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French celebrities and Charlie Hebdo tweet against decapitation of professor



Samuel Paty was a professor who used Charlie Hebdo religious caricatures as examples of freedom of expression on his lectures, because of this, the history teacher received threats since showing the caricatures to pupils around 10 days ago.

The suspect of beheading the professor, an 18-year-old, was shot dead by police following the knife attack, outside a school in a Paris suburb on Friday evening. The teen posted a photo of the teacher's body on Twitter shortly before, claiming responsibility for the killing.

Authorities have arrested 9 suspects, investigated for possible links to Islamic extremism. The attack is believed to be terror related, motivated after Mr Paty discussed caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad with his class.

The parent of a student had filed a complaint against the teacher, and the teacher’s information started to appear online, prior to the threats and attack.

A national tribute will be paid to Mr Paty.



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religious fanaticism and deranged men are truly a toxic combination.

rip to samuel and much love to his family AND the minority communities who are endangered by this lunatic’s act of hate

Fucking psycho. This is why I no longer actively participating in religious activity anymore apart from appeasing my parent. Many of the followers have batshit insane mindset about the thing they follow and have lost the compassion and humanity for other human beings. You'd think religion will make people more compassionate? Nope. Most of the time it just makes them more judgmental and exclusionary towards those who do not belong in the inner circle.

But this? This is putrid EVIL. Any religion that encourages its followers to kill others who disagree with its teaching should not be allowed in any modern-day society.
Any religion that encourages its followers to kill others who disagree with its teaching should not be allowed in any modern-day society.

This reads as an Islamophobic dog whistle.
You can read it as that or you can read it as a call for Islam to reform as a religion. Many religions have reform and adapted to present day. We should not encourage killings in the name of religion.

If you can't acknowledge that some of the teachings that encourage killing as problematic then there's nothing left to talk about. We can't have people running around murdering others based on some texts that were written hundreds of years ago.

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trancexperiment

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wow..... their response really just confirmed what you suspected. their ignorance is so disgusting

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anais_vert

October 18 2020, 03:43:04 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 18 2020, 03:43:33 UTC

If you have a problem with that highlighted part you need to seriously evaluate your way of thinking - any interpretation of a religious text that encourages murder of people who don’t follow said religion or who speak against it is a huge massive fucking problem. It disgusts me that people would think otherwise

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i see the mods froze the comment thread below, but they need to ban you assuming they haven't already done so. i know you're most likely a troll who saw an opportunity to antagonize muslim users on ONTD and took it by the horns, but your comments to tracexperiment is nothing short of hateful vitriol, so obviously fueled by racism/islamaphobia, poorly disguised as secularism, and crystal clear in its intent to only do harm.

mods please ban this user. on top of everything else, they clearly violated a couple of community rules. to assume they won't jump at the chance to brandish their hate in an attempt to discomfit and distress muslim users on this site a second or third time around would be ignorant af.

i wish some of the users in this post who are doing the most to defend the dignity of this murder victim and dictate the proper expression of performative grief everyone else must evince to pass muster in their eyes had allotted some of that time and energy to defending fellow ONTD members from these verbal hate-filled attacks. the fact that y'all were so eager to publicly lay down the law for one and not the other is extremely telling. you're not fooling any of us who don't share your hate, even if you're happy enough to fool yourself.
How is it even possible to behead someone with a fucking knife? It truly takes someone beyond unhinged and coward since I'm sure he took the teacher by surprise. I wish his family and friends all the strength possible during this time, this is absolutely horrific.
It was a 12 inch blade - basically a sword. So disturbing.
holy fuck. I just hope it was over before the teacher was able to understand what was happening, this is awful.

cosmic_starz

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crystalzelda

October 18 2020, 03:38:36 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 18 2020, 03:47:27 UTC

Kinda glad I missed this post honestly, so I didn't have to see these "hot takes" in real time. Not sure how many other French Arabs there are on this site except for me, but a lot of these opinions... are really not fucking it. To do anything but unequivocally condemn this act in the strongest possible terms is to pander to our lowest common denominator, bar none. There is no explanation, justification or mitigating factors here. Showing taboo images in a freedom of expression class, that did everything to protect the Muslim students from having to be exposed in something that would be contradictory to their religion, is not worthy of a death sentence.

This does not help French Muslims and/or Arabs to try to hem and haw and imply that what this teacher did was terrible or highly offensive. It does nothing but to imply that we are exactly what racist stereotypes paint us to be: violent savages who cannot stand to be contradicted and will resort to extreme violence to settle scores and terrorize dissenters. We have enough to deal with with rising extremism, Islamophobia and racism that paints a target on every Muslim's back, especially those living in Europe. I'm really not here for this at all. I'm not religious, but my father was born and raised Muslim. Never in a million years would he find this justifiable in any way our spend any time grumbling about how this is all so very sad and if only this teacher had been more respectful of Islam this never would have happened... Come ON.
I'm not French, but I'm half Arab and Muslim with a lot of family in France so I'm familiar with the French Arab community over there, and I completely agree with you as does everyone in my family.

My family is originally from a Muslim majority country with strict blasphemy laws where people, especially those from minority religions, frequently go to jail for "insulting" Islam, aka expressing any opinion of Islam that isn't completely positive, and it's horrific. Even though there are many, many problems for religious minorities in the West, I'm so thankful that Western countries at least ostensibly have freedom of speech and religious minorities aren't regularly getting jailed like they do back home. Freedom of speech must be protected. So to see both other Muslims and our "allies" try to victim blame the teacher and in the process confirm the worst stereotypes of Islam is really disheartening.
Absolutely. The country my father was from has one of the worst freedom of the press index rating in the world. Freedom of speech and expression is IMO one, if not the, most important constitutional right a person can have along with freedom to vote, which tbh is a form of speech! We must be free to speak our minds without fear of persecution and violence. This act was barbaric and an insult to all of us, including and especially Muslim people all over the world who have fought for their right to be heard.

Colonialism and racism often hide “good faith discussions” of Islam from the truth of them being thinly veiled, dog whistling Islamophobia (case in point, some of the comments in this post...) so there is nuance in how we approach Islam in the Western world but what this teacher was trying to do, by all accounts, WAS NOT THIS. Even if it was, nothing justifies what happened to him.

trancexperiment

October 18 2020, 07:02:43 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 18 2020, 07:40:45 UTC

Some of you hate Muslims and it shows. Just say it instead of the dogwhistles and downvotes and indirect talking points. Just say you do.
Are you Muslim? Honestly asking. Do you follow any organised religion?

I like you, seriously I do, but I am just curious about those questions.
I do not. People don’t realize that even if I may not practice or even identify religiously with Islam, it’s always going to be tied to my identity in the way Islam is tied to my family or the country they come from, and how that irreverent fact is going to be tied to how people see and treat me in the west even if I’m not a “Muslim-Muslim” per se. My relationship with it is complicated but long story short, I am a secular person and don’t consider spirituality as an important factor in my life.

her_schism

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Wow, the toxicity of this post. Fucking hell.
Religion of peace ✌

As an aside, I don't think any organised religion is for peace. They can ALL GO!
yeah let's blame it on religion and insinuate that all muslims are inclined to be violent
Never insinuated that. At all. But I do think the religion is garbage. Along with the majority of the others. Hate them all equally.

Believe what you want but this story, is sadly, not the first time. And won't be the last.
This post is a disaster.

If you actually are victim blaming then you are part of the toxic culture that lets men like him commit murder in the name of blasphemy. If you're offended by that then change your fucking tact.

I hope you're also as vocal when people have been murdered due to blasphemy laws in Muslim nations. Probably not.

paceyringwald

October 18 2020, 12:21:46 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 18 2020, 13:21:30 UTC

Thanks a lot, killer. Thanks to you, people like me will be more criticized and ridiculed. Thanks a fuckin' lot.

Edit. After reading all the comments, what's wrong with you people? You can be a Muslim and still condemn that killer and feel sorry for the teacher and his family. Most of us live our lives peacefully then got criticized because of the fanatics. You're tolerant about so many things but when it comes to Muslims, hateful speech jumps out. I'm a Muslim woman who got upset over this because this killer was a fanatic who had nothing to with Islam. He could easily have gotten angry over nationalism and still killed the professor. And that wouldn't be okay either. Fuck all of you with few exceptions.
What's the term for trolls pretending to be something they're not to antagonize people over that something? I can't remember and google's coming up short

(also can't believe this post is still up)
I’m actually surprised and questioning the mods here. At best some of them should’ve shown up and frozen some threads or put out warnings.

I don’t think I’ve seen any in this post?
I haven't seen anything. Based on the comments that are still up, nothing's been removed and no one's been warned or banned. And there's straight up disinformation on top of everything else.

genbu_no_miko24

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I was told they were banned, thankfully.

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trancexperiment

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trancexperiment

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Concern trolls? Sockpuppets?

The first page is a mess, the rest of the pages are not better either.

mangomuch

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paceyringwald

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What a mess of a post , doing nothing less than condemn this is wrong but some of you all truly showed your colors regarding muslims .
horrible and disgusting. young men are truly terrifying and so violent.


i wonder how regularly french kids have to look at racist exaggerated drawings of muslims and arabs in grade school though. like france is so fucked and racist in a different level than the USA.

i just feel for muslims around the world
omg wtf I haven't heard about this outside of this post which makes me wonder about what kind of bubble I'm in
Am I tired of white people dehumanizing belittle and demean minorities under the guise of freedom of
speech and legitimate institutions? Yes! but what happened here is also awful.
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