10:32 pm - 07/07/2014

Salem 1X13 (finale) Promo


Anyone want to discuss 1X12 or post predictions for the finale?
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 07:41 pm (UTC)
I'm ok with John's backstory, but I kinda wish they hadn't 'justified' it by having those soldiers kill the innocent Indians, I wanted him to go crazy and Stockholm Syndrome, but I guess this is more in character for him. I need the show's definition for 'innocent' for this Grand Rite- those four girls tore a man apart and helped Mercy put that spider in George's mouth, yes they're not witches technically, but they're not exactly 'innocent'. And John is technically getting hanged for a crime he did commit- treason and murder, but I get that he's a 'sacrifice' for Mary. Also I love 'social activist' Mercy, I hope she gives Mary a run for her money.

So, any predictions for the finale? Will they complete the Grand Rite? Will John die? Will he run off like the real John Alden did? How will John react to Mary being a witch? Will Tituba even appear in this episode? Is Mary going to kill Increase? And finally, what the hell is Anne? She doesn't look like the regular witches, with her orange eyes and forked tongue (and she looks really scary in the promo) is she a demon?

Edited at 2014-07-07 07:53 pm (UTC)
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 09:25 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing 'innocent' means accused wrongly of being (true) witches? Else, the coven would have just burn down random houses as 'accidents' to collect sacrifices.

Grand Rite would be fouled by Cotton, Mary or Mercy is my first guess. The second theory is it will go through and they will spend the second season trying to stop it. Increase will die but by whose hands, idk. Maybe Alden in defense of Mary?

Anne turned witch after being aroused. Pity on whomever her future lovers are. Like praying mantis, maybe she bites their heads off. Lol, either head.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 09:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I guess their definition of innocent is 'accused and killed for being a witch, but isn't one', but that's just this Grand Rite- the one that Increase stopped they took and I assume sacrificed children. Maybe every Grand Rite is different? I dunno.

I would love Cotton to be the one to stop the Grand Rite, but I think that's giving him too much credit at this point. Mary or Mercy would be my guess, but I kinda want it to go through (with someone other than John dying... I could see Isaac dying, if they need Mary to make a 'sacrifice' and he'd be an innocent alright) and then to have John and Cotton (and Increase, if he somehow survives) to try and stop it from being completed/stop everyone from dying in a nasty plague. I think if Increase dies it'll be Mary's doing, just because of the promo, even if it could be deceiving.

Anne is so much more interesting now, but was she born a witch, i.e genetics or did her father sell her soul before she was born? And she seems different than the other witches we've seen, with her orange eyes and forked tongue and the way she looks in the promo. LOL, if her getting aroused turns her 'witch switch', then I'd hope Cotton and John both stay away from her.
xoxlizzi3xox 7th-Jul-2014 07:47 pm (UTC)
can someone summarize what has happened in the last 12 episodes….? do they find out who are the real witches?
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 07:51 pm (UTC)
Wait, did you see any of the show? I'm not sure what kind of summary you're looking for, do you know the characters?

shad0wdr3am3r 7th-Jul-2014 07:56 pm (UTC)
S2g this is me watching Salem every week.

59 mins later...

ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 08:08 pm (UTC)

With me it's more-

Beginning of the episode:


jinny 7th-Jul-2014 09:30 pm (UTC)
This is ky reaction too lol.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 09:53 pm (UTC)
leperheart 7th-Jul-2014 08:02 pm (UTC)
As long as this ends with Mercy killing the shit out of Increase I am good
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 08:10 pm (UTC)
You think Mercy will be the one to kill Increase? I'm pretty sure if anyone's killing him, it'll be Mary (Mercy already failed once and we see Mary attacking him in the promo)

I love Increase, I think he's a great bastard who added a lot to the second half of the season, but I don't mind him dying in the finale, as long as he goes out like a boss.
leperheart 7th-Jul-2014 11:06 pm (UTC)
I just want Mercy to be the new HBIC
ivy_b 8th-Jul-2014 09:11 am (UTC)
Got it, I personally don't, I like Mercy as the thorn in everyone's side and an unpredictable element, I don't mind her being a HBIC, just as long as she's not the HBIC.
damndavestfu 7th-Jul-2014 09:06 pm (UTC)
what is wgn america tho? is that the same channel harry caray was on rip
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 09:13 pm (UTC)
I'm glad there were traces that the writers had the season planned out. They brought up Alden's past actions like the apple-keeping and his words, against him. He's growing on me. Couldn't stand him in the beginning of the season.

Mary had so many chances to leave and chose that time to escape? Dumb ass. Boy, she's gonna regret turning her back on Mercy and the girls. So the girls were not real witches per say? They had to be 'innocent' after all, to be sacrificed. Four down, Alden to go.

And where did she suddenly find a curling iron?
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 09:52 pm (UTC)
I know right? Sometimes I'd wonder about loose plot threads and then a few episodes later they'd get addressed (like one of Mercy's girls' drunk father being sent to jail for being a witch and a few episodes later getting released by Increase) and I loved how during the trial you could really see the web the writers wove, how all these actions and words of Alden are coming back to bite him. It's a sign of good writing and plotting. I like John, when he's not around Mary, especially I like his friendship with Cotton and their mutual snark (RIP their friendship?)

I think whatever power those girls used, they drew from Mercy, they didn't 'lie with the devil', so they weren't witches per say, at least that's my understanding. And in Mary's defense, she only wanted to leave once John's life was in peril, she had a few times earlier where she said 'he won't let me [leave]', so I don't think you cross the devil lightly or expect to be able to abandon your duties and just run away.

And she's a witch and has magic, she don't need no stinking curling iron!
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 11:46 pm (UTC)
I don't think she ever said anyone or anything was stopping her from leaving. I had been specifically waiting for a reason/explanation other than the Grand Rite. In fact, some of the elders wanted to get rid of her initially because of Alden's return. That tells me they could do without her. She was the one who insisted that they wouldn't have gotten that far without her, and that she's indispensable.
ivy_b 8th-Jul-2014 09:08 am (UTC)
I don't even remember which episode it was to go back, but I do remember her saying 'he won't let me' and John of course thinking she means George Sibley. She also felt like she's come too far and sacrificed too much to just abandon her plan now. I don't think the Elders wanted to get rid of Mary, since they claim to have raised and prepared her for this moment, it's Rose and Hale that would be ok with doing it without Mary, those old women just want to be able to control Mary better. I think there's something about Mary (ha) that is special that not all the coven/whatever they're called knows about, there's a reason she's the one in charge, at least I think so. We'll see in the finale, maybe I'm remembering some things wrong and a rewatch will be in order when the season is over.
ishi_chan 7th-Jul-2014 09:13 pm (UTC)
I don't like that Anne seems like something's possessing her?

that's really all I have to say

except I miss Tituba
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 09:29 pm (UTC)
I think its always been inside of her. I guess she would have to willingly accept her 'destiny' to become a true witch.

Tituba will appear out of nowhere to save Mary, would be my guess.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 09:44 pm (UTC)
I really hope Tituba will be back for the finale, maybe she can stop Mercy from whatever she's planning against her mistress? And I don't think something is possessing Anne, I think whatever she is/her witch side got awakened when she was sexually arouses. At least that was my take on it.
ishi_chan 7th-Jul-2014 09:52 pm (UTC)
IA that this seems to be how her witchcraft manifests, I guess I'm just disappointed it seems like a thing that is actually alive within her, something that seems beyond her own control and choices? IDK, it could easily turn very plot device-y.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 10:02 pm (UTC)
I feel like eventually it'll have to be a choice, I don't think you can sell someone else's soul without their consent, but maybe after her trip to the woods and that voice telling her it's been waiting for her, she's in the seduction phase right now? Unless she's different because she was born a witch- maybe she's got both darkness and light inside of her and it'll be a battle to see which side wins? Either way, I'm hoping there's a choice there as well.
jinny 7th-Jul-2014 09:29 pm (UTC)
I just found this show. Omw. Its sf good. Im addicted. I hope there will be a season 2.
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 09:30 pm (UTC)
It was renewed right after its season premiere.
jinny 7th-Jul-2014 09:32 pm (UTC)
Oh, thank god. Yay. Very excited to see more then.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 09:42 pm (UTC)
Welcome aboard! Glad to have you with us! Good news- the show has already been renewed for S2.
eightball 7th-Jul-2014 10:06 pm (UTC)
this show had a good premise but the characters, slow pace, and lack of violence bored me too much to keep watching
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 10:30 pm (UTC)
OK then, the show's not for everyone, personally I'm ok with the level of violence on the show and the fact that after the first few episodes, the show moved away from gore for shock value and started developing the characters more. And I appreciated that they hinted at Tituba's torture rather than give us torture-porn.
applesnpairs 7th-Jul-2014 10:20 pm (UTC)
Regarding Anne, I don't fully understand the demon qualities her powers take on when she's aroused, but I do have a theory that she end up using her powers for good. She's always been compassionate and finding out she inherited the witch gene isn't going to change that, but we'll see.

Also I don't understand how Mercy's friends were considered innocents when they had a lot of fun stabbing one of their fathers to death?

Anyway I really enjoy this show and I'm ready for a crazy fucking finale.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 10:36 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping they explain Anne's situation more clearly, her father is back next episode, so hopefully he can shed some light on it and they don't just leave it for S2. Personally I'd like her to be eternally tempted/seduced by the dark side, but to try and always use her powers for good. If that's even a possibility, so far we've only met witches who are evil/sold their soul to Satan, so we don't even know if there is such a thing as a 'good' or 'neutral' witch.

The way Kwerkee and I figure it, is that 'innocent' is a very loose definition of 'accused and killed for being a witch, but isn't one', so even though the girls helped Mercy put the spider in George and tore a man limb from limb, they're technically not witches, so in the eyes of the Grand Rite, they're innocent.

I can't wait for the finale, I hope it's crazy as hell and leaves me cursing and counting the months till S2.
ivy_b 7th-Jul-2014 10:31 pm (UTC)
Also, is it just me, or did we never find out why Increase cut his arm and gave the cloth with his blood to that lackey with 'you know what to do' instructions?
kwerkee 7th-Jul-2014 11:42 pm (UTC)
O yea, forgot about that. Maybe it'll come into play in the finale. I have confidence in the writers now not to forget anything.
ivy_b 8th-Jul-2014 09:10 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure the writers will address it, I was just expecting it to come into play in episode 12 and when it didn't happen, I got confused and wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. I have a good deal of confidence in the writers, I just wonder what Increase would send someone to do with a cloth of blood...
kirby_b 8th-Jul-2014 09:47 am (UTC)
is this show good?

i only hear about it on ontd lol what is it similar too?
ivy_b 8th-Jul-2014 01:56 pm (UTC)
I suck at comparisons, maybe someone else could help you in that regard. If you would have asked me a few weeks ago if I'd recommend it, I'd probably say 'eh, kind of?', but the show has really gotten good the last few weeks. The first few episodes were a bit predictable and focused on gore for shock/horror factor, but from episode 4/5 they started focusing more on character development and then two plot points happened that really elevated the show and made it really enjoyable, one of them being the arrival of Increase Mather.

There is a love story that can be annoying and does the characters no favors and a semi-love triangle that isn't really a love-triangle so far, but even characters that aren't my favorite are growing on me, I like how they've developed or revealed the backstory on all the characters. I do think that there are times they don't quite know what to do with all of their characters, so sometimes characters are missing for episodes or you have someone throwing himself a drunken pity party for 2-3 episodes and another spending a whole episode fixing up an orphanage. They don't really explain the whole magic or witch business, but I think they will eventually.

I really like how in episode 12 they connected a lot of stuff that happened earlier and plot points, it shows that they've plotted out the season and didn't just leave loose plot threads.

Sorry for the tl;dr, I tend to want to give a more well rounded recommendation rather than just "yes, OMG it's the best!" or "No, it's terrible". First seasons can be a bit uneven, but I do think this show started getting really good and interesting around the halfway point.
kirby_b 8th-Jul-2014 03:45 pm (UTC)
ty!! i think i'll give it a shot!
ivy_b 8th-Jul-2014 04:08 pm (UTC)
Cool! Let me know what you think. :)
prophecypro 12th-Jul-2014 11:25 pm (UTC)
Looking to marathon this over the weekend
ivy_b 13th-Jul-2014 09:06 am (UTC)
Let me know what you think if you do!
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