1:31 pm - 02/16/2013

A Conversation With Rihanna's Hair Stylist Ursula Stephen


"Hair brings one's self image into focus; it is vanity's proving ground. Hair is terribly personal, a tangle of mysterious prejudices." -- Shana Alexander, American journalist

Celebrity hairstylist Ursula Stephen cried as we talked about... hair. It caught me off guard as I hadn't considered the possibility of tears during an interview about celebrity cuts and color. What I discovered however, was that Ursula was a woman who was not only well-versed in the mechanics of her craft, but acutely aware its profound social, cultural and political significance. Barely speaking through her tears, we talked about her trip to South Africa where she worked with women of color whose natural hair texture was almost unrecognizable -- marred by years of improper relaxers, no conditioner and an incessant desire to manipulate their hair into straight, Anglo-inspired styles. As she ran her fingers through the hair of women who knew virtually nothing about how to care for their own hair, she understood that their dry, brittle strands were vestiges of their apartheid past. Their hair whispered stories of their history; and Ursula was moved to tears by what she heard.

Despite the fact that Elle magazine has lauded her as "hair royalty," Ursula Stephen remains remarkably humble and painstakingly human. She's yet to allow herself to become jaded or disconnected from the essence of her craft in a haze of global jet setting with one of the biggest popstars on the planet. Her two Vogue covers with Rihanna haven't rendered all else unimportant. She remains firmly grounded -- using her talent as a conduit to help women feel beautiful, empowered and recognize better versions of themselves. From those uncovering their identity soaked in layers of racial injustice, to a pop-princess asserting her power as an icon, Ursula remains equally inspired.

Below are excerpts from my conversation with Ursula Stephen, who proves that in her industry, style does not always trump substance.

Robyn: What are your thoughts on the increasing number of women of color who are choosing to wear their hair in more natural styles? Bloggers like Taryn Guy, Chescaleigh, Urban Bush Babes, Curly Nikki and Hey Fran Hey, have become Internet celebrities and gained huge followings, essentially by sharing their natural hair journey and styling tips.

Ursula: I think the movement that's happening right now is really great. Women are gaining a certain sense of self confidence. For a long time, if you wore your hair natural, people didn't associate you with being pretty, stylish or sexy. And now, with so many different styling options and different products available, it just makes it so much the better for the natural girl to really show her beautiful self.

I'm a hairstylist and I'm down for whatever -- weaves, braids, bald heads, short hair, etc. I appreciate styles for what they are. I think everything is beautiful. Every image. Every picture. Every person. But the fact is that so many women are losing themselves behind weaves and extensions. So I'm happy that women can feel and be beautiful with natural hair because they were losing that sense of themselves for a long time. That's why they were losing their edges and hair because they were becoming essentially dependent on these extensions. They forgot about their own natural hair and how beautiful and how healthy it could be.

At the end of the day, a healthy head of hair is the foundation for a great hairstyle. So they sacrifice their own hair because they want to wear these expensive weaves and braids... but then the weaves and braids start looking crazy because they don't have any hair. It was like a bad cycle that we were going through. I think this movement is helping women to get back to who they are and really appreciate themselves. Women are learning that weaves and braids are just accessories to be worn for a certain amount of time, and to be taken out for a certain amount of time.

Robyn: You cut Rihanna's hair into the infamous bob -- a haircut which many people credit with helping to catapult her career into superstardom. Tell me a bit about the thought process that went into going short. Because prior to the cut, her long hair, flowing tresses mirrored her popstar counterparts. You guys were taking a bit of a risk because the long weave seemed to be an essential part of the popstar formula.

Ursula: That was one of the reasons why we did it -- because she was tired of looking like everybody else. Plus, I was tired of doing the same old thing for her and for everybody else. And we just went for it. But we never thought that it was going to be talked about to the extent that it was. That wasn't the aim. It was really just a matter of being tired of looking like that... like everybody else. It's something that we just did. We never knew that it would be this world-renowned haircut. So I wasn't nervous when I cut her hair, because we had no idea it would be so big.

I think I realized that the cut was a big deal when I started seeing everybody, not only in New York, with the haircut. It had even gone overseas. No matter where I would go -- New York, L.A., London, Paris, Germany -- somebody was taking some piece of what she had done to her hair. It was everywhere. It was crazy.

Robyn: What has been your experience in the entertainment industry as it relates to standards of beauty... particularly black beauty?

Ursula: I think there is a little prejudice towards it, but it's unsaid. No one speaks about it. You know, you have other artists that are darker skinned and they just don't really go that far. There are a few exceptions. But the percentage is so small. No one really speaks about it.

I don't think anyone has ever come to me and said, "Oh she's too dark, so we wont show her or we wont put her in front." Nothing like that. It's just something that silently happens. There are all of the artists out front -- the light-skinned girls with long hair and all of that. But that's what I liked about the whole movement with Rihanna. She did cut her hair and she did shave her hair. She was this super pretty girl that was so rebellious with her hair that it was an oxymoron. So it messed everybody up. It let people actually see that you could be gorgeous, successful, and make it in this industry and not have long hair down to your knee caps or boobs up to your chin. It's possible. So it is possible to change these standards. And I think it is happening now. Now people are embracing it more because you have the rule breakers like Rihanna who have shown that.

It's funny because every time I have creative meetings with an A&R executive, or whoever is in charge of how they want an artist to look... it's usually men. And that's what men want. They want to see the light-skin-and-long-hair girl because that's their fantasy. Before you would go into a creative meeting and people would give you references of all these long-hair artists... you know, the Mariahs, the Beyonces, and all that type of thing. But now that Rihanna has come along, she's changed the game. Now I go into creative meetings and they give me references of my own work... of funky, short hair cuts. And now that's in the limelight. That's what's beautiful. So it's changing. It's definitely changing. It's absolutely changing.

Robyn: How does it feel to know that your work has made a cultural impact?

Ursula: That part makes me feel great. It makes me feel happy and proud. Because I am that young girl who was different than other young girls growing up. Who didn't really know exactly what I wanted to do. Even with my hair and my identity... I went through that too. So the fact that I can give that confidence to to other girls, that's the best part of the whole deal.

But I don't want people to minimize it either, and think that you can just cut your hair in a bob or shave your hair on one side and you're going to be a popstar. It's not just a cookie cutter method. And so my point in saying that is we did it because it was real. We weren't in a lab saying, "Oh, this is going to make them go crazy." We did it because it was real. It was a real feeling. It was a real movement. It was a real team behind it. The team worked together from hair to makeup to wardrobe, to everything. And that's important when you are an artist. You have to have a great team. And you have to work well together.

Robyn: When you were in South Africa with Motions, Rihanna tweeted the following: "*Meanwhile on set* Being able to do hair and being able to do black hair are 2 different things! #magazines please pay attention." What were your thoughts when you saw that statement?"...

Read the rest of this article @ the Source:

Please excuse my crappy bolding...I tried to pick some of the bits that struck me most, but you should really just read the whole article.

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powerbottom 16th-Feb-2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
She can pull off anything, jfc.

Red is still my favorite.
ponpiri 17th-Feb-2013 02:49 am (UTC)
That's because she has a tiny head.
grrface325 16th-Feb-2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
Ursula, though?

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vanishingbee 16th-Feb-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
aviv 16th-Feb-2013 10:36 pm (UTC)
It's a pretty name (and it also sounds awesome in spanish)
whiskybars 16th-Feb-2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
i'm so jealous of rihanna because she can pull off any hair cut and color
arianagrande 16th-Feb-2013 09:11 pm (UTC)
untxi 16th-Feb-2013 09:18 pm (UTC)
Well, if one excludes her forehead "situation", I guess she does.
missmoelove3 16th-Feb-2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
aviv 16th-Feb-2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
right? she's so pretty
kstew 17th-Feb-2013 01:02 am (UTC)
well i didn't think she looked too good blonde, but she really can pull off any other color. i'm forever jealous of the bright red she had; a lot of people end up looking like a clown but she looked amazing.
whitefox 16th-Feb-2013 08:43 pm (UTC)
Lovely interview
eaglefan2011 16th-Feb-2013 08:44 pm (UTC)
i miss the red hair
coconutoil 16th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
revertigo 16th-Feb-2013 08:46 pm (UTC)
hair post?

and rihanna has the most malleable face, ever. besides being gorgeous, she can werk any style or no hair at all, tbh.
bakemonos 16th-Feb-2013 08:47 pm (UTC)
Her hair stylist is very well spoken. Nice read.
charlotteamos 16th-Feb-2013 11:06 pm (UTC)
...well spoken??
bakemonos 16th-Feb-2013 11:08 pm (UTC)
Are you trying to reach?
judgmental 16th-Feb-2013 08:51 pm (UTC)
chikachika_boom 16th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
coconutoil 16th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
This was such a good color for her
chantemarissa 16th-Feb-2013 09:01 pm (UTC)
i miss this rihanna sfm
emptypostcard 16th-Feb-2013 09:02 pm (UTC)
The red was incredible on her
arianagrande 16th-Feb-2013 09:11 pm (UTC)
rip red hair.
troy_macclure 16th-Feb-2013 09:17 pm (UTC)
so pretty
tryxkittie 16th-Feb-2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
so fucking gorg
coutureable 16th-Feb-2013 11:48 pm (UTC)
This is my ALL TIME favorite of any hair color on anyone, EVER. She rocked the red hair so hard and I wish she would bring it back because I want to live vicariously through her.
kstew 17th-Feb-2013 01:03 am (UTC)
the best tbh
devetu 17th-Feb-2013 03:01 am (UTC)
i will never get over this hair colour
jazzypom what you said17th-Feb-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
It's even more fraught for women with highly textured hair, and feeling pressured to straighten it due to society's expectations, etc. I've been relaxer free for over ten years, one of the best decisions I made for myself.
mysticlady3 16th-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
I am planning to get a haircut on my b-day after losing weight but man am I getting impatient. I get so bored and tired of longish hair that I just want to get rid of it.
unique_lilpixie 16th-Feb-2013 09:04 pm (UTC)
idc I've been growing my hair out for 2 years and it's finally almost to my boobs. I'm not about to cut it because suddenly short hair is edgy. Guess what, the pixie cut was popular before Rihanna did it.
oceanhue 16th-Feb-2013 09:08 pm (UTC)
arianagrande 16th-Feb-2013 09:13 pm (UTC)
Lmao you don't have to cut your hair just because it's a trend. be your own person.
untxi 16th-Feb-2013 09:26 pm (UTC)
I think that's pretty much what she said...?
sevenbeat 16th-Feb-2013 09:16 pm (UTC)
uh no one is forcing you to?
kukamine 16th-Feb-2013 09:21 pm (UTC)
the lights are on but nobody's home
untxi 16th-Feb-2013 09:25 pm (UTC)
I also think it's a hairstyle which is difficult to pull off. Either you're like, really pretty, and it instantly makes you look cute, or you must have impeccable style, which takes a lot of time and effort. Otherwise it will probably just look sloppy.
stephantasm 16th-Feb-2013 09:33 pm (UTC)
treebraids 16th-Feb-2013 09:42 pm (UTC)
I'm not about to cut it because suddenly short hair is edgy.

I don't think anyone was asking you to.
coutureable 16th-Feb-2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
Well, I agree with you that Rihanna's bob was not at all ~groundbreaking~ but it was awesome because SHE did it. This article is more about how women of color shouldn't feel like they have to wear weaves and extensions to look good, they can work with their natural hair texture and they can still be fashionable and edgy.
walker_sarah 16th-Feb-2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
she looks hot in that pic
kwikimart 16th-Feb-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
This was a really good interview.
Ursula sounds like a smart, cool lady.
oceanhue 16th-Feb-2013 09:07 pm (UTC)
Is dis da woman responsible for Rihanna walking around neighing 'bout LA??? I can always see this bish's TRACKS
osmelov 16th-Feb-2013 09:10 pm (UTC)
this photo from 2008
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