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9:42 am - 02/22/2013

Oscar Pistorius will be Released on Bail



JOHANNESBURG, South Africa -- Oscar Pistorius will be released on bail while awaiting trial in the shooting death of his girlfriend, a South African magistrate ruled Friday.

Pistorius, an Olympic and Paralympic track star, is charged with premeditated murder in the death of Reeva Steenkamp.

In a decision that took nearly two hours for him to explain, magistrate Desmond Nair said Pistorius is not a flight risk and does not show "a propensity for violence" or constitute a risk to the community.


"The issue is not guilt but whether the interests of justice (are served) in relation to bail," Nair said. "I am not seized with finding beyond reasonable doubt whether he committed premeditated murder…At this stage, I have to examine the facts the state has presented – right now all the state has right now is circumstantial evidence."

Before issuing the ruling, Nair read a full recap of all statements and evidence in the hearing. He detailed how friends of Pistorius had noted that the couple "hit it off" and "were very much in love." Pistorius sobbed through parts of the hearing.

The defense had to show that "exceptional circumstances" existed for Pistorius to be granted bail.

Police say Pistorius, 26, shot and killed Steenkamp in his bathroom where she was hiding after an argument on Valentine's Day. He says he accidentally shot Steenkamp because he thought she was an intruder.

Prosecutors argued before Nair's ruling that Pistorius is a flight risk.

"(Pistorius) is treating it as, 'Let me go, let me carry on my business as usual," prosecutor Gerrie Nel said. "But it can't be business as usual."

But Pistorius, a double amputee, isn't a flight risk because his prosthetic legs "need maintenance and adjustment on a monthly basis," defense lawyer Barry Roux said.

Legal experts say the trial is at least months away. When the case goes to trial, a judge will decide Pistorius' fate. There are no jury trials in criminal cases in South Africa.

Roux introduced culpable homocide as a possible charge for Pistorius.

"He did not want to kill Reeva. He had no intent to kill Reeva," Roux said.


The fourth day in court was more subdued than earlier in the week when the hearing resembled a full-blown trial with detailed arguments and evidence presented by both sides.

Pistorius' case took a dramatic turn Thursday as police announced that lead investigator Hilton Botha has been replaced. Botha, who testified earlier in the week, faces attempted murder charges from a 2011 case. The charges stem from an incident in which Botha and two other police officers allegedly shot at a minibus they were trying to stop.

The charges revealed against Botha had originally been dropped in March 2012 but were reinstated Feb. 4. Nel said he learned about the charges Wednesday.

The decision to remove Botha from the case came a day after the detective appeared to damage the prosecution's case against Pistorius. Botha testified that police have found nothing inconsistent with Pistorius' account of the events that led to Steenkamp's death.

Earlier in the hearing, Botha said needles and testosterone were found in Pistorius' bedroom. The defense said the substance was herbal. A spokesman for South Africa's National Prosecution Agency said the substance is still being tested.

In spite of the prosecution's missteps, many South Africans, riveted by the case, are more convinced of Pistorius' guilt than his story.

"All his stories sound like lies," said Ryan George, 28, of Johannesburg

Others said Pistorius, a national hero in South Africa, assumes that his celebrity status affords him special protection and that he will probably get away with murder.

"No doubt that he wanted to kill her," said Andre Van Biljoen, 54, of Johannesburg. "If you look at his attitude at the Paralympics, you can see this guy is a narcissist."

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reginageorge 22nd-Feb-2013 03:04 pm (UTC)
i....can't............

bodylikemind 22nd-Feb-2013 03:04 pm (UTC)
ugh this guy
ericasays 22nd-Feb-2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
there's a joke in there about him not being a flight risk but i'm not sure i want to be the one who makes it
la_petite_singe 22nd-Feb-2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I thought of that too, ngl. Backin' outta this one.
for_serious13 22nd-Feb-2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
I thought it too haha
t3pps 22nd-Feb-2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
Come sit by me in Hell because I totally thought they should have made him surrender his legs.
ebenista 22nd-Feb-2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
creative_candy 22nd-Feb-2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
omg i ugly laughed.can i join you?
misoras 22nd-Feb-2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
someone made a joke about him having to wear an ankle bracelet and it took me a min and i swear ;~;
calinewarkwc69 22nd-Feb-2013 04:35 pm (UTC)
You know what they say....

If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, come sit next to me. ;-)
whiskybars 22nd-Feb-2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
can't say this shocks me
teenageriot16 22nd-Feb-2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
IA. Straight white men can get away with anything.
untxi 22nd-Feb-2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
Um, O.J. Simpson?
More like rich, powerful, influential men. Race has nothing to do with it.
nicolesnitchie 22nd-Feb-2013 07:03 pm (UTC)
*white people
theitalianchick 22nd-Feb-2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
what the hell
la_petite_singe 22nd-Feb-2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
I just saw this on my phone and went O____________o. I mean, I don't think he's likely to murder anyone else any time soon, but it's still pretty fucked up. Hope the rest of the trial goes better than this.
slaygalthessily 23rd-Feb-2013 05:34 am (UTC)
i don't think it will. i mean, other then he being who he is, the case is already gone crazy with the lead detective being thrown off the case after being charged with attempt at murder.
therearewords 22nd-Feb-2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
Yes, wtf Botha. How the majority is going for Fallen Super Sporter instead of domestic violence. This entire thing ..urgh.
mwffj 22nd-Feb-2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
Not surprising given that the prosecution fell the fuck apart yesterday.
eaglefan2011 22nd-Feb-2013 05:43 pm (UTC)
mte
ea_86 22nd-Feb-2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
Ugh.

bardotlashes 22nd-Feb-2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
Place your bets--how soon is he jumping on a private plane to Switzerland? I say by the end of the weekend.
goldengal1193 22nd-Feb-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
I was thinking he will either

a) feel guilty and kill himself.

Or b) be the arrogant shit that he is and run for it


I say b.
anchellada 22nd-Feb-2013 03:22 pm (UTC)
i really dont see a happening
pdebevoise 22nd-Feb-2013 03:30 pm (UTC)
I'm going to edit this before it gets misinterpreted. Basically, I don't think he'll kill himself.

Edited at 2013-02-22 03:35 pm (UTC)
gillianinoz 22nd-Feb-2013 09:35 pm (UTC)
This spoiled brat won't run and hasn't the guts to top himself. No doubt he confidently expects to get away with this the same way he's gotten away with everything his whole life.

queenbathory 22nd-Feb-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
yup lol
xdecadentx 22nd-Feb-2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
IDK why I don't think he'll do this, but he'll get off anyway.
zeriyx 22nd-Feb-2013 03:29 pm (UTC)
i'm sure he had to surrender his passport
invisible_cunt 22nd-Feb-2013 05:21 pm (UTC)
this article completely omits the fact that he can't even leave pretoria without supervision and had to surrender his passport

Edited at 2013-02-22 05:22 pm (UTC)
goldengal1193 22nd-Feb-2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
This whole thing is a fucking mess. The South African "justice" system really needs to pull it together.





Also, RIP Reeva Steenkamp.
drop_and_roll 22nd-Feb-2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
I feel dirty for agreeing with Piers Morgan, but I agree with him here *shudders*
Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan

If anyone's ever wondered if expensive lawyers are worth their fees - ask Oscar #Pistorius right now.


Given the crime he's charged with, there are supposed to be exceptional circumstances for bail to be granted. What are those circumstances?

Edited at 2013-02-22 03:11 pm (UTC)
poisoned_summer 22nd-Feb-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
um

he has no legs
drop_and_roll 22nd-Feb-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
And? There are plenty of disabled prisoners in South Africa. Most of them aren't as rich as Oscar though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/22/paraplegic-remand-south-africa

If that guy can be in prison while awaiting trial for a much lesser crime, it's clearly not considered an exceptional circumstance in South Africa. Not to mention the magistrate didn't even mention it when giving his reasons for granting bail.
youaremy_ending 22nd-Feb-2013 03:20 pm (UTC)
If he can compete in the olympics on his prosthetics having "no legs" really shouldn't be an exceptional circumstance. Unless they would take his prosthetics away. I know cases of US inmates having prosthetic legs but maybe it is different in SA.
anchellada 22nd-Feb-2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
uh. he was in the olympics.
dubiously 22nd-Feb-2013 06:48 pm (UTC)
Yea, I actually agree with this ruling; I don't think he's a flight risk. I may eat my words in a few days, but I think he's just too recognizable to get away without some massive conspiracy of people helping him to run.
littlehayzay 22nd-Feb-2013 03:37 pm (UTC)
Nvm, I just saw where it said that - but the magistrate went through and said 'none of these things were met so there's not a sufficient reason not to grant bail'

Edited at 2013-02-22 03:41 pm (UTC)
invisible_cunt 22nd-Feb-2013 05:24 pm (UTC)
well this article completely omits the fact that he had to surrender his passport and guns, can't return to his house where the murder happened, and can't even leave pretoria without supervised accompaniment
bardotlashes 22nd-Feb-2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
I found this bit from NBC News about Oscar's vs. the prosecution's versions of that night:

And Nel (prosecutor) questioned why Steenkamp would have stayed silent and not alerted Pistorius that she was in the bathroom.

“Why would she not have shouted, 'Where are you (Oscar)? What's going on?’” Nel said. “She did not say a word, she did not scream, she did nothing! I think that's improbable ... It's not true!"

In a statement read to the court on Tuesday, Pistorius described waking up and and going to his bedroom balcony to bring a fan inside and close the sliding glass doors and blinds. After hearing a noise in the bathroom, the double-amputee said he felt "a sense of terror" and feared a prowler was in the house.

Pistorius' account added:

"I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted at Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light. Reeva was not responding.

"When I reached the bed, I realized that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet."

The prosecutor argued Friday that the runner’s attitude to the case had been “I’ve done nothing wrong.”

Nel said he was “not saying the murder of Reeva Steenkamp was planned days in advance, weeks in advance,” but certainly earlier that night.

He also questioned why someone who was concerned about burglaries would sleep with open doors and windows.
goldengal1193 22nd-Feb-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
"And Nel (prosecutor) questioned why Steenkamp would have stayed silent and not alerted Pistorius that she was in the bathroom."


This was my biggest question too.



And he's such a fucking liar, omg. How the fuck did she not respond when he said "Reeva phone the police"? Bull-fucking-shit. And he's claiming she didn't scream anything when he fired those shots? Oh okay......wooooow. Piece of dog shit.
cityxpretty 22nd-Feb-2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
Umm why wouldn't he have waited to see who this burglar actually was before firing? Come onnnnnnn people.

I could never go into law. My mind can't handle this mess lol.
ericasays 22nd-Feb-2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
why wouldn't he have waited to see who this burglar actually was before firing?

to be fair, if i thought someone had broken into my apartment and was in my bathroom, i'm not waiting for them to come any closer to me before i smash their face in.

but that's exactly how family members get shot in "home invasion" scenarios. itchy trigger finger and all that.
_myaugust 22nd-Feb-2013 04:06 pm (UTC)
I would not be waiting for the burglar to show face especially if I was living on my own.
libre_m 22nd-Feb-2013 11:24 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, the one thing I can think of is that South Africa has some pretty horrendous crime rates. The richer suburbs, in particular, can be host to some particularly violent robberies and usually such robberies are committed by a number of people, not just one intruder. IMO, it's not unreasonable to think that there was a burglar in the house, and once you're mentally in that position, that your home is being invaded, it's not unreasonable to consider that there is more than one intruder. I mean, have you ever woken up disoriented in the middle of the night? However, there's still the link between this fear/speculation and the actual firing because the prosecutor so far is focusing on the fact that Pistorius obviously meant to *kill* 'whomever was in the bathroom' whether or not it was his girlfriend.

Then there's the fact that if they had a fight earlier in the evening, it's not unreasonable for her to possibly not go to sleep in the same bed/room as him, or to later move beds/room. (This is pure anecdotal speculation from my parents and my relationships: big fight, probs don't want to share a bed). So he wakes up, his girlfriend isn't in the bed with him, but this doesn't necessarily mean she's in the bathroom.. So he drawss the conclusion that it's an intruder.

I'm not defending him. Rather, all we *know* is that he fired shots into the bathroom, Reeva was in the bathroom, and now Reeva is dead. Just speculation how the defence just has to get over the reasonable doubt argument, and how they may actually be able to reasonably do so.
la_petite_singe 22nd-Feb-2013 03:26 pm (UTC)
He also questioned why someone who was concerned about burglaries would sleep with open doors and windows.

...See, normally I'd say that sounds like unreasonable victim-blaming, but if he's using the burglar thing to lie about murder...
d00ditsemily 22nd-Feb-2013 03:26 pm (UTC)
Like why does she have to tell him she's going to the bathroom? She's going to the fucking bathroom. Why doesn't he think 'oh maybe my girlfriend is going to the bathroom'
bittermunchkin 22nd-Feb-2013 03:47 pm (UTC)
This shit. In what world has self-defense become an excuse for when you are the one coming at someone, shooting at them in a closed bathroom? Self-defense would be if you'd attempted to escape and they came out of the bathroom after you, and that is all that it should be.
invisible_cunt 22nd-Feb-2013 05:26 pm (UTC)
security systems, dude
someone of his level of fame wouldn't live in a house without a security system
sarahfer 22nd-Feb-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
I'm slightly terrified that the investigative team is going to fuck up somehow and a bunch of evidence will have to be thrown out.

I watch too much Law & Order.
pikapika217 22nd-Feb-2013 03:16 pm (UTC)
RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES
lestat 22nd-Feb-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
waiting on the episode rn
fakevoices 22nd-Feb-2013 03:22 pm (UTC)
they have already started to fuck up
la_petite_singe 22nd-Feb-2013 03:27 pm (UTC)
Tbh when I first heard this story my fourth or so thought was "oh no, Dick Wolf is scribbling furiously right now and this'll be an episode by next season."
untxi 22nd-Feb-2013 05:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, but they have already. :(
This is going to end badly imo.
elijahxwhore 22nd-Feb-2013 03:13 pm (UTC)
this sucks
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