mixed reviews? mixed??? ignore any negative reviews of this show, it is GREAT and you should watch it. You will be hooked instantly, trust me. The writing is amazing, the acting is amazing, everything about it is so, so captivating and great.
Ommggg Mickey kissed Ian! I almost died. It was perfect.
Tonight's episode was great imo. I loved when Ian confronted Lip about Mandy, and Debbie's revenge with the sand. NO to the turkey baster scene. Steve is an asshole and can his father plz go away now.
I just wanted to quickly scroll through the post to get a glimpse of what happened and my computer froze on your comment, lol. Damn it, but :D. Can't wait to watch it now.
Everything you said is accurate, Ian was awesome this ep, and Debbie was so, so badass. What a great actress that girl is, my god. When she was crying in the bathroom, I totally felt her pain.
Although srsly do pre-teen girls really act that way? Do they really give that many shits about some random strange girl that hangs out at the pool that they dont even know, enough to terrorize her that badly? I guess it's possible.
Gurl, don't even. I'm still pissed. Not at him being bi, but at just suddenly becoming bi out of the blue. I would not have minded it as much if he had some actual good gay relationships beforehand.
She's got major emotional problems. She kidnapped a baby when she felt lonely after Aunt Ginger went back to the home, beat up her dad with a bag of rocks I think it was, and tried to drown someone for picking on her. I wouldn't call that normal.
i know she was bipolar in the UK version so i'm wondering if they're going down that path here too or maybe she wasn't idk i read it somewhere but i could be mixing shit up
ITA about the voicemail. I wonder if that's the writers giving Lip closure or if she'll come back eventually. I wouldn't mind if she came back and tried to be good again but if they had her back to cause hell it would just be stupid.
She's a sweet, emotional kid who never had the opportunity to learn how to interact with people properly. When you think about it, Ian is way too well-adjusted for that family.
I'm kind of more on Fiona's side when it comes to Jimmy's whining, since I think he's a scumbag, but the "why don't you go cry to your gay dad about it" line was painful
and I really hope they don't just write off Molly someone who was brainwashed by her mother, and call her 'him' etc., since she seems to like being a girl
also after this episode I'm just waiting for Karen to come back...
i clapped at that line, ngl. he's such an asshole. he's "there" for her but he can't be honest with her about anything going on in his life until he needs to whine to someone about his dad's sexuality. then they get in one fight and he goes to fuck someone else? nope. fuck him.
I also thought that when she woke up the next morning, Jimmy was gonna be digging up the lawn to like somewhat show that he understands where she's coming from. They're destroying that relationship for me realllllly fast.
I'm totally Team Fiona on that one. Like, I get it would be jarring, but his parents hated each other anyways, it's not like he'd looked like a loving doting husband and was actually diddling dudes.
I'm not sure how I feel about the Molly thing either, like I loved that she was a little trans girl, the conversation she had with Debbie last week just was so beyond cute (yeah but I'm a girl, so it's my girl penis).
Ugh, I hope Karen is gone. I'm just sick of Lip's plots at this point.
Jimmy is a douchebag. He goes and cheats on her? Because she doesn't have time to deal with his daddy problem in the middle of digging up a dead body? Ugh.
I haaate Jimmy. It seriously bugs me that he's the main love interest on the show, since he is so terrible. UK Steve wasn't perfect, but he truly adored Fiona AND her family.
That being said, I thought she was a little unfair with all of that. Yes, he was whiny and it wasn't attractive. Yes, it seemed petty compared to their problems. But these people live a life full of shit - all of his problems are going to seem petty. That doesn't mean they should all be dismissed. For most people, finding out that your father has been cheating on your mother for years with a wide assortment of men, including teenagers, would be pretty jarring. Just let him bitch without belittling his feelings.
...But then he's the biggest douchebag in the world, so whatever, belittle him. And dump him. Fuck JimmySteve.
Totally. Jimmy does have a point but he's been whining about his gay dad for DAYS. Yeah, his world was rocked but she WAS listening to him. She just didn't make his thing a priority in her life. She does play "my tragedy is worse than your tragedy" but to be fair, her tragedies are SO EXTREME. The idea of finding out your dad is gay is such a non-issue to her compared to everything else. Jimmy just needs perspective.
As for Molly, yeah. At first I thought maybe she was a transgendered girl whose mom was encouraging her to explore the fluidity of her gender. But nope... she was essentially just raised that way because of her mom's mental disorder. It's really complicated but she does seem to embrace being a girl at this point so... yeah. Really interested to see where they're going to go with that.
That turkey baster scene was funny as hell. I'll be doing that in about 6 years when my wife and I want a baby, I'm totally putting my buddy in the closet to do it too now. LOL
This episode was so good, and now I need it to be next week!!! SO MUCH IS HAPPENING, OMG!!!
I totally ate a pillow when Mickey kissed Ian. Steve can go now, but his dad is hilarious so I don't mind if he stays, plus he's putting the heat on Mickey so keep up the good work sir!
Poor Fiona, how she doesn't have bleeding ulcers is completely beyond me.
yuuuup. He is literally the worst. I dont think I have ever seen a more self-centered, selfish, manipulative person on tv ever. EVER. But I like that the kids dont even bother to try to help him anymore. Like in season 1, they would pull his unconscious ass out of the snow so he wouldn't die. Now they wont. It's good. (Except for Debbie who really needs to work through some shit mentally, my god.)
God, I fucking can't stand Mandy at all. Maybe if the actress wasn't so unbearable but jesus...
Lip and Mady would never work because he needs someone who can at least somewhat keep up with him mentally. That was the only good thing about Karen until they destroyed her character.
lmao, really? at least mandy actually cares about lip's education and wants him to go to college and better himself. karen didn't give a fuck about any of that.
Yeah, Mandy cares about Lip's education because when she has a boyfriend her life entirely revolves around that person, as they showed in this episode. She has no self-identity at all.
I'm not saying I want Lip with Karen, but I hate Mandy as a substitute and I'd prefer if they put him in a relationship with a likable character who had a personality.
I don't agree. I think Karen cared about him going to college. The difference is that Mandy wants to push Lip there and ride his coattails. (I'm not judging - she comes from an abusive household, ride those coattails and get the fuck out of dodge, girl.) Karen, however, knew (or believed) she wouldn't be taken along for the ride. He would leave her. So she regularly pushed him away. And very clearly did not want to hold him back.
Both girls are looking out for themselves. It makes sense that since Mandy's version is to attach herself to Lip, it would be in her best interests to further his. And it would be in Karen's best interests to focus on herself.
I really liked Karen, so I'm hopeful this was all foreshadowing that she was coming back, and not just a plot to show Lip letting her go so he can really be with Mandy now.
I don't think I was nearly as bothered as most of the posters here were by Karen last season. Yes, she could be a bitch. But she was dealing with a lot, and giving up her baby. I think people mistook her coldness for being evil, but I think it's very common for mothers about to give up their babies to become cold and appear mean and unfeeling. It's their way of distancing themselves from their reality. And I DEFINITELY supported her desire to give the baby to social services instead of her mother. She spent her whole life taking care of her mother. If her mother took the baby, Karen would have ended up right where she didn't want to be - taking care of a baby. Because clearly Sheila isn't equipped - she is oblivious to the fact that Frank is drugging the poor kid! It's sick. The baby would have been MUCH better off with Social Services, where the chances of finding a home for a newborn, even with Down's, are still very good.
Omg I know, I died too. I was SCREAMING. Like, every horrible thing that could possibly be happening, happened when CPS was there.
Pulling a bullet out of some guy's ass Digging a dead body out of a front lawn that literally smells like shit Debbie bragging about almost drowning a girl Babies EVERYWHERE screaming and crying Everyone covered head-to-toe in mud
and there was probably more. I was just like omg. And now next week they get sent to live with some crazy-ass foster parents?! AHHHHH I NEED IT TO BE NEXT WEEK NOW
I seriously can not believe it.
Only on Shameless can I be presented with the prospect of a character's daughter also being her sister and think, "Yeah, that makes sense."
Tonight's episode was great imo. I loved when Ian confronted Lip about Mandy, and Debbie's revenge with the sand.
NO to the turkey baster scene.
Steve is an asshole and can his father plz go away now.
I can't wait for next week!
Everything you said is accurate, Ian was awesome this ep, and Debbie was so, so badass. What a great actress that girl is, my god. When she was crying in the bathroom, I totally felt her pain.
Although srsly do pre-teen girls really act that way? Do they really give that many shits about some random strange girl that hangs out at the pool that they dont even know, enough to terrorize her that badly? I guess it's possible.
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I'm still pissed. Not at him being bi, but at just suddenly becoming bi out of the blue. I would not have minded it as much if he had some actual good gay relationships beforehand.
Poor Deb is going nuts. I wonder if they'll diagnose her with a mental illness of some sort.
Edited at 2013-02-18 06:14 am (UTC)
or maybe she wasn't idk i read it somewhere but i could be mixing shit up
Edited at 2013-02-18 06:17 am (UTC)
and I really hope they don't just write off Molly someone who was brainwashed by her mother, and call her 'him' etc., since she seems to like being a girl
also after this episode I'm just waiting for Karen to come back...
the line just echoed something that was said to me once, and I guess that's why I reacted negatively
I'm not sure how I feel about the Molly thing either, like I loved that she was a little trans girl, the conversation she had with Debbie last week just was so beyond cute (yeah but I'm a girl, so it's my girl penis).
Ugh, I hope Karen is gone. I'm just sick of Lip's plots at this point.
Jimmy is a douchebag. He goes and cheats on her? Because she doesn't have time to deal with his daddy problem in the middle of digging up a dead body? Ugh.
That being said, I thought she was a little unfair with all of that. Yes, he was whiny and it wasn't attractive. Yes, it seemed petty compared to their problems. But these people live a life full of shit - all of his problems are going to seem petty. That doesn't mean they should all be dismissed. For most people, finding out that your father has been cheating on your mother for years with a wide assortment of men, including teenagers, would be pretty jarring. Just let him bitch without belittling his feelings.
...But then he's the biggest douchebag in the world, so whatever, belittle him. And dump him. Fuck JimmySteve.
As for Molly, yeah. At first I thought maybe she was a transgendered girl whose mom was encouraging her to explore the fluidity of her gender. But nope... she was essentially just raised that way because of her mom's mental disorder. It's really complicated but she does seem to embrace being a girl at this point so... yeah. Really interested to see where they're going to go with that.
This episode was so good, and now I need it to be next week!!! SO MUCH IS HAPPENING, OMG!!!
I totally ate a pillow when Mickey kissed Ian. Steve can go now, but his dad is hilarious so I don't mind if he stays, plus he's putting the heat on Mickey so keep up the good work sir!
Poor Fiona, how she doesn't have bleeding ulcers is completely beyond me.
Guess whose parts?
Lip and Mady would never work because he needs someone who can at least somewhat keep up with him mentally. That was the only good thing about Karen until they destroyed her character.
I'm not saying I want Lip with Karen, but I hate Mandy as a substitute and I'd prefer if they put him in a relationship with a likable character who had a personality.
Both girls are looking out for themselves. It makes sense that since Mandy's version is to attach herself to Lip, it would be in her best interests to further his. And it would be in Karen's best interests to focus on herself.
she's not as smart as Lip, but I don't think she's dumb
the only thing I'm disappointed about when it comes to her character is that they had to switch actresses
I think Lip would be cute with a nerdy girl somewhere down the road though.
Can't warm up to Mandy at all.
I don't think I was nearly as bothered as most of the posters here were by Karen last season. Yes, she could be a bitch. But she was dealing with a lot, and giving up her baby. I think people mistook her coldness for being evil, but I think it's very common for mothers about to give up their babies to become cold and appear mean and unfeeling. It's their way of distancing themselves from their reality. And I DEFINITELY supported her desire to give the baby to social services instead of her mother. She spent her whole life taking care of her mother. If her mother took the baby, Karen would have ended up right where she didn't want to be - taking care of a baby. Because clearly Sheila isn't equipped - she is oblivious to the fact that Frank is drugging the poor kid! It's sick. The baby would have been MUCH better off with Social Services, where the chances of finding a home for a newborn, even with Down's, are still very good.
Anyway, essay over, just sayin' I like Karen.
i just have a lot of feelings, ok?
Is it just me or was Mickey cleaner this ep, like he wanted to look nice for Ian?
I love this show. I can't help it. I almost died when CPS came in. What a mess.
But I suspect that Mickey must shower every other week, so we just caught him fresh off his bi-monthly cleanse.
Pulling a bullet out of some guy's ass
Digging a dead body out of a front lawn that literally smells like shit
Debbie bragging about almost drowning a girl
Babies EVERYWHERE screaming and crying
Everyone covered head-to-toe in mud
and there was probably more. I was just like omg. And now next week they get sent to live with some crazy-ass foster parents?! AHHHHH I NEED IT TO BE NEXT WEEK NOW