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12:27 pm - 03/15/2013

Joss Whedon On Kickstarter And "Firefly": "It Doesn't Just Open The Floodgates"

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Practically from the first moment that Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell announced their Kickstarter campaign for a Veronica Mars movie — and certainly after the project amassed over $2.5 million in 24 hours — people began wondering if the same could be done for another gone-before-its-time TV series.
Joss Whedon was one of them.



"Yes, obviously, the next thing will be that we will try to Kickstart a Dollhouse reunion," Whedon tells BuzzFeed.
He's joking, folks. Whedon — a professed Veronica Mars super-fan — says he knew almost instantly that now that fan-based funding had been proven viable at a feature film scale, the constant drumbeat of "when will there be another Firefly movie?" would only be getting louder. Whedon is something of a pioneer in the realm of reviving canceled series into a feature film: Three years after Fox unceremoniously axed Firefly in 2002, Whedon convinced Universal Pictures to bankroll a feature film version that served as his feature directing debut. Alas, Serenity grossed a meager $38.9 million worldwide, scuttling any lasting hope that a major studio would step up to do it again. But if Fox or Universal signed off on distributing a fan-funded Firefly film...? Just the idea of it is enough to get Browncoats everywhere itching at their wallets.
Initially, however, Whedon declined to talk about what the implications of Veronica Mars' success would mean for Firefly. But then, he says, "I realized if I don't, it's the only thing I'm ever going to be asked ever by anyone."
So here's what he had to say:

Adam B. Vary: So what was your reaction when you heard this was happening with Veronica Mars and it was so successful?
Joss Whedon: It was unfettered joy. A) I thought it was an awesome and ballsy move. B) I love V. Mars and want more of it. And C) It feels like a real game-changer. Like, not since Louis C.K. [selling his comedy special directly online].

ABV: There has been some bellyaching about the idea of going to fans to ask them to donate money to a project that they won't be true investors in.
JW: Mmmhmm.

ABV: Any thoughts on that?
JW: You know, I get that. I understand that it feels not as pure, and that the presence of a studio makes it disingenuous somehow. But people clearly understood what was happening and just wanted to see more of the thing they love. To give them that opportunity doesn't feel wrong. If it was a truly wrong move, I don't think it would have worked. I feel like people would have said, "Hey, that's not fair! That doesn't count!" It costs a lot to see a movie anyway. And it's usually not one you like. That kind of passion, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I might not be thinking it through. I'm not exactly business Joe.

ABV: So, what does this mean for Firefly?
JW: That's what everybody wants to know about. Uh, yeah. My fourth feeling when I read about [the Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign] was a kind of dread. Because I realized the only thing that would be on everybody's mind right now. I've said repeatedly that I would love to make another movie with these guys, and that remains the case. It also remains the case that I'm booked up by Marvel for the next three years, and that I haven't even been able to get Dr. Horrible 2 off the ground because of that. So I don't even entertain the notion of entertaining the notion of doing this, and won't. Couple years from now, when Nathan [Fillion]'s no longer [on] Castle and I'm no longer the Tom Hagen of the Marvel Universe and making a giant movie, we might look and see where the market is then. But right now, it's a complete non-Kickstarter for me.


ABV: I think you would need at least 10 times the budget of what the Veronica Mars folks are asking for for their movie to make a Firefly movie make sense.
JW: Yes. We come to Veronica Mars to hear her talk and hear her father talk. But Firefly/Serenity, it's kind of a different animal — and then there's also the question of what kind of animal it is. Because some people are talking about Firefly episodes. Some people are talking about [a new] Serenity. I think anything we could get off the ground would be appreciated by the fans. But what form it would take is I think under some debate.
For me, [Kickstarter] doesn't just open the floodgates. God knows, things are cheaper now than when we made even Serenity. Good effects can be done in a different manner. Nor is that universe all about spectacle either. But it is a tad more expensive — and a little all-consuming! And of course, there's the other fear: What if it's not that good? I can do something that's not that good — that's fine. But if I do that and it's not that good, I'm going to feel really stupid.
Because I'm too busy to deal with it, I did have a moment of just, "Oh my god! I'm in trouble now." I've always said, "Yes, I'd love to do another one," and it's still true. But I sort of got slapped in the face with it. Or probably will.

ABV: Well at least you have a good excuse to kick the can down the road a bit, since you're, how did you put it, the Tom Hagen of Marvel Universe? That's a great metaphor.
JW: (Laughs) That's how I see it. At some point, [Marvel Studios chief] Kevin Feige is going to turn to me and say, "You're out, Joss."



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I remember going to the Serenity screening a few months prior to the release complete with a Joss Whedon intro, no score, and a massive amount of green screen, and I LOVED every second of it! If they get to do one in a few years, cool, but if not, I'm totally content with how it ended.

And I can't wait to see the Veronica Mars Movie and hang out at the premiere and after-party! :)
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saintssin 15th-Mar-2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
let it die already

that cast as moved on. It's time you do the same.
saintssin 15th-Mar-2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
It's like me and my ex all over again.

oh, gloria. if you'd just call I'd take you back right now.
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
That's basically what Joss said.
anchors_oceans 15th-Mar-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
joss has said many times that he doesn't want firefly to come back.
saintssin 15th-Mar-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
to clarify, that was directed at the fans of the show**

Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I just got up.
aquanite 16th-Mar-2013 01:12 am (UTC)
Ikr? I went to his panel at SDCC last year and he pretty much said that word for word, but people just don't want to listen. It's so annoying.
kaiserschmarrn 15th-Mar-2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
mte I love the show but Serenity gave me satisfying closure which makes it much easier to move on compared to stuff that was left with a cliffhanger or ended badly. Firefly didn't.
einodia 15th-Mar-2013 06:17 pm (UTC)
unless there's a chance such a movie will net them all huge paychecks, of course. then they would be all in.
aquanite 16th-Mar-2013 01:12 am (UTC)
Seriously! Fans are so greedy and don't stop and think HMM MAYBE JOSS DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO? God forbid he wants to do NEW projects. It would just be stupid now anyway. It was short and fine the way it is
imnotasquirrel 15th-Mar-2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
omg joss has such a punchable face... no more firefly, please. don't give him any more opportunities to go ahead with his shitty rape storyline or say stupid things re: summer glau looking asian.

i was reading mara wilson's tweets about the vm movie lmao.
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
He basically said that it's not going to happen.

Also what did Mara say?
imnotasquirrel 15th-Mar-2013 04:49 pm (UTC)
joss is a troll though, I DON'T TRUST HIM.

with mara, eh, it was the same old stuff about why people were doing all of this for a tv show and how the studio was just going to reap all the profits blah blah blah.
bluemeanie_1 15th-Mar-2013 07:10 pm (UTC)
What was the rape storyline?
allwasnew 15th-Mar-2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
I love Firefly but omg just let it die already. This is getting embarrassing.
larrylurker 15th-Mar-2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
You got one movie out of this franchise already. Stop being greedy and asking for seconds before others eat, fans.

Edited at 2013-03-15 04:49 pm (UTC)
principino 15th-Mar-2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
Ia, especially since the Buffy Season 8 movie is just dying to be made. Who WOULDN'T want to see Dawn a giant then banging Xander and Buffy flying then sleeping with a woman for no reason?

Edited at 2013-03-15 04:58 pm (UTC)
larrylurker 15th-Mar-2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I like Buffy and all, but I have no interest in reading those comics although like reading summaries of what has happen.

They have Firefly comics too right? That's enough.


Edited at 2013-03-15 05:04 pm (UTC)
firefox1490 15th-Mar-2013 11:25 pm (UTC)
Buffy already had an amazing movie.

Just saying.
coulson 15th-Mar-2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
reading, what's that?
lizrocks 15th-Mar-2013 04:52 pm (UTC)
lol ifkr
imnotasquirrel 15th-Mar-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
sorry but i don't trust anything that joss says, COULSON.

i see the evil in his eyes
coulson 15th-Mar-2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
you're right not to trust that man

i trusted him once
notoriousreign 15th-Mar-2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
Good to hear he's not big on bringing it back. I love Firefly, and I love how the actors still love those characters, but Whedon's gonna be so busy right now too...
madness 15th-Mar-2013 04:50 pm (UTC)
I'm all for a new cast, same universe, after the events of Serenity. Even if its just some webisodes or something. And who is he kidding? If he did a kickstarter it would probably get out of hand with how many fans donate and stuff. It would be fun, but I get that he's busy and a lot of people think to just let the whole thing die. I enjoyed it, a lot of people enjoyed it, we need more science fiction like that out there and the world was great. Ho hum.
vervain 15th-Mar-2013 05:58 pm (UTC)
yea it did and a lot of fans did create one a few years ago. joss got wind of it and basically said 'please no, you don't have my approval and i am not accepting the money donating'.
jaimelannister 15th-Mar-2013 04:51 pm (UTC)
No more, thank you.
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 04:52 pm (UTC)
OP are you really doing one of the premieres and after party?
crimsonelegance 15th-Mar-2013 05:02 pm (UTC)
Yep! My husband is awesome! This is his gift to me for this year (he was deployed on our 9 yrs together anniversary) and next year's anniversary (or so he says)---we never exchange gifts. We just do something special for each other each year, and he knows how much I LOVE VM.


I was already pledging a $200 dollar package, so a good friend of mine and I got together (on our kickstarter accts) and split a $1000 pledge and a $200 pledge. That way we both get a ticket to the premiere and after-party as well as individual items (signed movie poster, screenplay, t-shirt, etc.)
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
That's awesome! I was really tempted with some of the packages that they added yesterday especially since you get two tickets out of it but I would need to go halfsies with a friend to get it and then we would fight over the items so I don't think it would work.
crimsonelegance 15th-Mar-2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
That's what I suggest if they open up any more perks. Split everything with two perk packages.
mellarks 15th-Mar-2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
Some of the comments in this post are very 'ontd can't read'.
winegums 15th-Mar-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
they really are, but at this point it's prob. foolish to expect ontd to read.
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
Pretty much.
rolt_me 15th-Mar-2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
ot but ppl don't give kbell enough credit for the whole movie thing. she's basically been the only person who's been stirring dust about it for years alone while everyone else called her delusional. not that she wasn't self-motivated given vmars was the only good role she's had in her entire career.
mellarks 15th-Mar-2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
I can't imagine how happy she is right now. Having her baby soon and shooting the movie after? She really is the happiest blonde in a hamster ball.

and HDU Reefer Madness was fucking flawless.
imnotasquirrel 15th-Mar-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
i hope there are sloths in the veronica mars movie.
trumpydoesmagic 15th-Mar-2013 09:48 pm (UTC)
I still have some of the Reefer Madness songs on my ipod. :)
anchors_oceans 15th-Mar-2013 05:08 pm (UTC)
i feel bad for her. she's so cute and funny and when i see her in movies, i'm actually entertained by her! she just picks really shitty movies. :(

good for house of lies, though!
agatharuncible 15th-Mar-2013 05:36 pm (UTC)
it's not that hard to be pushing for it when you don't have much of a career otherwise
365reasonswhy 15th-Mar-2013 05:38 pm (UTC)
MTE. I remember some old posts where people were telling her to shut the fuck up and that she was delusional and ridiculous for thinking it could ever happen and it was dead, drop it move on, get a life, etc.

lol @ them
browniecakemix 15th-Mar-2013 08:46 pm (UTC)
With the exception of noted masterpiece Reefer Madness (no sarcasm here), ia!
julietislimited 15th-Mar-2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
I would totally be cool with other people donating to make a firefly film and then watching it for free when it comes online.

I really did enjoy that series far more than I thought I would.
vervain 15th-Mar-2013 06:02 pm (UTC)
people already tried that though based on a statement nathen made 'help nathan buy firefly rights' lol because they wanted it to be made but everyone in firefly basically said newp.

http://unstoppablesignals.com/hnbf/
polynucleotide 15th-Mar-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
lol no matter what he says firefly stans will still want it to come back.
violet_crumble9 15th-Mar-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
reminded me of:
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mellarks 15th-Mar-2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
If only Community fans could pull off something like this. :(
crimsonelegance 15th-Mar-2013 05:10 pm (UTC)
I almost posted this gif at the bottom of my post. :)
ediesedgwick 15th-Mar-2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
I don't get why people were so hung up on this show
lovealwaysliana 15th-Mar-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
I hear this in a Mhissy voice
vehiclesshockme 15th-Mar-2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
I wish I had the video clip of it best but I think Mark Sheppard said it best in that it wasn't so much that it ended but that it was stolen from people. It was shuffled around it was aired out of order and was never given a chance. I think people often forget that this was pre-DVR and internet fandom wasn't as massive of a thing as it is now so if you were a casual viewer it was hard to find. That being said it's gotten more than a fair farewell.
einodia 15th-Mar-2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
yes, exactly. the show got screwed from its beginning (and that FOX screwed over another show to get it on the air, then didn't back it at all just made the whole business so much bitterer). plus fighting a losing battle against an institution is kind of what the show was about, so it all came together in a strange twist of hermeneutic circumstances.
365reasonswhy 15th-Mar-2013 05:40 pm (UTC)
I can't explain it, but sometimes you just really love something. It was a fun show, I loved all of the cast, I had fun stanning for it, etc.
xkyrie_eleisonx 15th-Mar-2013 06:33 pm (UTC)
same. I watched it a few years ago and didn't get the hype.
aquanite 16th-Mar-2013 01:14 am (UTC)
agreed. My boyfriend and his friends are OBSESSED and I was just "eh" about it. They hyped it up to be THE VERY BEST SHOW and I was let down, lol.
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