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2:36 pm - 02/19/2013

Lena Dunham made me a feminist



by Nathan Walker

Mere seconds after tweeting that my pitch to write this article was accepted, some random guy on Twitter had this to say to me: "Lena Dunham is the voice of a masturbatory, hyper-self & her pathological titty baring represents Generation Shit."

I mean, such vitriole and hate for a woman who makes a comedic television show that you can't even watch on public TV!?!?

For years now, my wife has insisted that I'm a feminist despite my arguments that I'm not. She says that since I believe a woman has the right to work for the same pay as any man that I'm inherently a feminist. My half-hearted response was that I couldn't possibly be. I've never read any feminist literature, never participated in a rally, and I certainly can't stand behind the idea that a woman can do everything a man can (or vice versa). To be clear though, I do believe in equal rights, equal pay for equal work and that, intellectually men and women are equals. I also totally love the way women look naked. So, I couldn't possibly be a feminist, right?

In steps, Lena Dunham and her show that you've no doubt heard all about by now, Girls. A show that I personally find to be wildly entertaining despite the fact that the male characters make my skin crawl. Girls instantly became quite controversial as it's a comedic television show that is breaking new ground by depicting the lives of young, white people in their 20s. Also, it's the only TV show where there's no ethnic diversity. Oh, and and and, it's the only TV show that attempts to take a humorous look at the lives of people transitioning from childhood into adulthood. Oh, jeesh, I forgot it's also the only television show that allows women to be on camera naked. Shit! One more thing, it's also the only TV show that focuses on people of enough privilege and money that they can waste their days away following their whims.


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kamikashi 19th-Feb-2013 08:52 pm (UTC)
why must people think its so bad to be a feminist? :[
forkmeup 19th-Feb-2013 08:58 pm (UTC)
it's not that... it's just that SHE'S the one who made him a "feminist" (which i don't even think she is).
kamikashi 19th-Feb-2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
oh i dont mean in this post, sorta in general. actually i guess i mean this post since this writer seems so adverse to be labeled a feminist even with his sarcasm.

i also feel like people put up too many rules to what makes a feminist a feminist.
lanavis 19th-Feb-2013 10:07 pm (UTC)
B/c feminism has a history - that continues today - of direct and indirect exclusion and neglect?
Feminism is innately biased?
Also, there are other ways you can be for women's rights w/o being a feminist, such as womanism, egalitarianism, and humanism?
myrrhmade 19th-Feb-2013 08:52 pm (UTC)
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lovealwaysliana 19th-Feb-2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
yup
tadashee 19th-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
I guess here specifically I feel like she gets more criticism because the posts about it are so frequent. I will say that I think the lack of diversity I the writing staff and cast of the mindy project are disappointing. Mindy is the only person of color on that show and the only female on the writing staff. It's bizarre to me that it has gotten the same levels of criticism that Lena has gotten. I think it maybe because its not as successful so I guess there wasn't really an point in wasting energy over it beyond the initial criticisms. Idk. I actually like tv show, but still find it disappointing.
fivil 19th-Feb-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm torn because I really like Mindy but is it so hard to have another poc in the regular cast or among one of the guys the main character dates (since I feel like the main conceit of the sitcom is that she's going to go through dating different guys even though we know she'll end up with Danny in the end) or more female writers (I didn't know she was the only one, wow). I keep telling myself it's early days for the show..
blueboatdreams 19th-Feb-2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
ty
crystalzelda 19th-Feb-2013 09:16 pm (UTC)
Even Bunheads got the treatment, and like who even cares about Bunheads lbr (cue 3 outraged stans or smthg)

The criticism is there, people just didn't go looking for it so they can conveniently claimed that people are being seww unfair to Girls.
drunkagron 19th-Feb-2013 10:58 pm (UTC)
Even Dawson's Creek if you want to go way back. Or Friends.
velvetunicorn 20th-Feb-2013 03:09 am (UTC)
i think the difference is that it's aimed directly at her and we know who she is. It's not like it was aimed at the show itself. Of course, she the writer/producer as well so since she has some control over the content she should be held responsible.
lockupmytears 19th-Feb-2013 08:54 pm (UTC)
Eh, you don't need to be a feminist to be supportive of women's rights. I agree with practical feminism, for equal work and pay and such but I hate how feminism theory has poisoned feminism's connotation as an extremist group.
thecanuckian 19th-Feb-2013 09:11 pm (UTC)
ONTD and Tumblr aren't helping the cause TBH
lockupmytears 19th-Feb-2013 09:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah they both like circlejerking about how men and white people are the literally evil.

Edited at 2013-02-19 09:24 pm (UTC)
lanavis 19th-Feb-2013 10:08 pm (UTC)
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altho I argue that women already have equal pay to men when both are in the SAME work with the SAME experience/skills and time invested into the work. (ignoring the outliers when some women are discriminated against by some men and are unable to sue those men successfully).
licorrice 19th-Feb-2013 08:54 pm (UTC)
Seaux vile
bellarouze 19th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
so, he's a feminist because he likes to see women naked
logan_lerman 19th-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
makes sense
superdogbiter 19th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
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billsolomon 19th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
And once again WoC are completely ignored by cracker feminists, because crackers obv invented feminism and everything. rmfe
sapphirespells 19th-Feb-2013 08:56 pm (UTC)
she made you a feminist, tho?
theactualworst 19th-Feb-2013 08:56 pm (UTC)
I want to set fire to things.
forkmeup 19th-Feb-2013 08:56 pm (UTC)
oh PLEASE.
x_butterfly19_x 19th-Feb-2013 08:57 pm (UTC)
If Lena Dunham led his to his insights, that's ok
ellie_andrews 19th-Feb-2013 08:57 pm (UTC)
You tried.

I guess.

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invisible_cunt 20th-Feb-2013 01:32 am (UTC)
i cannot believe saul goodman was michael 2.0 last week
smokesinatra 19th-Feb-2013 08:58 pm (UTC)
he has one valid point here

and that's that girls DOES get a LOT of criticism solely for the fact that lena is a young "unattractive" female. obviously there is valid criticism for this show (bc it's a piece of shit) but I've come across hate for girls based entirely on the fact that lena is a chick and ~burnz my eyez she's sooooo ugly~~~

my roommmate last year was a dude and he LOVED game of thrones and HATED girls. he'd walk out of the room when I watched it because lena is "an awful person who is awful to look at to boot" lol ok bro go jerk off to daenerys in your room
fivil 19th-Feb-2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
One of my male friends told me I should watch Girls, he loves it, apart from that "the main girl takes off her clothes, it's so unnecessary".

If that's your sole criticism, gtfo. (I probably need better male friends..)
robotpotatoes 19th-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
uhm im pretty sure Entourage had a shitload of criticisms, more than Girls...
holyfrijoles_2 19th-Feb-2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure like the entire feminist blogosphere went in on Entourage super hard.
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