan group as a great source of research info repeatedly.

"In terms of criticisms that an element of my book included an anti-Semitic plot, I did recognize the significance while researching and tried to handle this in a sensitive way, but I fell short. I am sorry for the harm this has caused."

neev

1 month ago

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

neev

1 month ago

pretend_to_care

1 month ago

kawaiiairbender

1 month ago

i knew nothing of this author until this post but holy shit, how much of a disgusting piece of shit do you have to be to write about ~fictional evil jews in ~fictional poland after all the pogroms that happened in german occupied poland?!! like, someone throw this woman a history book, preferably at her face.

dadeepish

1 month ago

it's absolutely horrible.
this place really used to shit on cassandra clare lol that gif of her sipping a starbucks haunts me.

i was shocked when i realised she was such a popular author now. weren't her original books draco/hermione fanfic?
She wrote (actually funny) diaries of the Lord of the Rings characters and then I believe she wrote some Ron/Ginny incest fic? But I’m not sure. I just know she ended plagiarizing other fanfics.
i think she plagiarised tv shows, films and other books as well. how she still has a career i'll never know

Man, I loved those Lord of the Rings diaries. Were those plagarized too?

anna_drenxavier

1 month ago

The Very Secret Diaries were the fucking best. I was so disappointed when I learned that it was the same Cassandra Clare.
ome Ron/Ginny incest fic

She took heavy inspiration from her Draco/Ginny and her ... Ron/Ginny *barf* fanfics to create blonde Jace and red head Clary who think for a time that they are full siblings but continue lusting after each other during that time...

spellmanian

1 month ago

grubbling

1 month ago

nebulousluna

1 month ago

Lol, if you look at the deleted tweets from this lady, she tells people to call out Cassandra Clare instead. Lol, don’t worry we do that too.

squirrels_oh_no

April 7 2021, 16:48:04 UTC 1 month ago Edited:  April 7 2021, 16:49:59 UTC

Eta i meant to reply thread below whoops.
what is it about the YA genre that attracts such terrible people? Like i know genres of all kinds get have terrible writers but YA seems to have an abundance who love to be loud, wrong, and aggressive.
I think it's just authors in general. The adult romance genre is filled with this kind of drama too.
some of these people are writing for teens because they never matured beyond their teenage mindset
Honestly all those female main characters that run on internalized misogyny, read like they are written by teenagers and not grown women, some people never grow out of high school..

fried_twinkie

1 month ago

arcee8

1 month ago

i was about to post the same comment, like ik authors in general tend to be awful but like i feel that i hear more about the bullshit ya authors are spewing and it's like what the fuck is going on.
I think a lot of writers are living through their books. Their characters are self inserts and doing things they wish they did.
“Literary” fiction authors are absolutely hideous people too, never fear. Their garbage isn’t paraded as often though for whatever reason.

flyfingers7

1 month ago

milfordacademy

1 month ago

dadeepish

1 month ago

crystalzelda

1 month ago

milfordacademy

1 month ago

vervain

1 month ago

anna_drenxavier

1 month ago

I'm probably just talking out of my ass here but it seems like a disproportionate amount of YA novelists get their start in NaNoWriMo, compared to other genres.
You only hear about YA people because they're the most terminally online

ahkna

1 month ago

vespertinev

1 month ago

YA World is an extremely online world where interaction with other authors, bloggers, fans, etc is a must to gain relevancy. Many of the same people i was friends with when i blogged or in the same circles, like Hafsah Faizal, are now authors. And it's a hypercompetitive market for authors, aspiring authors, bloggers, industry professionals... People form groups and cliques and talk trying to find a way to get ahead. There is so much toxicity but at the same time a place where people can share there love for books. And it's all centered around teen drama no matter the age of people involved.

You just see it more because the people involved talk a lot more than people in many other genres. Romance is the same way. I got out of blogging partly because the toxicity was starting to get to me. I don't want to write YA at all anymore. At all.

flyfingers7

1 month ago

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

emptyobsidian

1 month ago

The self insert
I read a lot of YA and I can tell alot of the writers basically write self insert fic (which can be fine)
But a few of them get crazy defensive over character who are teenegers (when they re full grown adult)
Thanks for posting this, I was considering reading her books because someone told me they're similar to Grishaverse.

LOL at her trying to say "but you wouldn't come for Cassie Clare like this!" girl, yes we would...
Hahaha, right? She’s clearly never seen our Cassie Clare posts. Whew, chile . . .
Mte Cassandra Clare has BEEN shat on, where has she been???
Leigh Bardugo is also on cancel lists because of how much she fucked up Slavic culture just like this book did.
I know her fantasy cultures are very reductive, but the only instance of racial insensitivity I’ve read in her books was when she had her ethnic pseudo-Russian main characters do a racist impersonation of the pseudo-Romani culture. I actually think the strangest part about her books is that there are no Jewish characters or a culture/religion like Judaism, when Leigh is Jewish.

I mean I know it must look dumb to Slavic language speakers to see all these wizards being called “Greg” but that’s silly compared to writing a Jewish-coded blood magic cabal.

jmfunnyface

1 month ago

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

jmfunnyface

1 month ago

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

spellmanian

1 month ago

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

purrple_267

1 month ago

juliette666

1 month ago

girl, we did
why is everyone doing vaguely russian folklore now

I'm not super in the loop of the book world but I feel like a lot of authors are trying to capitalize on the success of the Winternight trilogy. Perhaps there was Russian-ish folklore writing out there before but I feel like The Bear and the Nightingale got really popular and now other authors are like ah yes let's!!

I think the success of Leigh Bardugo's books had more of an effect, especially now that the Netflix series is coming out. Winternight is probably the better book series (never read it, but it's not hard to get better quality writing than Grishaverse, sorry) but it's very similar plot and setting-wise to Shadow and Bone.

YA editors and publishers are always just trying to recreate the hottest trend; it's rare now to get a truly innovative and original YA novel. It's obvious from the first Grishaverse books that they wanted some kind of Twilight/Hunger Games hybrid. Once Grishaverse took off on it's own, YA gatekeepers started demanding more work in the "non-Northern European fantasy analogue" realm.

howthedaysounds

1 month ago

I remember reading Deathless but ever since Bardugo's books I think it's picked up steam. some other user on here said (and I agree) that it's bc they think it's ~exotic~ enough but they won't get called out for appropriation

fried_twinkie

1 month ago

The Shadow and Bone trilogy was Russian-esque and did well, maybe they're copying that?
Maybe because it's the exotic east of the Kingdom of White People.

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

• readers got tired of the same old medieval european inspired fantasy and authors want their stories to feel different~
• stories inspired by real life history/folklore remains popular (see The Poppy War trilogy)
• white authors are smart enough to understand that they can't write stories inspired by non-white countries they have no ties to
• russian history/folklore has been largely untapped in popular fantasy books
• stories like The Witcher prove that eastern european/slavic stories can be popular

just to add to what everyone already said, deathless was huge on tumblr some years ago and it's bound to have inspired some of these authors. and naomi novik with uprooted won prizes and sold a lot of books, she has polish background though unlike a lot of these authors writing eastern european stuff now

sherrilina

1 month ago

Idk. I’m mad mermaid ya books never took off.

jennabee123

1 month ago

slaygalthessily

1 month ago

sereniti_ii

1 month ago

prlsb4swiine

1 month ago

Should have included "And known Taylor Swift stan", based on that burner account. That would have tied it all together.
Naomi Novik’s “Spinning Silver” is the beginning and end of this microgenre IMO. Also beautifully Jewish; great counterpoint to this crap.
unfortunately Naomi is one of the authors that was called out for racism

I don't remember how to embed tweets but here is one thread about it: https://twitter.com/LaurenMKalt/status/1379122287970951168?s=20
Withcindy did a great video on this IMO.

booksforlunch

1 month ago

spellmanian

1 month ago

booksforlunch

1 month ago

Oh, shit. That sucks to hear.

notoriousreign

April 7 2021, 15:46:26 UTC 1 month ago Edited:  April 7 2021, 15:49:41 UTC

Oh good, I only read like the first chapter of that and it just did not sell me at all. I won't continue reading. See this is why epubs can be valuable lol.

What is it with book recs on tiktok just being complete ass? How could you not notice that level of anti-semitism? It's all a bunch of 18-24-year-olds who just like it for the horny scenes that aren't even that great????

This is disgusting, wow.
Book recs on tiktok remain the worst tbh, all books they are obsessed about are at least 5+ years old and they continue to praise all these toxic relationships
i was reading how there were a lot of reviews from ppl saying that her book was super confusing and nothing made sense and she threw a fit saying that some fantasy authors hold your hand during a book and she wouldn't be one of them and that ppl were just too stupid to understand her work. and it's like if 50% of the reviews are saying this is confusing and sucks, it's not a them problem it's a you problem. i also hate authors who consider ppl idiots bc they don't "get" their work and it;s like no you're the idiot bc you aren't explaining yourself in a clear way, so clearly you're not a good author.
I’ve only read the first two and yes they are super confusing. She has two characters in the second book that felt like they were only there to explain wtf was going on and all they did was make it worse.
Yooo I HATE fantasy books that just plop you into a world and then do literally nothing to explain how anything works here. Ok, there's magic - is it magical realism, does everyone know about the magic, is it banned or is it open, are mages persecuted or are they prized, stuff like that that gives context?? I don't need you to give me a "here's what you missed on Glee" style recap in the intro, I get showing not telling but some authors take so much pride in being as mysterious as possible and it's like! I'm not intrigued! I'm fucking LOST!
I'm not intrigued! I'm fucking LOST!

lmfao, succinct and accurate!
this is hilarious... "oh my book is incomprehensible? that's on YOU" 🤣

criticism is hard to take but sometimes you need to open your eyes and suck it up, and you'll come out a better writer. then everyone wins.
Wow. Just wow. She knew what she was doing and it's vile.
"feat. Reylo"

Ohhhhh I hate the trend of blatantly reskinned fanfic going to print. I'm not digging on fanfiction in general, I still read it from time to time and have enjoyed some stories immensely, but nothing good has come from the kind that get published. The reskinned Harry/Draco one that got buzz that featured Draco's expy as a vampire was unfathomably bad.
is that the rainbow rowell one? it's so cringy omg

there's also another one by a reylo that popped up in my "readers also enjoyed" section on goodreads and as soon as I saw the cover I knew lmao. the author didn't even try to hide it
Its because they continue to publish the absolute worst fics.

Is that Carry On? That got hyped absolutely to death, but I could barely slog through it. (I liked Fangirl much better.)
I couldn’t even make it through fan girl
I liked Fangirl when I initially read it (though I remember feeling a bit weird since I kept my fanfiction writing way under lock and key from my RL friends), but Carry On was a nightmare. The small bits we got in Fangirl were more than enough, so why there had to be 500+ pages of it, I'll never know. I attempted to read it before giving up several hundred pages in.
Lmaooo I hate Carry On
I actually really liked Carry On (oop @ me) but yes it's very heavily Drarry fanfic.
Are so many YA authors horrible because a lot of people are horrible or is there something about the genre that just draws in the assholes?
Wondering the same thing. I think it's just people sucking, honestly. Maybe bc it's a smaller community egos get out of control really fast?
imagine recognizing that your book is implementing some of the worst antisemitic tropes and just plowing ahead because you're so up your own ass you feel like you can handle writing about blood libel sensitively
idk her but the fact that her burner account's pfp is taylor swift makes so much sense to me lmao
why are people so fucking stupid and determined to destroy their own careers because THEY MUST CYBERBULLY?? like? How do you fuck up the bag this much and this often to dunk on your peers! Get a fucking hobby!
And she was a NYT bestseller who otherwise probably would have had a successful career. She fucked herself big time.
Yup even though her book is a NYT best seller, she never became a big name nor her series is huge like Leigh Bardugo's Grishaverse or Sarah J. Maas' Throne of Glass. I don't see her recovering from this but who knows.

squirrels_oh_no

1 month ago

as a terminally online (on twitter) person, you see it SO MUCH from people who are otherwise successful and have a big following of fawning fans. I think it's because many of them cannot tolerate criticism of any sort no matter how insignificant the person saying it is. They legit cultivate an 'enemies list' of people to monitor with their alts, it's a sickness lmao
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