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Carrie Brownstein's Life After Punk

Before 'Portlandia,' Carrie Brownstein led one of rock's most radical bands. But the loud, fast life never quite suited her



"I'm just going to try a bunch of shit on," Carrie Brownstein says. On an icy February afternoon in Manhattan, the co-star of IFC's sketch-comedy series Portlandia has just ducked into a brightly lit Opening Ceremony boutique in search of an outfit for a New York Fashion Week event that night. "I like to go to other cities because I can dress up," she says, eyeing a stylish black blazer with blue and white checks. "I live in a city where fleece is considered an appropriate fabric for any event."

Jokes like this have made Portlandia, which co-stars Saturday Night Live alum Fred Armisen and returned for a fourth season in February, into one of basic cable's biggest hits. Last season, 3.7 million total viewers tuned in to see Brownstein and Armisen make fun of her crunchy, quirky Oregon­ian neighbors. "I almost feel like Portland closets are this magical cupboard where you put in a normal piece of clothing and you open it later and it's turned into outdoor wear," she continues as she appraises a Nehru jacket. "If I put on high heels or a dress there – if I look better than when I got out of bed – it feels conspicuous."

Brownstein, 39, is casually cool this afternoon in black skinny jeans, a gray sweatshirt and thick-rimmed glasses. A lightning-quick talker, with a warm conversational tone that veers into sarcasm a few seconds before you realize it, she sounds like she was born to be a comedian. Just a few years ago, though, no one thought that's what she'd end up being most famous for. For more than a decade, from the mid-Nineties to the mid-2000s, Brownstein was one of two singer-guitarists in the influential feminist punk trio Sleater-Kinney – the single most important act to emerge from the Pacific Northwest after grunge's peak, and beloved cult heroines for a generation of indie-rock rebels and riot grrrls. "Sleater-Kinney are iconic," says Girls creator Lena Dunham. "They were my first-ever unchaperoned concert. I pushed my way to the front and was elbowed in the face by a very excited girl in a beanie."

Now, with the success of Portlandia, it's as if PJ Harvey joined the cast of Parks and Recreation, or Eddie Vedder began hosting The Daily Show. lol oh rolling stone Aside from Fashion Week galas, Brownstein can be seen at network upfronts, Emmy afterparties and White House Correspondents' Dinners, and she has a new army of fans who know little to nothing about her past life. "It's very strange for me to have police officers and construction workers who like the show," Brownstein says. "I'll sit next to a 70-year-old guy on a plane, and he'll say, 'My daughter watches, and so do I.' I've never experienced that before." That trend should continue with the new season, which is full of vignettes that could take place in any American city: A group of amped-up retirees tailgate a live taping of A Prairie Home Companion; Brownstein deletes all her social-media accounts only to discover that her friends no longer know her. "The question of the first season was, 'Will people outside of Portland get it?'" Brownstein says. "That question has been answered."

After a few minutes in the dressing room, she decides to go with the checked blazer – something she'd almost certainly never have put on when she was in Sleater-Kinney. "Oh, my gosh, I dressed horribly in the Nineties," she says, walking over to the register. A cashier with freaky faces tattooed on his skull asks if she's going to a certain Fashion Week party. He wears the unmistakable grin of a regular person interacting with a celebrity. Brownstein smiles back: She is, in fact, planning to make an appearance. "See you tonight," the clerk calls out as she leaves.

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In the summer of 2006, the band that had defined Brownstein's adult life came to an abrupt end. She had struggled with anxiety for years, and was overwhelmed with the stress of constant touring; meanwhile, singer-guitarist Corin Tucker, who founded the group with Brownstein while they were students at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington, had shifted her priorities after starting a family. "It was nerve-racking," says Brownstein, sipping a glass of Spanish wine in a cozy West Village bar the night before her shopping expedition. "I didn't want to feel like, 'OK, the thing that I'm going to be known for is done. It happened.'"

Looking for a change of pace, Brownstein put in six months at the Portland office of the hip advertising firm Wieden + Kennedy. "The third weekend in, I had an existential crisis," she recalls. She lasted longer as a music blogger for NPR's website, spending a few years evangelizing about new tracks and attempting to get into Phish (it didn't take). At the same time, she began putting more effort into an online comedy series called ThunderAnt that she and her pal Armisen started in 2005. "Carrie seems so cool and precise," says her friend Amy Poehler. "But she's hiding an inner goofball."

Brownstein traces her interest in making people laugh back to her childhood in Redmond, Washington, where she and her younger sister would put on "weird radio plays" and perform "ersatz ballet" at home to distract from what she calls "the permeating sadness in my family." The sisters were raised by their father, a corporate lawyer, after he and their stay-at-home mom divorced when Brownstein was 14. (Many years later, her father came out as gay.) Compounding matters, "one of my parents was sick," she says without elaborating. "Anything that drowned out that narrative was a relief." (Brownstein doesn't like talking about the details of her childhood, but she is working on a memoir, due out next year.)

Punk rock provided the most powerful escape. After enrolling at Evergreen in 1993, Brownstein started a noisy band called Excuse 17. "I felt like a match being lit," she says. "It felt like growing up." The riot-grrrl revolution was in full swing, with Olympia bands like Bikini Kill and Bratmobile leading the way. Within a year, Brownstein had met Tucker – whose window-shattering howl powered another local band, Heavens to Betsy – and joined forces to become Sleater-Kinney, whose seething, searing debut arrived in 1995. Force-of-nature drummer Janet Weiss replaced original member Lora Macfarlane two years later.

As the trio's national profile rose, though, Brownstein began to feel trapped by the scene that had incubated them. "There was a whole set of rules you could never deviate from," she says. "Anti-commercialism, anti-ambition. If you played anything larger than a basement, you were selling out. No one watched television. When I see Friends or Seinfeld now, I'm like, 'Oh, my God, I missed all this.'"

Some of Portlandia's funniest recurring characters are based on types she knew back then, like Toni and Candace, the hyperjudgmental proprietors of a feminist bookstore called Women & Women First. In the series' second episode, Toni, played by Brownstein, confronted a sheepish customer reaching for a book: "Every time you point, I see a penis." "Those characters are a way of acknowledging how important those kinds of people were in my life," Brownstein says. "But also how ridiculous it was."

By 2001, a year after releasing their fifth album, Sleater-Kinney were being hailed as America's best rock band in Time magazine. But Brownstein was fighting a private battle even as the group reached new creative heights. The nerves that had made her terminally shy when she first enrolled at Evergreen – "I literally couldn't speak in front of people in a room," she remembers – came back with a vengeance in Sleater-Kinney's final years. "There's this momentum that can become so threatening – you're always coming and going," she says. "I think that's why a lot of people drink on tour. I was a hypochondriac." Brownstein checked herself into emergency rooms around gigs in Denver, Seattle, Berlin and Leicester, England. "I'd think I was having a heart attack and I couldn't breathe, or I would have hives and be going into anaphylactic shock," she says. "My body was rejecting the life that I had built for myself. It didn't stop until the band ended."

Today, Brownstein says she's put those challenges behind her for good. "I was just hanging out with Corin, and she was saying that I'm so much less of an anxious person now because I have so many different outlets for my creativity," she says. She and Armisen – who met in 2003 when Sleater-Kinney showed up at an SNL afterparty – have built a close partnership as colleagues and friends. "Carrie is my best friend," says Armisen, who texts constantly with Brownstein even during the half of the year when Portlandia isn't in production.

One of their specialties is portraying outrageously co-dependent twosomes like the bed-and-breakfast-owning, ethically-sourced-poultry-loving Peter and Nance. "We have couples that embody all sorts of behaviors that I wouldn't want to achieve," Brownstein says.

Brownstein has had relationships with women and men (including, for a time, with Tucker), but she tenses up when I ask if she's currently dating anyone in real life. "I don't talk about my personal life at all," she says. "I don't see how it's that interesting or important in terms of what I do." lol welp igss we know why annie's staying in the closet then She does say that acting with Armisen has taught her a lot about love. "I've learned that there's a kind of beauty in being in concert with someone that way," she says. "I don't think it's necessarily for me. But I feel less scared of it."

***

Every morning around 6:30, Brownstein wakes up in Portland in the four-bedroom house she shares with two dogs, brews a pot of coffee and sits at her dining room table to write. "It's difficult," she says of working on her memoir, which is nearly finished. "I feel too young to do this, but I can't imagine waiting 30 years and trying to remember it all."

She has done extensive research for the book, interviewing family members and former bandmates to corroborate her memories. The chapters that longtime fans will be most interested in, naturally, have to do with Sleater-Kinney. Brownstein has found she's inclined to blame herself most of all for the tensions that killed the group. "I feel a lot more culpable than I ever thought I would," she says. "My anxiety was getting bigger than the band. For Corin, it was kind of like, 'Well, this isn't fun anymore, because we have this crazy person in the band.' Meaning me."

Sleater-Kinney made it from dorm rooms and basements in Olympia to theaters and festival stages around the world without professional management – an impressive achievement, but one that Brownstein now regrets. "We didn't have anyone to say, 'You need to go to therapy and get your shit together,'" she says. "A manager might have told us, 'You guys don't need to break up, you just need to chill out for a year.'"

She and her ex-bandmates remain friends: Tucker guest-starred on the first season of Portlandia, in 2011, and around the same time Brownstein recruited Weiss as the drummer in a new band, Wild Flag, which ran its course after one excellent album. ("We had a fun run," Brownstein says of Wild Flag, "but all the logistics started seeming not quite worth it.") Last November, when Brownstein, Tucker and Weiss came out to jam on Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World" during the encore of a Pearl Jam concert in Portland, it set off feverish speculation among fans about a possible reunion. "I was Sleater-Kinney's biggest fan," says Armisen. "Does the world need another Sleater-Kinney album? It's like asking if the world needs food."

I ask Brownstein if she'd like to record a new album or book a reunion tour with her old band, and she smiles enigmatically. "There's definitely a feeling in the air," she admits. "Even I'm like, 'Wait, are we?'" The Pearl Jam appearance felt good: "It was exciting. Those two are very special to me, and we have an indescribable chemistry. Corin and I in particular." But the truth is that Brownstein is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of getting Sleater-Kinney back together. Part of her, she says, wants to keep their legacy untarnished, protect the George Costanza-esque high note they left on. george costanza wat "I don't know," she says. "I don't. I mean, I'm definitely curious."

Brownstein drinks the last of her wine, weighing what to say next. "It could happen," she adds after a while. "But I'm not someone who wallows in nostalgia. I don't think the past was better than right now."

She glances across the room, where a group of young women are tearing open several large bakery boxes on a table.

"Are those cupcakes? At a bar?" she says. You can almost see a Portlandia skit beginning to take form in her head. "They totally are."


Brownstein has lived in the same house in Portland since 2006, the year that Sleater-Kinney broke up. "I like going home," she says. "My version of home is probably less conventional than most people's, but at least I have something I can picture in my mind."


"My house has four bedrooms and two baths, but it's pretty small – it's like a little bungalow," says the Portlandia star. "I mostly live on the main floor and close the door to upstairs."


Brownstein moved from Olympia, Washington, to Portland in the fall of 2001 – mostly to be closer to her Sleater-Kinney bandmates, singer-guitarist Corin Tucker and drummer Janet Weiss, both of whom had lived in Portland for years. "It just started feeling arduous to commute for the sake of songwriting," Brownstein recalls. "If inspiration didn't strike or we hit a moment of frustration, we couldn't say, 'Let's call it a day, see you tomorrow.' It was like, 'OK, now I'm going to get back in my car and drive back to Olympia, and we'll try again next week.' We wrote [1999's] The Hot Rock and [2000's] All Hands on the Bad One that way, but I remember it being a huge relief with [2002's] One Beat that there was a seamlessness to the writing process, just because we were all in Portland."


"It's always strange to move to a city that you think you're familiar with from visiting," Brownstein says. "You think you have this awareness of the geographical layout of the roads and the neighborhoods, but you only know it as a tourist or a visitor." When she first moved to Portland, she says, "I felt more disoriented than I thought I would. Strangely, it really did feel like a big city at the time. Moving from a town with a population under 50,000 to the big city was pretty exciting."


That said, Brownstein adds affectionately, "Portland doesn't function quite as a legitimate city. The other day, when I called to get a cab to the airport the next morning, they said, 'Well, you can't reserve a cab right now, there's only 50 in the city.' It's a city of a million people! That's pretty bad statistics. They were like, 'Just wake up and start calling as early as you possibly can.' I finally just drove my car."


Lately, Brownstein has been putting the finishing touches on a memoir that she hopes to publish next year. "I'm very early to rise," she says. "I get up between 6:30 and 7:30 and make coffee, and I usually try to write – if I don't write in the morning, then I'm screwed, 'cause the whole day can unravel in the most sultry way."


She gets most of her writing done while sitting at her dining room table with one of her dogs nearby. "Sometimes I'll move to the couch, but when I'm sitting there with the computer on my lap, it's almost like the physicality of it starts to diminish," she says. "Your body feels like you're this melted candle that can no longer handle any kind of work – all you're able to do is surf the Internet. Like, 'My body has formed a comma, and now I might as well just crawl up in a ball and look at YouTube for the next four hours.'"


Brownstein has two dogs, aged 10 years and four years. "They're big, so two's plenty – I think one would be great, actually," she says with a laugh. "One is a German wirehaired pointer mix, and the other is a border collie hound mix. They look like these classic hunting dogs. I don't hunt, though."


Despite fans' hopes, Brownstein says she is unsure whether Sleater-Kinney will reunite in the near future; meanwhile, her band Wild Flag closed up shop after one excellent album released in 2011, and Portlandia and her memoir keep her plenty busy. But even though she doesn't have an active band at the moment, Brownstein still plays lots of music at home. "I play guitar a lot, actually," she says. "I really like it. And being friends with people that play guitar really well, I don't want to lose that skill. I don't want to be, like, a hobbyist with guitar – someone who pulls out an acoustic guitar at a party or something. That's very unappealing. I want to be able to play well."

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gotta say i'm surprised, i always figured it was corin that was the problem. and idk how i feel about a reunion, if it sounds like the woods yay, if it sounds like corin's solo records boooo
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iprevail 25th-Mar-2014 12:46 am (UTC)
she looks great.
endingonfire 25th-Mar-2014 12:50 am (UTC)
she was in sleater-kinney? SHE WAS IN SLEATER-KINNEY? HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS??? I should have educated myself.
aschvanzandt 25th-Mar-2014 12:52 am (UTC)
oh god i'm so old
espressotorte 25th-Mar-2014 01:46 am (UTC)
haha
caravels 25th-Mar-2014 12:50 am (UTC)
she's so cute ilh
megswan 25th-Mar-2014 12:52 am (UTC)
hometown queeN
spanishsaharaa 25th-Mar-2014 12:53 am (UTC)
I haven't watched the new season of Portlandia yet. Started to fall out of love with it but maybe I'll try again.

BUT ARE YOU DATING ST. VINCENT, CARRIE? When I read Annie interviews - it seems like she doesn't have time to date. Or isn't up for commitment yet. idk I'm probably way off since I suck at looking into stuff like this. Although they are always together.

Edited at 2014-03-25 12:56 am (UTC)
rumel 25th-Mar-2014 01:03 am (UTC)
i heard that they've been together for 4+ years
sweet_honesty 25th-Mar-2014 01:06 am (UTC)
Really? I love that
spanishsaharaa 25th-Mar-2014 01:07 am (UTC)
idk. I don't follow them much these days - could be true. I laugh at Annie's recent interviews bc she implies or says she's single/doesn't have time. I kinda like that she could possibly just be trolling journos. I feel like a lot of fans of her's (especially gay fans) are getting mad that she won't come out publicly. It annoys me how pushy some fans fan be.
labellavitaaaa 25th-Mar-2014 01:11 am (UTC)
Since 2011 I think
labellavitaaaa 25th-Mar-2014 01:09 am (UTC)
I'm not feeling the new season as much as the previous ones :( I hope the remaining episodes are better.

She and Annie have been dating for a few years, but both of them are super private and refuse to talk about their personal lives.
caitiecait 25th-Mar-2014 01:48 am (UTC)
Whoa whoa whoa. What? Didn't she...at one point say that she didn't identify as gay or queer at all?
espressotorte 25th-Mar-2014 01:49 am (UTC)
Shows how much I follow some people, didn't know Annie was gay.
bert_macklin 25th-Mar-2014 12:53 am (UTC)
young ppl that went through any variation of rock phase will eventually bloom into a hipster
umilicious 25th-Mar-2014 12:54 am (UTC)
Riot-grrl was my everything when I was a teen. It's sad that Carrie's anxiety was such a roadblock to the band, but in a sense it's comforting because I can relate to an extent.

I love Portland (but not as much as Olympia), but I hate Portlandia. I'm still glad she found success, though.
haruhiko 25th-Mar-2014 12:54 am (UTC)
Fuck Yes Sleater-Kinney

Does Carrie still show up on All Songs Considered on NPR? She was always a refreshing change from Bob Boilen's pretentious ass.
phonekeyswallet 25th-Mar-2014 01:06 am (UTC)
mte... i loved listening to her on asc. there was an episode where they talked about the music they listened to growing up and her answers were interesting
evilfriends 25th-Mar-2014 01:17 am (UTC)
they did one a month or so ago that was the worst songs of all time. i thought it was good
haruhiko 25th-Mar-2014 01:49 am (UTC)
Hmm I may have to track it down. I used to mainline NPR podcasts years ago but I fell out of love with them recently.
heyhihelloyo 25th-Mar-2014 12:56 am (UTC)
So here for that memoir. She's iconic imo. Don't blame her re: anxiety, I can empathize. So happy she's better and thriving.
juniorquincy 25th-Mar-2014 01:00 am (UTC)
can't deal w/ her and annie clark. too much perfection. both are stunning ughhhhhhhhh
mariemontclair 25th-Mar-2014 01:01 am (UTC)
I miss Sleater-Kinney :(

Love her, and am glad she is doing so well.
elstree 25th-Mar-2014 01:02 am (UTC)
i miss sk and i'm sad wild flag isn't happening anymore
the songs always sounded either very carrie or very mary timony
little_vienna 25th-Mar-2014 01:08 am (UTC)
can't wait to read the memoir!

and all I can think of is that one punk Portlandia sketch

Punks were not interested in "making it your way"!

alaynestone 25th-Mar-2014 01:25 am (UTC)
My first thought when I saw this post.
labellavitaaaa 25th-Mar-2014 01:14 am (UTC)
I cannot wait to read her memoir! Sleater-Kinney was such a great band.
maryastor 25th-Mar-2014 01:15 am (UTC)
love her
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