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French celebrities and Charlie Hebdo tweet against decapitation of professor



Samuel Paty was a professor who used Charlie Hebdo religious caricatures as examples of freedom of expression on his lectures, because of this, the history teacher received threats since showing the caricatures to pupils around 10 days ago.

The suspect of beheading the professor, an 18-year-old, was shot dead by police following the knife attack, outside a school in a Paris suburb on Friday evening. The teen posted a photo of the teacher's body on Twitter shortly before, claiming responsibility for the killing.

Authorities have arrested 9 suspects, investigated for possible links to Islamic extremism. The attack is believed to be terror related, motivated after Mr Paty discussed caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad with his class.

The parent of a student had filed a complaint against the teacher, and the teacher’s information started to appear online, prior to the threats and attack.

A national tribute will be paid to Mr Paty.



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every single organised religion can go fuck itself
However, one pupil stayed behind by mistake, and later told her Muslim parents. They filed a complaint against the teacher and held a meeting with Mr Paty, the school principal and an official from the education authority.

Brahim Chnina, who said his daughter was in the class, branded Mr Paty a thug in a video posted on Twitter sometime in the last week, where he asked the community to complain about his behaviour.

The video sparked community outrage and was shared by a mosque in Pantin, a Parisian suburb. Days later, Mr Paty was stabbed and decapitated in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine 25 miles north west of Paris.


It's not worth the risk, a dozen people were killed over the cartoon.. I can't believe the professor still thought it was safe to discuss it. Rest in peace, but such a barbaric death, I can't imagine his last moments on earth.
Speaking of risk, how do you feel about women walking home from work late at night?
Hold on, I need to check with the terrorists first. Let me get back to you.
Yeah I’m sure that you, a misogynistic and transphobic cis man, genuinely care about women and what we go through walking alone at night.

surfermedley

3 days ago

He shouldn’t even have to consider the risk teaching a freedom of speech class omg
o_o
"not safe to discuss it"? I mean, he taught a class on freedom of expression, it would have been negligent not to address it. Whether he needed to show the pictures is another matter, but I would say he was very respectful about it by clearly informing his class and letting everyone leave who didn't want to see the pictures.
How did she stay behind mistake? Did the professor force her to stay? Was she not allowed to leave?

The murderer wasn't even a student but he heard probably a second, third hand, or even fourth hand account about what happened and saw the video that one students father made. The video was shared by a mosque? Why would they even do that?

I cannot believe the number of people who are trying to excuse this. Or acting as if it's the professors fault for believing it was "safe" to discuss some caricatures.
Religion is a cancerous cult. Imagine how much society could've progressed without it.
I guess it was supposed to be our cure for existential terror/nihilism but for too many it's just another thing to kill over.
like literally. you can actually pick out chunks of history when religion slowed progress or halted it altogether. and i'm actually terrified that we're approaching another time like that now.
Yup. So MANY people really think we're living in end times and that Jesus is coming.

slaygalthessily

3 days ago

aotearoagal

3 days ago

it would be nice if humans got over their need for a big sky daddy
From when I was young Catholic, I saw what religions do to my immediate family/friends.

I had an uncle who told me that I'm not good enough Christian because Catholics only go to church once a week as opposed to Christians (to which I secretly rolled my eyes and thought what an arrogant show off he was)

I knew some friends who basically believe that anyone who wasn't born Christian will go to Hell and when I asked them "How about people in remote area that didn't have access to Christianity?" they went "It's unfortunate for them".

From then on, I realised how exclusionary and judgmental many religious followers really are and become disenchanted with it. It wouldn't be a problem if they didn't try to make others do things their way but they always do. They tell women what to do with their body, they tell LGBT people that they should be prosecuted, and they harass, hurt, and kill people when they feel their religion is slighted.

This should not be allowed in civilised, modern-day society.
Society really isn’t going to advance without putting critical thinking and science and history ahead of any doctrine.

For all those who have that coexist with their faith (yo) there are far too many who don’t and will punish others for not believing as they do. And that’s a huge global, multi/religion problem for humanity.

Condolences to this man’s family and I hope that wherever he’s at, his horrific last moments have been completely wiped from his being.
This is such a tragedy. It's... wow. So fucked up.
Rip, so fkn tired of Religious fanaticism
That is insane
I can’t with half of this post victim blaming and being more concerned about the feelings of a huge organized religion over the fact a dude literally lost his head in 2020.

The reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach

What’s next? Are we gonna start blaming altar boys since it’s really not worth the risk of getting potentially sexually abused?
The comments are really disturbing.
They're not concerned with the feelings of a massive organized religion, they're concerned for the people who will be punished for this horrific act despite having nothing to do with it. In the US/Europe/Etc Muslims are forced to collectively pay for the crimes of individuals in a way that Christians generally are not.
I’m not disagreeing with that and so far I haven’t seen anyone disagree with that.

What most people find ridiculous tho is that more people here are offended over a caricature than a man being murdered. This is what I was referring to when bringing up organized religion.
Islamophobia is prevalent everywhere and it is terrifying to be a Muslim and crimes like these make it even worse for the Muslim community.

violue

3 days ago

bangorilla

3 days ago

fernandocolunga

1 day ago

THANK YOU
But absolutely no one here is justifying violent acts against Muslims or any sort of retaliation, yet accusations of racism and Islamophobia have still cropped up against posters.

trancexperiment

3 days ago

fernandocolunga

3 days ago

trancexperiment

3 days ago

kinkiestofboots

2 days ago

slaughtermatic

3 days ago

kinkiestofboots

2 days ago

The fact that this had to stated and explained is an underlying problem.

hisjulliet

3 days ago

this feels like people are having at least two different conversations. who here is saying islamophobia isn't more of a problem than... negative feelings towards christianity? i don't think anyone is, as far as i've seen. but some people are literally saying "well, if he hadn't shown the cartoon..." and using that excuse against any terrorist act done in the name of religion (or at all because it's a CARTOON) is serious bullshit.

shepherds

October 17 2020, 22:50:07 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 17 2020, 22:50:40 UTC

Where you at to complain about secularism and white supremacy when Muslims are killed while praying in mosques by white terrorists? When hospitals and schools are shelled by UK-manufactured missiles? When children are killed by drones and written off as enemy combatants by the US and EU countries? When the media collectively ignores all of that?

Most of us aren’t saying what happened is even remotely okay. What happened is abhorrent and unforgivable. We’re still worried because our families lives are at stake- whether they’re in the home country being droned or whether they’re in the west being hate-crimed.

fernandocolunga

3 days ago

shepherds

3 days ago

fernandocolunga

3 days ago

shepherds

3 days ago

fernandocolunga

1 day ago

trancexperiment

3 days ago

paceyringwald

3 days ago

fernandocolunga

1 day ago

paceyringwald

1 day ago

i feel so sick reading this. terrible.
Rest In Peace. Such a horrific way to die.

This is likely going to fuel Islamophobia in France even more. I hope there's no retaliation.
this poor man

wistfulwisp

October 17 2020, 23:25:40 UTC 3 days ago Edited:  October 17 2020, 23:29:14 UTC

He was an university professor teaching a class on freedom of expression?

He received death threats and ultimately was murdered, yet people say he made a poor choice to use those political cartoons?

This wasn't a class on religion, but freedom of expression. Not being in the class, not seeing how he taught it, there's nothing to suggest he was being hateful. The class he was teaching gives us the context for the political cartoons being shown. (If I'm wrong, please inform me. I'm unwilling to search for more information because I do not want to see images of his dead body or decapitated head.)

Unfortunately, if you take a class on a particular subject, you run the risk of seeing images or texts that may trigger anxiety, discomfort, or worse for you. By giving his students a chance to leave, it is similar to a trigger warning, imo. Should he have left the material out instead? But How do you teach a freedom of expression class by censoring your teaching material to only non-offensive material?

ETA: I feel bad for this man, his students, and the Muslim community in France. People will use this as an excuse for their hate. This world is sick.

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wistfulwisp

3 days ago

No he was a middle school teacher. Middle school in France is called "collège"... Not to be confused with the US term "college".

wistfulwisp

3 days ago

piratesswoop

3 days ago

Thank you for your comment tbh. Mostly anything else is trash fire on this post.

"But How do you teach a freedom of expression class by censoring your teaching material to only non-offensive material?" And you can't. That's why it was the teacher's right (and responsibility) to not censor themselves.
Has there been any information on the class and classmates that stayed in the class. Were they targeted or harassed.
No information but apparently one of the students who said they mistakenly stayed in the class lied because on that day she was absent. Yet her father filed a complaint against the teacher and is now accused of putting a target on him because he made a viral video on Facebook talking about this professor, dropping his name and accusing him of showing a naked man to underaged students. The teacher sued him for libel. The police believes this is through this video that the killer learned about the teacher since he wasn't from the city.
Ohhhhhhh boy. I would not want to be that student (or her family) right now :( Middle school kids do dumb thing, I have no doubt this spiraled way beyond what she could imagine might happen. Damn.

lilith20godrich

3 days ago

That's absolutely insane. Thank you for taking the time to share that.
I hope that students father feels like a real piece of shit, but sadly I’m guessing he probably feels smug instead:

parachuteending

3 days ago

syvlie0o0

3 days ago

Apologies for being dumb but genuine question, what is this caricature they're on about? Someone has drawn the prophet but like those drawings you get on the street where you've got exaggerated features?
If I'm not mistaken, you can see the cartoon in one of the tweets above
The one with the pink background with someone crying?

I thought because it was with the candles it was some sort of tribute someone had drawn.

vulcan_rhapsody

3 days ago

it's the one on the tweet, but charlie hebdo as a whole is basically run on crass caricatures, that one isn't an isolated case - they make caricatures of everyone and their mom. personally i don't like them and they're really not that great, but still... not enough for this nonsense to happen.

vulcan_rhapsody

3 days ago

trancexperiment

3 days ago

okrodrigo

3 days ago

bangorilla

3 days ago

Rip to th teacher. What a barbaric act.
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