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11:40 am - 03/10/2013

What 'Oz' Owes To Early Radical Feminism

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Glenn Kenny, a film critic friend of mine, notes at MSN Movies that the problem with this new Oz the Great and Powerful is that James Franco is grievously miscast as the Wizard of Oz. To me this was more or less clear from the trailer, Franco’s bumble-stoner presence an instant false note when placed in the same frame as the self-possession of Mila Kunis, Michelle Williams and Rachel Weisz. (I haven’t seen the movie yet.) But the disparity of talent there only mirrors the way the Oz story has been structured, from the moment L. Frank Baum set pen to paper. As underscored by spin-off work like Wicked, the fact is, Oz has always been matriarchal. Which is not, in this case at least, a feminist utopia in the sense of being a place where women nurture each other right into Scandinavian social-democratic bliss. Instead, in Oz, as Alison Lurie once put it in The New York Review of Books, “Women rule all the good societies and some of the bad ones.” For every Glinda, you get a Wicked Witch.

There is, of course, other proof of women’s power in Oz than the rule of the witches. Dorothy’s male companions, literary scholars point out, are all robots and scarecrows and stuffed antelope heads. The Wizard himself is a disappointment. Ozma, the rightful ruler of Oz, is at one point a boy, but it turns out to be a spell disguising her true gender. What’s more, on some level the books were self-conscious about their denigration of men. At the end of the original book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the denizens of the Emerald City remark that “there is not another city in all the world that is ruled by a stuffed man.” But the narrator observes, “And so far as they knew, they were quite right”—implying that not all stuffing is visible on the outside, if you catch his drift.

Given that these are all early-century books, the progressiveness of it might seem remarkable, but then Frank Baum was unusually well-connected to one of the more radical figures in early American feminism. He’d married a woman named Maud Gage, whose mother, Matilda Joslyn Gage, was a feminist who worked alongside Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton. But Matilda Gage was more than a simple suffragette or birth control activist; she was a philosopher and a theosophist as well as a historian. She believed in reincarnation, and developed an entire theory that “man” had suppressed traces of an earlier history of matriarchy, particularly among First Nations people:

These records prove that women had acquired great liberty under the old civilizations. A form of society existed at an early age known as the Matriarchate or Mother-rule. Under the Matriarchate, except as son and inferior, man was not recognized in either of these great institutions, family, state or church. A father and husband as such, had no place either in the social, political or religious scheme; woman was ruler in each.

She also wrote extensively on Christian theology and its role in the oppression of women. In particular, she was obsessed with witches and witchcraft, whose demonization she saw as irrational and devaluing of women long before 1990s-style Wiccans took up the call of recharacterizing witches as “wise women”:

Whatever the pretext made for witchcraft persecution we have abundant proof that the so-called “witch” was among the most profoundly scientific persons of the age. The church, having forbidden its offices and all external methods of knowledge to woman, was profoundly stirred with indignation at her having, through her own wisdom, penetrated into some of the most deeply subtle secrets of nature: and it was a subject of debate during the middle ages if learning for woman was not an additional capacity for evil, as owing to her, knowledge had first been introduced in the world.

Biographers of Baum routinely declare that he borrowed the concept of the Good Witch wholesale from Gage’s writings, though none cite any particular admission by him that he consciously did so. But Gage certainly encouraged her son-in-law to publish the stories he told his children, a piece of advice she did not live to see carried out. She would die in 1897, three years before the publication of the first of the Oz books. So she never got to see how he ended up popularizing her ideas for generation upon generation of American children.

The good and bad witches of Oz, delicious campy parts though they might make for Hollywood actresses, are hardly role models, mind you. There are few American girls who looked forward to growing up as Glinda, much less the Wicked Witch of the West. But these character did, in some sense, open the options, ones we still struggle with over here in “Kansas” today, in that they got to rule whether or not they were perfectly good or perfectly bad. They did not have to conform to the kind of “likability” we demand of modern female leaders, because of their otherworldliness, perhaps. But having etched into your childhood some idea that women, too, could exercise raw power—it had, I think, to be worth something.

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browniecakemix 10th-Mar-2013 03:45 pm (UTC)
Haven't finished reading the article yet but I will say yesterday I realized the title of the movie implies that "Oz" is the wizard's name instead of the name of the world and I got irrationally pissed off about it. It's like saying "Frankenstein" to refer to the monster. WHY.
bodyline 10th-Mar-2013 03:54 pm (UTC)
That's how they actually refer to him tho? "I am Oz, the Great and Powerful."
thetxbelle 10th-Mar-2013 06:43 pm (UTC)
His name is Oz and he does a charlatan magician show, iirc he calls himself Oz: The Great and Powerful, it's the same at the great Houdini.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 03:55 pm (UTC)
but the character is called Oz and the world is called Oz
tsarinakate1 10th-Mar-2013 03:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah I read that in a review, and was irritated, because they made it seem like Oz was named after him....which I do not believe is true
daisyissosilly 10th-Mar-2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
But the Wizard's name IS Oz. It's short for Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs.
beating_heartss 11th-Mar-2013 06:36 am (UTC)
Did you not see the movie? There's a reason for that, the world is named Oz and he is named Oz as well.
snark_ranger 10th-Mar-2013 03:53 pm (UTC)
I just want to send a warning to all people about how utterly HORRIBLE this movie was. It was so so so bad.
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 03:58 pm (UTC)
this. There was a point that I thought about walking out, but I had nothing else to do so i stayed.
snark_ranger 10th-Mar-2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
I actually did walk out. I could not handle it and I am huge "Oz" fan and a generally big fan of the cast.
superchocobear 11th-Mar-2013 09:02 am (UTC)
lol, literally me
endingonfire 10th-Mar-2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
THIS. This movie was fucking atrocious.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
I was so incredibly disappointed with this hot mess of a film.
thetxbelle 10th-Mar-2013 06:46 pm (UTC)
I liked it but I knew 10 minutes into it ONTD would HATE it.
chrismakkuh 10th-Mar-2013 08:43 pm (UTC)
What was horrible about it for you?

For me it was the horrible visuals. We're still trying to figure out if the theater fucked up or if Raimi dropped the muthafuckin ball
beating_heartss 11th-Mar-2013 06:37 am (UTC)
It wasn't terrible (like Extract, UGH) but it wasn't amazing either. It was very :| I was entertained somewhat? But I did check out a couple times LOL Zach Braff's as the monkey was the only good part, he was so cute
tsarinakate1 10th-Mar-2013 03:55 pm (UTC)
Did anyone see this article at HuffPo? Its been making the rounds on tumblr and facebook, and it makes me rage a bit. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-hill/joe-roth-reflects-on-oz-t_b_2806542.html

Especially this part:
Roth explained. "And the second reason was -- during the years that I spent running Walt Disney Studios -- I learned about how hard it was to find a fairy tale with a good strong male protagonist. You've got your Sleeping Beauties, your Cinderellas and your Alices. But a fairy tale with a male protagonist is very hard to come by. But with the origin story of the Wizard of Oz, here was a fairy tale story with a natural male protagonist. Which is why I knew that this was an idea for a movie that was genuinely worth pursuing."
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 04:00 pm (UTC)
poor boys have it so rough not having good fairy tale role models.
tsarinakate1 10th-Mar-2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah I know. Its like Disney has never created a recognizable male character. It's just so hard growing up make around all those princesses.
shrubrub 10th-Mar-2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
"I learned about how hard it was to find a ___________ with a good strong male protagonist."

LMAO @ at any form this sentence takes being even remotely true.

Edited at 2013-03-10 04:03 pm (UTC)
age_of_green 10th-Mar-2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
What is this mansplaining mess? And why did anyone think it was fit to publish. Nevermind that the Huffpost lets a lot of questionable crap slide by

Edit because I accidentally a word.

Edited at 2013-03-10 04:04 pm (UTC)
browniecakemix 10th-Mar-2013 04:03 pm (UTC)
How was the (actual) origin story even a fairy tale? He's just some schmuck asshole snake oil salesman! Ugh rage. Also clearly this imbecile hasn't read very many fairy tales.
daisyissosilly 10th-Mar-2013 04:09 pm (UTC)
...has this douche never heard of Jack and the Beanstalk? The Boy Who Went in Search of Fear? Puss in Boots? Hell, even The Gingerbread Man, The Three Little Pigs, and The Twelve Dancing Princesses have male central characters, so I don't know what he's talking about.

But anyway. Female protagonists >>> male protagonists.
m_pendulum 10th-Mar-2013 04:29 pm (UTC)
Is this for real? Did he flip through all the well known western collections and just go shucks, go look at Arabian Knights!
shahrazade_bard 10th-Mar-2013 04:38 pm (UTC)
Oh fer fuck's sake. There it is, that whole "won't somebody please think about the men?!" bullshit. Whatever.
madam_red 10th-Mar-2013 04:39 pm (UTC)
"But with the origin story of the Wizard of Oz, here was a fairy tale story with a natural male protagonist. Which is why I knew that this was an idea for a movie that was genuinely worth pursuing"

bodyline 10th-Mar-2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
this bullshit right here
nalty7 10th-Mar-2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
mynamehere07 10th-Mar-2013 05:19 pm (UTC)
Won't somebody think of the men????
notoriousreign 10th-Mar-2013 05:59 pm (UTC)
YES I saw that and was like... clearly you haven't read enough fairy tales.

But won't SOMEONE THINK OF THE MEN?!
saintssin 10th-Mar-2013 07:34 pm (UTC)
we men have it so hard
zemi_chan 10th-Mar-2013 11:44 pm (UTC)
velvetunicorn 11th-Mar-2013 01:29 am (UTC)
come on now. most of the female protagonists that he mentioned don't really do anything of note. they just exist to be pretty and resented until they're punished at which point a male hero saves them.

devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 03:56 pm (UTC)
this was such a shitty movie ugh. I cant believe I spent 5 bucks to see it.
sandstorm 10th-Mar-2013 03:58 pm (UTC)
5 bucks? Lucky. I thought of seeing it because I'm really desperate to see SOMETHING in theaters as of late.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:03 pm (UTC)
i heard stoker was great. go see that instead.
meteor_stream 11th-Mar-2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
Yes, Casca. I definitely agree.
OT: I haven't seen the third movie yet, and I really hope they haven't made the Eclipse scene as graphic as in the manga. It gave me nightmares >.>
unique_lilpixie 10th-Mar-2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
I just don't like James Franco anymore. I don't think I can watch this movie.
notoriousreign 10th-Mar-2013 06:01 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I can't take him seriously anymore. I was so smitten with him in Tristan and Isolde, what HAPPENED? =(
nicenicegirl 10th-Mar-2013 03:59 pm (UTC)
if anyone comes across a dl link for the movie would uhhh...you mind pointing me in the right direction towards it?? i know everyone is saying it sucks, but i've loved the Oz books/movies since i was little and i'm dying to see it and i doubt i'll get to the theaters to see it anytime soon.
thetxbelle 10th-Mar-2013 07:04 pm (UTC)
It will probably be on 1channel.ch
kol123 10th-Mar-2013 04:00 pm (UTC)
This movie looks appalling. Like constipation face, Razzie, bad.
fred2265 10th-Mar-2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
mte.
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 04:04 pm (UTC)
I disliked this movie so much. first james franco can not play someone who is supposed to be charming because he isnt. I wanted to punch is smug smiling face. and the whole "we need a man to save us". fuck off. ugh I hope that Michelle and Rachel dont do a sequel let it be. I wonder if they already signed for sequels when they signed for this one though.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
Wouldn't Oz the Great and Powerful 2 just be the Wizard of Oz?
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 04:15 pm (UTC)
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!!
winonaforever 10th-Mar-2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately they all signed for a sequel and with the movie making bank, they'll have to do it.
mynamehere07 10th-Mar-2013 05:12 pm (UTC)
I remember reading something last week about how miscast Franco is in this. I guess the original plan was to get Johnny Depp, but that fell through (probably since it wasn't Burton). They wanted RDJ, so Sam Raimi sent him a plant, which RDJ let die, and Raimi was hurt by that. So I guess they decided to go to the bottom of the available leading men list and picked Franco.
thetxbelle 10th-Mar-2013 07:08 pm (UTC)
I didn't think it was very "we need a man to save us" they needed someone to help up but it's clear throughout the film that he's too stupid to save anyone even himself. They all had to come together to save Oz.
superchocobear 11th-Mar-2013 09:06 am (UTC)
IA @ all of this

but on the other hand, Michelle was so hot in it. the character Glinda was like OTT sweet, but Michelle always had the 'fuck me' eyes going on, lol.

also Mila Kunis was so damn AWFUL, I was actually offended by her role
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:04 pm (UTC)
also the treatment of women in this film is gross as fuck

Edited at 2013-03-10 04:07 pm (UTC)
endingonfire 10th-Mar-2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
The women in this movie were written so horribly, Mila's especially. My sister and I were rolling our eyes the entire film. It's so sad and fucked up that Hollywood's aversion to female heroines are going to keep some great stories from being told :/
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
IA with Mila. I just wanted Theodora to just kill Oz because lord knows he deserved it
gabzillaz 10th-Mar-2013 04:11 pm (UTC)
Shame he was a racist.

And this movie was bound to be a fiasco when the producer of the movie thinks there are too many fairy tales with female characters as protagonists and won't somebody think of the men?
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:20 pm (UTC)
ikr? You know what this story about a girl character needs. MORE JAMES FRANCO BEING A DOUCHE TO WOMEN.
gabzillaz 10th-Mar-2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.

OT but I love your icon <3
lanavis 10th-Mar-2013 05:54 pm (UTC)
He's a racist?
Spill.
notoriousreign 10th-Mar-2013 06:32 pm (UTC)
Ikr? No wonder it didn't look that interesting. =/
ellie_andrews 10th-Mar-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
well shit now i feel bad for liking it. (well the first half anyway)

it was really pretty :(
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:21 pm (UTC)
it was really pretty and I really loved the music too! but the character of Oz and the writing of the female characters is really where the movie fell apart for me. lol I made a long as text post about this last night.
crystalzelda 10th-Mar-2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
link sis
thetxbelle 10th-Mar-2013 06:48 pm (UTC)
I liked it and I'm not sorry. Is it an amazingly awesome well written film with great acting? No but it's magical, simple and sort of fun. You don't have to think you just sort of go on this adventure, if I was 7 years old this would probably be my favorite film for awhile.
winonaforever 10th-Mar-2013 04:13 pm (UTC)
I'm taking my bother to see this next week, i guess i'll catch up on my sleep like i did during Alice in Wonderland and Sherlock Holmes 2.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:22 pm (UTC)
how old is your brother (honestly I don't think this movie is very child friendly). And I don't think you'll fall asleep its visually very stunning at the very least.
winonaforever 10th-Mar-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
He's 11
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
I dont know if this is considered a spoiler and I dont know how to spoiler something here so Im sorry.....












but in the original script that I read Glinda and Oz dont become a couple because in the script they are not allowed to kiss because one of them (and I cant remember which one) would die. so it pissed me off that at the end they kissed.
devochkazhenya 10th-Mar-2013 04:32 pm (UTC)
I was just pissed that they got together at all. Oz was totally undeserving of the happy ending he got
bodyline 10th-Mar-2013 05:01 pm (UTC)
WHAT

THEY GOT TOGETHER


WHY
loganx2 10th-Mar-2013 05:02 pm (UTC)
because of course the girl has to fall for the boy who saved her kingdom.
karinette001 10th-Mar-2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
the movie was absolutely stunning to look at *____________________*
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