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1:14 pm - 02/26/2013

Christoph Waltz’s Oscar Spurs Debate: Austrian or German?


FRANKFURT – Christoph Waltz’s second Academy Award has once again launched a very serious debate in Europe – is he Austrian or German?

Both nations have laid claim to the 56-year-old actor, who won best supporting actor Oscars for his portrayals of a Nazi soldier in “Inglourious Basterds,” as well as a German bounty hunter in “Django Unchained.”

The debate concerning Mr. Waltz stems from a long, contentious history in which Austria and Germany argue over which famous German-speaking figures belong to which country, the borders of which have historically often been blurred. For example, Austria tries to lay claim to Ludwig van Beethoven – born in Bonn, Germany, but who arguably came into musical greatness in Austria. Germans cling to the fact that Adolf Hitler was Austrian.

Mr. Waltz’s father had German citizenship, as does he. But he was born and grew up in Vienna, and the country quickly moved to offer him Austrian citizenship after his first Oscar win in 2010. He now holds both German and Austrian passports.

“I was born in Vienna, I grew up in Vienna, I went to school in Vienna, I took my university entrance exams in Vienna, I studied in Vienna, I began my professional career in Vienna, I had my first theater role in Vienna, I filmed for the first time in Vienna, and there are a few more Vienna specifics. How much more Austrian could you be?” Mr. Waltz has said, according to Austria’s ORF broadcaster.

Mr. Waltz was not immediately available for comment Monday.

The German media politely labeled him “German-Austrian” in their coverage of his win Monday, while the Austrian media celebrated the dual wins of their Austrians – Mr. Waltz and the success of director Michael Haneke for his foreign film prize for “Amour.” Austrian politicians issued congratulatory press statements, seemingly reveling in Mr. Waltz’s now official status.

Mr. Waltz weighed in on the cultural differences between the two nations on Conan O’Brien’s talk show in 2011, with the edge going to Austria. He said Austrians tend to be polite without meaning it; Germans are more direct and confrontational.

“The difference between Austrians and Germans is like the difference between a battleship and a waltz,” Mr. Waltz said.

Mr. O’Brien asked about the cliché that Germans have no sense of humor.

“That’s not a cliché,” said Mr. Waltz, smiling.




Christoph Waltz took home the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor at this year's Oscars for his role as a dentist-turned-bounty-hunter in Django Unchained.

But prior to becoming the charming, Oscar-snagging performer he is today — Waltz won the same award in 2009 for Inglorious Basterds — the Austrian actor dabbled in song.

The video above, taken from a 1977 episode of the Austrian children's show At the Dam, shows a 21-year-old Waltz's more theatrical (and undeniably fashionable) side of performing. Striped leotard aside, he's still pretty charming.

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champagnexdream 26th-Feb-2013 01:12 pm (UTC)
He's so attractive.
goddlesssinner 26th-Feb-2013 01:47 pm (UTC)
He is. In a very strange way but he seems SO nice. YUM.
ponpiri 26th-Feb-2013 03:29 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I think he is, most times I don't. His jaw is so strong and looks lopsided at angles.
cabernet 26th-Feb-2013 05:55 pm (UTC)
ia
hypermuseic9 26th-Feb-2013 11:56 pm (UTC)
mte
miwa201 26th-Feb-2013 01:13 pm (UTC)
PSH was robbed. Still amazed he won for the same role he played two (?) years ago. Fucking Weinstein.
champagnexdream 26th-Feb-2013 01:23 pm (UTC)
The same role? Are you srs though?
wickedground 26th-Feb-2013 01:24 pm (UTC)
MTE. Totally different character, wtf.
miwa201 26th-Feb-2013 01:27 pm (UTC)
Not the same role per se, clearly, but he acted it in the same way. There was no difference in the acting.
in_suburb 26th-Feb-2013 01:42 pm (UTC)
don't worry. PSH gets nominated every 3 years.
goddlesssinner 26th-Feb-2013 01:48 pm (UTC)
Besides of being category fraud for both, Christoph ANd PSH, it was a bad year for SA
vehiclesshockme 26th-Feb-2013 05:19 pm (UTC)
I was surprised by Christoph because the role did seem very similar to me. However I don't think that PSH was robbed. I really wasn't crazy about anyone in The Master to be honest.

That category was a clusterfuck though. Arkin shouldn't have been nominated.
gabriella 26th-Feb-2013 01:15 pm (UTC)
Beautiful perfect human man <3
littlehayzay 26th-Feb-2013 01:17 pm (UTC)
I think he made it pretty emphatic when he hosted SNL and said 'Most people think I am German. I am not. I am Austrian' - I know it was part of a gag, but it still started with that declaration.
theitalianchick 26th-Feb-2013 01:18 pm (UTC)
<3
kachna_junior 26th-Feb-2013 01:19 pm (UTC)
love him
superdogbiter 26th-Feb-2013 01:20 pm (UTC)
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grammaire 26th-Feb-2013 01:21 pm (UTC)
Do you (or anyone else) perchance have a link to this sketch that isn't from NBC/Hulu?? :(
superdogbiter 26th-Feb-2013 01:24 pm (UTC)
goodbye22 26th-Feb-2013 02:59 pm (UTC)


not really a good quality tho
grammaire 26th-Feb-2013 01:20 pm (UTC)
He's an Austrian of German descent.

But I can sympathize with Germany, Canada will label anyone Canadian if they set foot in the country during their childhood (Anna Paquin, Jack Warner, etc).
violet_crumble9 26th-Feb-2013 01:57 pm (UTC)
That's the same with Australia. Like in tennis, 'Aussie Ana' because she has family here and 'Aussie Kim' because she dated Lleyton Hewitt. Grinds mah gears.
__papillon 26th-Feb-2013 02:55 pm (UTC)
the funniest thing about kim is that the aussies are still obsessed with her and were in denial for awhile after she broke up with lleyton lol. when she retired the first time because she said she wanted to be a mother and wash dishes there was a poster in the ao that said: "kim, we have dirty dishes too!!!!" lol and then when she came back married (to an american so she should really be american kim) with a kid they were still calling her aussie kim lol.
velvetunicorn 26th-Feb-2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
lol I immediately thought of Anna Paquin considering I'm a Winnipegger although I guess she was born here. I still cringe if they try to connect her to us though cause she was barely here.
bloolikejazz 26th-Feb-2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
lol please america leads the charts
"einsten was a german-born american physicist"
who the fuck ever think/considers einstein as americans

same thing with tesla
how was he serbian-american he moved to the us when he was 30
the us will jump on anything that'll give them scientific recognition tho. nice try.
bossm 26th-Feb-2013 04:11 pm (UTC)
He had the German citizenship so he's German.
wickedground 26th-Feb-2013 01:21 pm (UTC)
tbh I don't get why he never had the Austrian citizenship to begin with, born and living in Austria for such a long period of time he surely could have just given up his German passport for the Austrian one. But then he lived in Hamburg and Berlin (and London) for years too (although with the EU it doesn't really matter anymore). I guess the German citizenship was just easier for him to get jobs tbh, but he doesn't want to be associated with it as such. Until it came out after his 2009 Oscar win that he held a German passport and not an Austrian one, he wasn't actually labeled a German actor anyway in Germany.

Edited at 2013-02-26 01:24 pm (UTC)
condenast 26th-Feb-2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
Austria makes you jump through a shit ton of hoops to become Austrian. You're automatically Austrian if you're born there. I can understand if he couldn't be bothered. It's a lot of work.
wickedground 26th-Feb-2013 10:13 pm (UTC)
He was born in Vienna, that can't be it then. According to the poster below the father's nationality dictated the child's.
sonja_76 26th-Feb-2013 06:50 pm (UTC)
Back then, when an Austrian citizen and a foreigner had a child together, the father's citizenship dictated the kid's. I know a lot of guys with non-Austrian fathers who never applied for Austrian citizenship or at least not before they turned 40 for one simple reason: Austria's compulsive miliary service only concerns citizens, not guys who lived here all their lives but are German (or any other nationality) on paper.

Waltz actually interrupted Regis Philbin two years ago when he introduced him as a 'German actor' to make it clear he was Austrian, so I guess he doesn't feel German.
quizblorg 26th-Feb-2013 01:23 pm (UTC)
I still find it amazing how, after decades of doing mostly bland German tv films, he suddenly became a Hollywod star (and now two-time Oscar winner). He deserves it, though.
nullteiler 26th-Feb-2013 01:42 pm (UTC)
HDU I still love his Roy Black film
just444 26th-Feb-2013 01:47 pm (UTC)
quizblorg 26th-Feb-2013 01:49 pm (UTC)
I've never seen it tbh. I haven't seen the film where he plays the Oetker kidnapper either, but he got a Grimme award for that, didn't he?

Funnily enough, the only thing he really got my attention with pre-Tarantino was this IKEA ad:

mrsdracula 26th-Feb-2013 01:58 pm (UTC)
lol
alanna_zero 27th-Feb-2013 12:28 pm (UTC)
LMAO
ashtraysoul 26th-Feb-2013 02:14 pm (UTC)
ia, seems so random
whiskybars 26th-Feb-2013 05:41 pm (UTC)
ita, he came really far.
christoph 26th-Feb-2013 01:26 pm (UTC)
"thats not a cliche" lol aww
superdogbiter 26th-Feb-2013 01:27 pm (UTC)
go ride your bike pope
hypermuseic9 27th-Feb-2013 12:57 am (UTC)
do you have more christoph icons?? i want to snag a few
christoph 27th-Feb-2013 02:52 am (UTC)
i have all of these



I just made the last two for another user earlier today, so if you want anything specific i'll try to do it for you :)
ballion 26th-Feb-2013 01:27 pm (UTC)
Everytime I'm in Austria as a German I feel like its citizens are the more sophisticated, grown-up versions of us. Here's a recent interview with Waltz (in German) talking about his heritage. http://www.welt.de/kultur/oscar/article113921533/Warum-Christoph-Waltz-kein-Deutscher-sein-will.html
nullteiler 26th-Feb-2013 01:43 pm (UTC)
Why's that? I don't see that much of a difference but Bavaria is on the border to Austria.
Where are you from in Germany?
ballion 26th-Feb-2013 01:46 pm (UTC)
From Hamburg. Irgendwie sind die meisten Österreicher, die ich erlebt habe viel freundlicher und irgendwie nicht so mürrisch? Vielleicht ist der Kontrast auch nur so groß, weil die Leute in Hamburg immer hektischer und unfreundlicher werden!
kaiserschmarrn 26th-Feb-2013 01:48 pm (UTC)
Austrians have a better sense of humor but the fact that parts of the country are also openly racist prohibits them from being the grown-up version of anything tbh.
mrsdracula 26th-Feb-2013 01:59 pm (UTC)
they are also more racist versions of us. Tyvm
ashtraysoul 26th-Feb-2013 02:17 pm (UTC)
lol I've lived in both countrie for several years and while I love many things about Austrians and many Ausrian individuals they are very backwards as a country (not to mention racist)
kajsa87 26th-Feb-2013 02:34 pm (UTC)
I'm from the very south of Germany, I've always watched a lot of Austrian tv and Austria is (geographically) a lot closer to me than most of Germany so for me the North of Germany feels a lot more a different country than Austria does, if that makes sense.
megedeborch 26th-Feb-2013 03:27 pm (UTC)
Well, different strokes and all ...
latexana 26th-Feb-2013 01:35 pm (UTC)
wait, he was born and raised in vienna and didn't have a austrian citizenship until his first oscar? what even?
mandramoddle 26th-Feb-2013 02:10 pm (UTC)
Idk about Austria but I heard in Denmark you have to have some kind of family connection of some sort before you can become a citizen, even if you were born in the country. Maybe they have the same laws there, or something. The article says his dad is German and has German citizenship and really had no ties to Austria.

Get it? I'm really bad at explaining. lol
fraubluecher 26th-Feb-2013 02:20 pm (UTC)
His mother is Austrian, so I'd say that's some kind of connection...
crazyventures 26th-Feb-2013 02:20 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure about Austria but a lot of countries tie citizenship by blood. The United States is actually one of the few where you're considered a citizen at birth if you were physically born in the territory, regardless of your parent's status.

Edited at 2013-02-26 02:21 pm (UTC)
beemo 26th-Feb-2013 02:26 pm (UTC)
a lot of ~old world~ countries base citizenship on parentage/descent rather than where you were born
malocudoviste 26th-Feb-2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
yeah idgi,I have a friend whose both parents are both croats born in croatia,but he was born in austria and only has austrian citizenship (because apparently don't allow dual citizenship). and he's been living in croatia since age six.
editnoir 26th-Feb-2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
He probably didn't feel like going through the hassle, tbh. I'm sure once Austria offered, the process was a million times easier.

I'm not criticizing Austria, Germany makes it extremely difficult to become a dual citizen. I eventually had to denounce my citizenship with Germany in 2005 because I just couldn't deal with the endless justification of trying to get grandfathered in to certain policies and protocols that came into play after I was born so that I wouldn't be penalized by the country.

Eugh. I get stressed thinking about it.
belkisa 26th-Feb-2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
When I got my Austrian citizenship I had to give up my Bosnian citizenship. You can't have two in Austria, which sucks :/ I always felt more Bosnian. Since he has a German citizenship it doesn't really matter for him, because they're both European. The only difference, that it makes is, that he can't vote in Austria without the Austrian citizenship, but maybe he doesn't care about that.
ohthyhorror 26th-Feb-2013 01:37 pm (UTC)
I had so many...er thoughts...about him when I was 17
popartpistol 26th-Feb-2013 01:40 pm (UTC)
I never knew the Austrian's and German's hated each other so much until a German family friend went on a rant. She telling me that Austrian's can't speak German properly and all sound like farmers and that it's Austrian's that have no sense of humour.

Also, there's that story about Arnold Schwarzenegger offering to do the German voice dubbing for The Terminator but being rejected because his accent was too course/country sounding.
nullteiler 26th-Feb-2013 01:44 pm (UTC)
Well, many Germans say the same about Bavarians lol
galagooo 26th-Feb-2013 01:47 pm (UTC)
Lol, I visited my relatives in Bavaria and couldn't understand a thing they said because it sounded so different from the German they taught me in undergrad.
onyxobsidian 26th-Feb-2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
Funny, because my Bavarian friend goes on rants about Austrians all the time haha
curse_of_avalon 26th-Feb-2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
OMG was in bavaria often as a kid and had a hard time getting anything they said to me. Same tho in the north.
deborahkla 28th-Feb-2013 02:11 am (UTC)
LOL! You're right. I have a friend who transferred to a uni in Bavaria to complete some requirements to be a translator, and she e-mailed me that she absolutely hates it. To Berliners Bavaria is the equivalent of Alabama or Mississippi in the USA--nothing but hicks. XD

But I can't hate Bavaria because the great baritone-bass Hans Hotter was from Bavaria.
viotyka 26th-Feb-2013 01:47 pm (UTC)
Noooo, Austrians speak beautiful German! It depends where you go, I guess. A Tirol accent is a bit weird, but the Vienna accent is nicer than any accent I've ever heard in Germany.
patiently 26th-Feb-2013 01:56 pm (UTC)
germans are pretty uppity about other germans accents too. my boyf can go on for like 15 minutes in a nuremberg accent and i'm like what is the difference?!
ashtraysoul 26th-Feb-2013 02:21 pm (UTC)
yeah, Germans sometimes say that as if there's ONE German German, which is not true, every German region has their own accent, and as someone who is generally no big fan of accents I can tell you the Berlin accent or Cologne accent is no more pleasant than the Austrian accent
mrsdracula 26th-Feb-2013 02:27 pm (UTC)
the worst German accent is the Saxon one. Ugh, makes my skin crawl. Austrian is lovely.
My accent is flawless though - no competition ;-)
galactoze 26th-Feb-2013 02:33 pm (UTC)
yeah I find that so irritating tbh. Bavarian is so different as Swabian or any other accent. And tbh some Austrian is not far away from Bavarian. I don't get the hate, but Bavarians hate Prussians too, so it's just stupid.
leopard_legs 26th-Feb-2013 02:33 pm (UTC)
the "all sounding like farmers" thing makes me think of when they were dubbing the Terminator films in other languages - obviously, Arnie was eager to be a part of the German dub so he'd have the chance to speak his native language, but they rejected him as he apparently sounds just like a farmer haha
kajsa87 26th-Feb-2013 02:40 pm (UTC)
People actually say stuff like that? I mean, yes of course do Germans and Austrians make fun of each other and are rather competitive (especially when it has to do with sports, but I think that's quite normal between neighbour-countries), but the language-thing is news to me and it's also pretty stupid since there are hardly any people in Germany who speak German completely without any bits of dialect. Maybe it's because I grew up watching a lot of Austrian tv, but I prefer some of the Austrian dialects over lots of the German ones.
toshi_hakari 26th-Feb-2013 02:46 pm (UTC)
The same thing exists vice versa tbh. My co-workers here (Austria) are a prime example of that. But then again, they can't pronounce any slightly foreign sounding name and think China and Japan are the same thing, so I'm not even bothering anymore to correct them or get upset.
belkisa 26th-Feb-2013 04:01 pm (UTC)
I grew up in Austria and learned German the way it is written (High German) and it was so difficult later to learn the dialect too. They pronounce or say the words completely differently than its written. It's weird, because even some Austrians don't understand other Austrians, who come for example from Tirol, which has I think the strongest accent. Germany has some strange dialects too, that resemble some of the Austrian dialect so they aren't any better tbh.
evawhimsy 27th-Feb-2013 07:52 pm (UTC)
people just love to feel superior in any way tbh.
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