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4:59 pm - 02/13/2013

DC wraps up 'Death of the Family'

Batman #17 concludes Scott Snyder's 'Death of the Family' arc *MAJOR SPOILERS*
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The “Death of the Family” story arc has set high expectations and raised a ton of speculation about how it would end. The Joker has terrorized the Bat-family and has teased us for weeks about what he will do next. The build-up for the showdown between Batman and the Joker has practically left fans foaming at the mouth wanting to know how this all ends.

The relationship between Batman and the Joker is one of the greatest in all of comic book history and even though so many stories have already been written, this one succeeds at bringing something new to the table. This isn’t a story that dramatically alters the Batman landscape in the same fashion that “The Killing Joke” or “A Death in the Family” did. But it does change the relationship between Batman and the Joker and you get the sense that Batman actually gains the upper hand. The unrelenting game of cat and mouse has historically been in favor of the Joker. For once, Batman actually becomes the antagonist and teases Joker with something he is deathly afraid of.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really changes are the characters but that’s not a bad thing. This issue is clearly a fundamental piece of the Batman mythology and Snyder accomplishes this without blowing up the entire DC universe to do it. This is a feat in itself and a breath of fresh air during a time when comic book companies seem to use the murdering of characters as their only tool to create a high-impact story. Snyder shows that high-impact stories can still just come from good writing and others should definitely take note.

The artwork by Capullo has been fantastic and his style really fits the gritty, horrific tone of the book. Some of the panels are gruesome, some are haunting, but all are beautiful. There are quite a few panels where you find yourself empathizing with the characters or squirming at what might be coming next. It’s hard to imagine any other artist being more of a perfect fit for this arc than Capullo has been.

Batman #17 exemplifies the reasons why fans are so fascinated with the relationship between Batman and the Joker. This issue is an essential one to pick up and you don’t need to have read the previous issues in order to know what’s going on. Definitely a must read for any comic book fan.

So all the reviews are creaming themselves over the new Batman/Joker dynamic and how Snyder wrote such an incredible conclusion without killing anyone but I am disappointed as fuck. I just wanted someone's fucking head on a platter. Is that so much to ask?

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iamglory 13th-Feb-2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
I am disappointed there wasn't a head on a platter. This was a time to change EVERYTHING and having the joker kill Alfred or Gordon would have been fantastic. A reboot done in blood!
snapiphany 13th-Feb-2013 05:54 pm (UTC)
I was expecting pieces of Alfred on the platters.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:58 pm (UTC)
We all were. Such a letdown.
supernature_971 13th-Feb-2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
idc what the critics say, I thought it was awful.

The beginning of the arc was very solid but #16 and 17 were terribad. It seems like it was trying so fucking hard to come up with this amazing iconic symbolism rather than trying to tell a good story. The dialogues made me want to pokes my eyes out !

And the big reveal at the end... OMG Batman knows Joker's identity WOW !... Who cares ?

Ugh, you were doing so well Snyder...
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
I'm especially disappointed in Snyder since his 'Rotworld' storyline was so awesome.
lanavis 13th-Feb-2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
I thought the Joker's identity was already public knowledge?
And does it matter? Isn't the Joker always the Joker anyway since his facepaint is permanent?
avvien 13th-Feb-2013 05:41 pm (UTC)
joker's back story has a few different origins, but none are really confirmed. in the killing joke he says that he remembers his past one way, sometimes another, but if he is going to have a past he prefers that it be multiple choice. he's depicted as a failed comedian in that book, and then dini (animated series writer) depicts him as an ex-mobster. most of the renditions involve him falling into a vat of chemicals, being chased by batman. but then there's nolan's version with ledger's "war paint..."

so yeah, in short, his past has always been pretty unknown and no one knows who he really is. presumably, not even himself

Edited at 2013-02-13 06:29 pm (UTC)
mofo_pig 13th-Feb-2013 09:41 pm (UTC)
Actually Batman has no idea who the Joker is, he was just fucking with him. One of the last panels shows the screen of the Jokers face and superimposed over it says IDENTITY UNKNOWN.
yummyhead2toe 13th-Feb-2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
I really like that illustration.
ladysherlock 13th-Feb-2013 05:22 pm (UTC)
dnw Joker to have an identity. I'm happy with him just being a straight evil motherfucker who has an ambiguous past. He's way more interesting that way.

Still will probably pick up the trade though.
iamglory 13th-Feb-2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
I think most evil things are better that way!
vivisexion 13th-Feb-2013 06:01 pm (UTC)
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stephaniebrown 13th-Feb-2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
it was so underwhelming imo :( i LOVED the batman/joker interaction at the end, and the final few pages were good, but everything else was a little meh. it was like... all of this build up for months and then nothing?

BUT JASON'S FACE SURVIVED AND WE'RE GETTING A NEW RHATO WRITER AND EVERYTHING SEEMS MUCH NICER ♥
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
I'll read Red Hood next week for the Jason/Bruce confrontation but after that I'll be so happy to drop it again after that. I wish DC would cancel it tbh.
stephaniebrown 13th-Feb-2013 05:26 pm (UTC)
i love the team too much to give it up tbh, even if they've been kind of crappy. but i am seriously, cautiously optimistic about the new writer? he seems like he knows what he's doing, and lobdell leaving can only be a good thing imo.
littlepunkryo 13th-Feb-2013 06:39 pm (UTC)
I'm so excited that we get a new writer. It sucks that we didn't get a new one for this arc, because a Joker + Jason storyline is what I've wanted for a very long time and ofc it's the writer I can't stand who got to do it. But maybe this new writer will be better than Lobdell.
latenightcuppa 13th-Feb-2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
basically exactly how i felt. it was like. the whole ~point~ was meant to be an emotional fracture of the batfamily but since the emotional stakes weren't really built up in the new 52 batfamily stories prior to it, it fell flat.

but jason is fine and RHATO has a new writer, so good riddance to this event and onwards, i say.
ohkkrista 13th-Feb-2013 05:24 pm (UTC)
I still need to pick up my copies today after work.
I thought the last one, #16? Was pretty lame though.

The artwork has been pretty great overall, imo. Even with all the crossovers the covers are just gorg.
stephaniebrown 13th-Feb-2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
and now i am officially free from the new 52 batbooks! i'll still pick up the occasional one, but apart from batwoman/rhato and maaaybe batman & robin, no bore awful comics about characters that barely resemble who they're supposed to be c:
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
Batwoman is flawless. I'm not thrilled that she's getting a partner though, I can only assume it will be Flamebird again, she was incredibly annoying and should've just died.
stephaniebrown 13th-Feb-2013 05:32 pm (UTC)
i'm only up to issue 5 or something rn, but i'm really enjoying it so far.
supernature_971 13th-Feb-2013 05:35 pm (UTC)
I still love Batwoman but that mess of a second story arc called To Drown The World almost destroyed my interest in the character. Plus it made the story drag for too long and now it seems like it's taken her an eternity to complete her mission.

I'm really enjoying the current arc with the BW/WW team-up though. I can't wait for the conclusion next week.
fauxparadiso 13th-Feb-2013 05:27 pm (UTC)
The gifs related to these comics are so awesomely creepy

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avvien 13th-Feb-2013 05:30 pm (UTC)
holy shit these are awesome.
lanavis 13th-Feb-2013 05:40 pm (UTC)
Who made them?
lanavis 13th-Feb-2013 05:40 pm (UTC)
Are there more?
radname 13th-Feb-2013 06:24 pm (UTC)
This is the guys tumblr, he has more gifs on there of batman and other things: http://madebyabvh.tumblr.com/
infinite_drag 13th-Feb-2013 05:45 pm (UTC)
OMW, the first two are incredible :-O
endingonfire 13th-Feb-2013 05:27 pm (UTC)
Someone spoil me! What happened? I can't wait for the trade, since DC takes forever and a day releasing them.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
NOTHING. NOTHING HAPPENED.
endingonfire 13th-Feb-2013 05:31 pm (UTC)
someone on tumblr mentioned Joker's "grand finale", what's that about?
stephaniebrown 13th-Feb-2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
a brief summary of batman 17

but in all seriousness, not much. the batfam are died up around a table with bags/bloody bandages on their heads, batman manages to free them all and none of them are hurt/disfigured. batman saves them all, freaks the joker out. by the end the batfamily go there separate ways and avoid talking to each other, a la ~death of the family.
avvien 13th-Feb-2013 05:30 pm (UTC)
just finished reading it. i loved the whole arc, it was something different. i really liked the last scene in the cave, too. i don't think batman knows joker's identity. i think bats was just fucking with him. anything before joker is dead, he wants no part in that, so batman knew it'd get under his skin (no pun lol).

i do feel like snyder had a lot of build up and then backed off, though. i wanted their real faces on the platters. i feel like it's in character for joker to actually do that to all of them if he had the opportunity. so yeah, that was pretty disappointing, but whatever, i like the whole arc. i'll read it again.

and lovely icon, op.<3 my favorite comic book of all time.
avvien 13th-Feb-2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
whoops, i probably should have mentioned there are spoilers in this.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:36 pm (UTC)
Overall I enjoyed the arc but I just thought the ending was so anticlimactic. DC hyped it up way too much with the whole 'who will live/die' thing.

Thank you! I never get tired of rereading it tbh.
avvien 13th-Feb-2013 05:46 pm (UTC)
they did a "who will live/die" thing? oh that's lame. i'd probably be more disappointed if i paid attention to any of the ads for this book since we are basically back at square one here. i didn't really expect anyone to die the whole time since everyone has their own damn series. lol.

me neither. i always reread it a few times a year. that and devil's advocate. ugh, i love that one so much too. lol.
sh3l8y 13th-Feb-2013 07:50 pm (UTC)
are the tie-ins any good?
i just have the main storyline
gabzillaz 13th-Feb-2013 05:51 pm (UTC)
So disappointing. Besides, I don't even care about most of this family post Flashpoint.

Batman and Robin continues to be awesome. And Batwoman <3
snapiphany 13th-Feb-2013 05:52 pm (UTC)
So...blegh. I suppose the only thing he accomplished was how much he'll haunt their nightmares, given Dick and Tim will be reeling in the issues to come. And I guess that trace element left in their systems will play a part in that some way. Otherwise, just as bland as the H'El story line. Only good thing about that is the Superboy/Superman interaction.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
I still need to read the H'El storyline. Honestly, I wish DC would scale back the epic crossover storylines, less is more sometimes.
snapiphany 13th-Feb-2013 06:14 pm (UTC)
I agree. Small, poignant story lines, or stand-alone issues can be amazing if they'd just give it a chance.
papillonsoldier AAAAH13th-Feb-2013 05:53 pm (UTC)
I have been WAITING for this conclusion. apparently Alfred's head is not on the platter so I can rest easy now. I hope he's alright! I followed the arc through Nightwing, Red Hood, Batman & Robin, and Teen Titans - it's very good so far!

Is Batgirl worth the read? I'm ambivalent, though I really want to get more into the Batfamily...

Dick and Jason are my favorites, god Tim too...and Damian. I love 'em all!
gabzillaz Re: AAAAH13th-Feb-2013 05:55 pm (UTC)
Is Batgirl worth the read?

No.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 05:56 pm (UTC)
Is Batgirl worth the read?

I think so.
littlepunkryo Re: AAAAH13th-Feb-2013 06:28 pm (UTC)
Is Batgirl worth the read?

Not really.

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br_kenmirror Re: AAAAH13th-Feb-2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
No to Batgirl. Gail Simone is terrible.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
I actually enjoy Batgirl but it's far from Simone's best work. I didn't mind seeing her go, I was interested in seeing what a new writer would bring to the series but alas, they rehired her.
polynucleotide 13th-Feb-2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
i fucking loved it. jokes on all of us for thinking something worse than everyone getting fucked up in the head was gonna happen.
setsuna16 13th-Feb-2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
So glad this story thing is over. Can't stand Batman, but I love his supporting cast. So I get all this tie in shit on books where I'd rather just ignore the whole thing.

That being said, when Alfred goes, I will weep openly. Or did he already go?

I would like to know what the 'dynamic change' was. Not enough to, you know, read, but enough to be curious.
comalies 13th-Feb-2013 06:32 pm (UTC)
Alfred's fine and at this point I doubt he will ever die lol.

The dynamic change was just Batman getting the upper hand on the Joker for once by telling him that he knew his real identity.
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