6:09 pm - 02/11/2013

Gloria Steinem responds to Lena Dunham re: Rihanna

Piling on Rihanna Accomplishes Nothing
Rihanna is getting beaten up — again. This time, it's by women.
Recently, Lena Dunham, creator of the HBO hit series Girls, took aim, criticizing Rihanna on a WNYC show for not serving as a better role model to girls. Rihanna, in returning to her abuser, Chris Brown, was not the kind of feminist that Dunham thought she should be.
"I used to be really into Rihanna, that pop star, and then it's like — again, I don't want to ever throw stones from my glass house — but I follow her on Instagram and I just think about how many little girls beyond what I could even comprehend are obsessed with Rihanna," she said. "Like, you know, she left Barbados, she's had this amazing career, she's won a Grammy...She's talented. And then she gets back together with Chris Brown and posts a million pictures of them smoking marijuana together on a bed. And it cracks my heart in half in a way that makes me feel like I'm 95 years old."
The rant, from last month, wasn't Dunham's first. Early last year, when Rihanna and Brown released two songs together, Dunham tweeted, "Rihanna and Chris Brown's new duets make me want to go hide under Gloria Steinem's bed for 72 hours."
It might not be the best place for Dunham to hide. "Here's the view from under my bed," Gloria Steinem wrote to me in a recent email exchange. "Most women leaving violent relationships return at least once because their self-authority has been eviscerated and replaced with a partner's authority. Think Stockholm Syndrome. Rihanna probably needs support, not criticism, and her return could be a cause for teaching, not despair."
I certainly understand people's inclination to think that they know better, indeed, to feel like they are better than someone who is in an abusive relationship. Who in their right mind subjects themselves to repeated violence? But that is a short-sighted and actually not very smart response to what is actually going on with domestic abuse, and precisely the mentality that makes the survivor feel judged rather than understood.
Steinem further explained to me: "This is a microcosm of the frequent difference between the original battered women's centers that were or are run by survivors, and some of the current Family Violence Centers run by people with degrees. The survivors supported women in making their own decisions — because they themselves knew from experience. The second too often repeated the problem by telling women what to do one more time."
Dunham's comments hit two separate chords for me. The first was that it seemed odd and rather obtuse for Dunham to level criticism against Rihanna for not being a better feminist role model, when Dunham herself, also in a public position as role model to young women, excludes the very demographic — young black women — she implies Rihanna should better serve.
Much has been written about the absence of black or brown people on Dunham's wildly successful HBO show, and to a large extent the dissonance has come from black women, myself included, and many much younger than me. Why is Rihanna more obligated to be a better role model than Dunham is to represent a racially inclusive world, at least a racially aware feminist?
The other chord her comments struck was more personal.
I watched my sister return to abusive boyfriends for years, starting when we were teenagers. My sister is white, and I am black. I was adopted into a white family and grew up in rural New Hampshire. Our high school had a front hall, where the cool kids hung out, and a back hall, where the smokers, druggies, and general losers hung out. I was a front-hall kid; my sister was a back-hall kid. I went to great pains to disassociate myself from her. I considered her feathered hair, acid-wash jeans, and reeking of smoke a moral failure. Her willingness to be in an abusive relationship was an extension of that failure, in my teenage mind.
But while I continued to judge her, my parents continued to love her unconditionally. I believe it was their abiding support, in large part, that helped her to realize she was strong enough to leave her last abusive relationship, following the birth of her twin boys, more than 20 years ago.
This week, Tina Brown tweeted that Rihanna is "a big fat zero" as a role model for women. That's not very helpful to a woman in an abusive relationship, who more than likely doesn't need further prompting to feel badly about herself.
Several celebrity women and endless lady bloggers have weighed in on what Rihanna should and shouldn't do in regards to her relationship with Brown — from talk show host Wendy Williams to Jezebel and VH1, everyone seems to think they know what's best for Rihanna. The New York Post's Andrea Peyser wrote in her February 7 column that Rihanna "is a disgrace to women." And HuffPost blogger Sandy Weiner penned a recent blog called "Rihanna is Crazy in Love. Emphasis on Crazy?"
I recall now that my teenage judgment of my sister — telling her she was wasting her life — just pushed her away. She recoiled against my snooty, "cool kid" reasoning. Now I understand that letting a man hit her repeatedly had nothing to do with how smart she was or is — and she is very smart — but rather, was the result of trauma. My sister had been raped at 14. I knew about the rape, but I also didn't want to know; I was just 10 at the time. Her reactive rage and downward spiral into these violent relationships scared me.
Today, my sister and I are still at odds for various reasons — some of them, maybe all, stem from the front-hall, back-hall attitude — but I deeply regret having judged her so harshly during those years she was being physically abused, and have since become far more attuned to the experience of survivors.
Both Rihanna and Chris Brown come from backgrounds with violence and domestic abuse. Brown has spoken out publicly about the history of domestic violence in his family growing up, when he watched his stepfather continuously beat his mother. And Rihanna recently revealed in an exclusive interview with Oprah that she had forgiven her own violent father, who was abusive toward her mother. It is what they know. They need help in knowing something different — not a pile-on attack.
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Rihanna is getting beaten up — again. This time, it's by women.
Recently, Lena Dunham, creator of the HBO hit series Girls, took aim, criticizing Rihanna on a WNYC show for not serving as a better role model to girls. Rihanna, in returning to her abuser, Chris Brown, was not the kind of feminist that Dunham thought she should be.
"I used to be really into Rihanna, that pop star, and then it's like — again, I don't want to ever throw stones from my glass house — but I follow her on Instagram and I just think about how many little girls beyond what I could even comprehend are obsessed with Rihanna," she said. "Like, you know, she left Barbados, she's had this amazing career, she's won a Grammy...She's talented. And then she gets back together with Chris Brown and posts a million pictures of them smoking marijuana together on a bed. And it cracks my heart in half in a way that makes me feel like I'm 95 years old."
The rant, from last month, wasn't Dunham's first. Early last year, when Rihanna and Brown released two songs together, Dunham tweeted, "Rihanna and Chris Brown's new duets make me want to go hide under Gloria Steinem's bed for 72 hours."
It might not be the best place for Dunham to hide. "Here's the view from under my bed," Gloria Steinem wrote to me in a recent email exchange. "Most women leaving violent relationships return at least once because their self-authority has been eviscerated and replaced with a partner's authority. Think Stockholm Syndrome. Rihanna probably needs support, not criticism, and her return could be a cause for teaching, not despair."
I certainly understand people's inclination to think that they know better, indeed, to feel like they are better than someone who is in an abusive relationship. Who in their right mind subjects themselves to repeated violence? But that is a short-sighted and actually not very smart response to what is actually going on with domestic abuse, and precisely the mentality that makes the survivor feel judged rather than understood.
Steinem further explained to me: "This is a microcosm of the frequent difference between the original battered women's centers that were or are run by survivors, and some of the current Family Violence Centers run by people with degrees. The survivors supported women in making their own decisions — because they themselves knew from experience. The second too often repeated the problem by telling women what to do one more time."
Dunham's comments hit two separate chords for me. The first was that it seemed odd and rather obtuse for Dunham to level criticism against Rihanna for not being a better feminist role model, when Dunham herself, also in a public position as role model to young women, excludes the very demographic — young black women — she implies Rihanna should better serve.
Much has been written about the absence of black or brown people on Dunham's wildly successful HBO show, and to a large extent the dissonance has come from black women, myself included, and many much younger than me. Why is Rihanna more obligated to be a better role model than Dunham is to represent a racially inclusive world, at least a racially aware feminist?
The other chord her comments struck was more personal.
I watched my sister return to abusive boyfriends for years, starting when we were teenagers. My sister is white, and I am black. I was adopted into a white family and grew up in rural New Hampshire. Our high school had a front hall, where the cool kids hung out, and a back hall, where the smokers, druggies, and general losers hung out. I was a front-hall kid; my sister was a back-hall kid. I went to great pains to disassociate myself from her. I considered her feathered hair, acid-wash jeans, and reeking of smoke a moral failure. Her willingness to be in an abusive relationship was an extension of that failure, in my teenage mind.
But while I continued to judge her, my parents continued to love her unconditionally. I believe it was their abiding support, in large part, that helped her to realize she was strong enough to leave her last abusive relationship, following the birth of her twin boys, more than 20 years ago.
This week, Tina Brown tweeted that Rihanna is "a big fat zero" as a role model for women. That's not very helpful to a woman in an abusive relationship, who more than likely doesn't need further prompting to feel badly about herself.
Several celebrity women and endless lady bloggers have weighed in on what Rihanna should and shouldn't do in regards to her relationship with Brown — from talk show host Wendy Williams to Jezebel and VH1, everyone seems to think they know what's best for Rihanna. The New York Post's Andrea Peyser wrote in her February 7 column that Rihanna "is a disgrace to women." And HuffPost blogger Sandy Weiner penned a recent blog called "Rihanna is Crazy in Love. Emphasis on Crazy?"
I recall now that my teenage judgment of my sister — telling her she was wasting her life — just pushed her away. She recoiled against my snooty, "cool kid" reasoning. Now I understand that letting a man hit her repeatedly had nothing to do with how smart she was or is — and she is very smart — but rather, was the result of trauma. My sister had been raped at 14. I knew about the rape, but I also didn't want to know; I was just 10 at the time. Her reactive rage and downward spiral into these violent relationships scared me.
Today, my sister and I are still at odds for various reasons — some of them, maybe all, stem from the front-hall, back-hall attitude — but I deeply regret having judged her so harshly during those years she was being physically abused, and have since become far more attuned to the experience of survivors.
Both Rihanna and Chris Brown come from backgrounds with violence and domestic abuse. Brown has spoken out publicly about the history of domestic violence in his family growing up, when he watched his stepfather continuously beat his mother. And Rihanna recently revealed in an exclusive interview with Oprah that she had forgiven her own violent father, who was abusive toward her mother. It is what they know. They need help in knowing something different — not a pile-on attack.
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I am so tired of hearing about this shit
bitch she ain't gonna listen to you
I was sympathetic towards her at first, but it's clear to me now that she's doing it for the attention. It adds to the rebellious, bad girl image she seems so desperate to put forth.
Ridiculous. I really hope that she can find it in her to grow up and leave him, and realize that she is a role model to millions, whether she wants to be or not.
She made her choice.
/didnt watch grammys because i live under a rock in australia
Lena needs to keep her entitled ass' views to her own ignorant self. She has nothing of value to add to society.
Well, at least that's the case here in the United States.
See how that works? tee hee
i can't imagine knowing him IRL or working on something with him after reading that and knowing what he did & not being totally disgusted and loosing all respect for him
Celebrities are not role models.
Celebrities are not role models.
Celebrities are not role models.
Celebrities are not role models.
The sooner everyone finally accepts this, the better. You too, Lena.
"Even if Chris never hit me again, who is to say that their boyfriend won't?"
"Who's to say that they won't kill these girls? These are young girls, and I just didn't realize how much of an impact I had on these girls' lives until that happened. It was a wake-up call."
I don't get this logic.
No one cares about fans' & celebrities' opinions about them not being a role model.
They'll still be role models.
Now they choose to embrace it or not, that's their pbm, why should I blame those who judge them...
Rihanna definitely needs support and I'm dreading the reactions of the public if he hits her again. People want her to be a role model for DV survivors yet what message are their own reactions sending to women in these situations? If you don't behave in the way that we prescribe you don't deserve support and sympathy? Even ontd commenters are guitly of this despite the constant reminder that Rihanna is trapped in an unfortunate cycle. People need to reflect on how their own comments and actions might act to silence and scare women who need to get out of dangerous situations.
She got back into it again. I know it must be hard...but it's hard to feel sympathy for people making questionable decisions.
tbh if you aren't educated about the cycle of abuse, you shouldn't be trying to correct people about it.
*criticizes someone for criticizing rihanna*
*calls rihanna an idiot in the same breath*
I see my mistake.
Why do you hate America and freedom and apple pie and tom hanks? WHY?
It's not fucking funny. It's sad.
Anywhoo, ia with the gist of this article. Attacking Rihanna for being in an abusive relationship is really nagl, and coming from Dunham it's beyond extra.
It's so gross how white feminists are building shrines to Dunham in their closets as they vilify women like Rihanna and Beyoncé. So bullshit.
all the posts i see on her are critical of her. maybe im just not clicking on the other ones?
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/75
just on the first page of her tag.