ONTD

Now I know it is silly for me write this, but I can't help myself: We're calling Clive "queen" less than a week after he came out as bisexual? It's inaccurate, for one thing, and it makes me a little uncomfortable. I'm just saying.


Anyhow, I agree with the gist of your comment 100%.

HS can be really sensible.

negl, ~chick~ stood out to me as well

gross. what else does your stepdad say/do that makes him a major misogynist jw

I think it's just how some older dudes talk imo

I noted that too, and I was just contemplating why I personally don't mind "chick" but have an aversion towards "bird".

I think it's because I associate "chick" with American pop culture and it's not an expression used where I come from, whereas "bird" is.

/context

lmao shut up

I've never heard of chick being offensive before. Could you fill me in because my GWS classes never touched on it.

I put it on the same level with dude.

if there's a tone~~ to it then yeah...but in the context of what howard said it doesn't read like it would. i also consider it akin to the word "dude"

It's better than "girl" tbh.

I call most of my close female friend chick or chicky. Most of them are Spanish speaking, so I think I sort of whited-up 'chica'

really? I use that word occasionally and never thought of it as an offensive term, nor would I ever be offended by it? To me it's on par with calling a guy "that dude" or w/e.

i think if it was someone else saying it i would maybe see it as condescending but given that its howard stern and i would say that he typically speaks in an informal, casual way i'm more inclined to think he means nothing by it

it depends on the context, but i don't generally find that term offensive. i feel like it's just more casual and almost a term of endearment, like a buddy term. does that make sense?

broad and "female" are more annoying to me.

I second this question. I cba to search through 5 million posts.

iirc he was shitting on her for that "my december" album and how he told her that it wouldn't be successful and that she was crying about it when they'd discuss it and basically saying that she was being a baby about how he knew better than she did and thought she should sing someone else's music instead of writing her own. it was definitely a dick move imo, especially considering i was under the impression that album was pretty well-liked.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/75611546.html

basically clive is bully who is trying to rewrite history to make himself seem better at the expensive of kelly.

But they do play a big part.

Lbr, fans and artists alike are quick to blame management when a commercial release fails.

specially in this case, since she won a television show, not spotted by some producer.

Meh.

Management/labels play a massive part in making an artist, in particular in the commercial pop genre. It's often the case of powers that be seeking out a "tomboy type" or a "vulnerable Fiona Apple type but commercial" or something similar and then seek out the people to fill that role that has been considered as having commercial potential in the music market right now, rather than the artists being truly discovered. That person is then groomed with selecting the right songwriters, stylists and label coughing up enough payola, in particular at the beginning of their careers when they are still young and easily led.

Obviously in the end it does come to the artist, whether the public embraces them or not, but management/labels do play a huge part.

(Kelly's career obviously doesn't completely follow this pattern because of AI, but generally speaking).

Especially in Kelly's sake, since she won idol. It's not like he exactly discover her.

just a bit

But, yes, I did cry in his office once. I cried after I played him a song I had written about my life called "Because Of You." I cried because he hated it and told me verbatim that I was a "sh*tty writer who should be grateful for the gifts that he bestows upon me." He continued on about how the song didn't rhyme and how I should just shut up and sing. This was devastating coming from a man who I, as a young girl, considered a musical hero and was so honored to work with.

Every time I hear Clive Davis, I immediately think of Whitney and vice versa.

how though?

kelly has been saying this for a while now and she's 100% not the person to go out and seek publicity.

I remember him trashing My December HARD back when it came out, and the album really suffered because of the lack of label support. I think there's a lot of truth to him being a dick with her.

not at all... who does this benefit? It discredits his book and only makes this drama rehashed. This was an issue bak in 2007.

How?

Did you happen to make a wish to someone you've never met before? You gotta be careful about that. There's vengeance demons everywhere.

People tend to make howard out to be some terrible person but hes great at interviews and seems like a rational person.

basically said for some of her biggest hits that clive was the reason they happened. Tried to make her out to be this little brat who cried in his office to not get 'because of you' put on the album, but clive said yes and it was a huge hit. But according to Kelly that isn't the story. Kelly tried to get permission to change sound of it but Clive said it didn't sound good, and when they finally let her change it, it was one of her biggest hits.

lol me too. I was certain there would be at least one comment about her looks thrown in there.

ha true

He's been a fan of hers since the first season of idol.

I think Howard is actually an intelligent guy who has learned how to portray a character on radio for commercial success.

I'm no less offended by the things he says while earning his bread when he does say offensive and idiotic things, but I'm never surprised when he forms a coherent, reasoned, and fair response to something.

mte

seriously

same. I actually really like Howard in spite of how problematic and gross he can (because he gives an amazing interview), but he generally has a good point/general thought but tosses in shitty things.

because it's so different from the commentary on ONTD. "Oh shes a great actress but how fugly does she look here"

On tuesday during his grammy discussion he said Kelly and Adele need to go to the gym.

I feel bad for you for having a grandfather like that.