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4:59 pm - 02/11/2013

Sarah Silverman Cheers On Sister & Niece For "Civil Disobedience" at Israel's Western Wall


Israeli police Monday detained 10 women, including the sister of American comic Sarah Silverman, as they tried to pray at a Jerusalem holy site, the head of a liberal Jewish women's group said.

Anat Hoffman, who was among those detained, said the women were stopped because they were wearing religious garb that Orthodox Judaism reserves for men only. The incident occurred at the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites.

Silverman's sister Susan, a Jerusalem rabbi from the liberal Reform stream of Judaism, was detained along with her teenage daughter.


Sarah Silverman wrote on her Facebook page that she was "SO proud" of her sister and niece for their "civil disobedience." The original post included more explicit language typical of Silverman's humor.

The women belong to "Women of the Wall," a liberal group that goes to the Western Wall each month to worship. They conduct certain rituals, such as wearing prayer shawls and skullcaps and singing out loud, practices reserved for men under strict Orthodox interpretations of Judaism. Hoffman, who was among those detained, is chairwoman of the group.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the women were detained because they acted against court-ordered regulations that bar women from wearing prayer shawls at the Western Wall so as not to offend Orthodox Jewish worshippers. Rosenfeld said the women were released after several hours.

The group has been gathering at the Western Wall for a quarter century, but in recent years its activists have been increasingly detained by police. Hoffman, who chairs the group, said no woman detained has ever been formally charged with any crime.

"This is just attrition," said Hoffman. "They want to the group to become frightened."

The Monday detentions took place after about 300 people gathered at a prayer service at the Western Wall to protest Orthodox control of the site. Among the worshippers in the group, Hoffman said, were about 100 male supporters, including veterans from the legendary Israeli paratroopers' battalion that captured Jerusalem's ancient walled Old City, including the Western Wall, in the 1967 Middle East War.

In December, after Hoffman was arrested under similar circumstances, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the semi-governmental Jewish Agency to come up with solutions that would allow for non-Orthodox women to pray freely at the site.

Hoffman said two of the women held by police were American rabbis from the egalitarian Conservative Jewish movement who missed a scheduled meeting with the Jewish Agency chief to discuss the very issue that landed them in police custody.

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fashionbabylon 11th-Feb-2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
they're not white saviors, they're jews. the orthodox branches of judaism don't speak for all of us.
judgmental 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
I completely missed that ONE line. I read everything but that.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
seriously??????? they are protesting about women's rights within Judaism...
superdogbiter 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
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happythree 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
idt that applies when they're doing it within the context of their own faith...
isntdaveone 11th-Feb-2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
classless trash.
aaronnyc89 11th-Feb-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
why?
rainaweather 11th-Feb-2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
Because???
superdogbiter 11th-Feb-2013 10:38 pm (UTC)
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aviv 11th-Feb-2013 11:00 pm (UTC)
what? ¿?
waffle_party 12th-Feb-2013 02:49 am (UTC)
.....nope
forkmeup 11th-Feb-2013 10:16 pm (UTC)
israel is such a hostile nation and the u.s. government lets them get away with so much shit that i know they would invade other middle eastern countries for.
snappple 11th-Feb-2013 10:18 pm (UTC)
mte!

shiiblee 12th-Feb-2013 10:23 am (UTC)
You are the absolute worst, how are you not banned yet?
quizblorg 11th-Feb-2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
...
isntdaveone 11th-Feb-2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
the USA gives them billions & billions of dollars every year.
lanavis 11th-Feb-2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
I blame religion or rather the boner the Xian religion and its branches have for Israel.
fashionbabylon 11th-Feb-2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
this has nothing to do with u.s. aid to israel, and everything to do with ideological clashes within different branches of judaism and the absurd leeway the israeli government gives the hasidim. get your ignorance out of this post plz
empirebird 11th-Feb-2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
true, but this has nothing to do with that...
goofusgallant 11th-Feb-2013 11:25 pm (UTC)
ikr
nicholasdee 12th-Feb-2013 02:00 am (UTC)
wtf is the point of this comment

this post is not about that. take that shit elsewhere
freeze_i_say 12th-Feb-2013 08:57 am (UTC)
no lies
snappple 11th-Feb-2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
Oh please! The Palestinians have it worse there. If the palestinians dared to pull the same crap then rest asure there would have been bombs flying their way from IDF
quizblorg 11th-Feb-2013 10:18 pm (UTC)
And here I was under the impression that the IDF's bombs were a reaction to constant rocket fire from Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Silly me.
snappple 11th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
The only thing you'll ever be under an impression is is lusting after underage kids. move along.
plugmebaby 12th-Feb-2013 01:18 am (UTC)
education. best you get one.
freeze_i_say 12th-Feb-2013 09:01 am (UTC)
Not for you because you're a sock puppet

A Soldiers View: Gaza, Israel and the fantasy of military equality.

http://joeglenton.com/2012/11/21/gaza-israel-and-the-fantasy-of-military-equality/
forkmeup 11th-Feb-2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
absolutely.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
what does that have to do with what was said in this article? this article is about jews protesting other jews
leviicorpus 11th-Feb-2013 10:38 pm (UTC)
Good job bringing up a completely unrelated issue?
nicholasdee 12th-Feb-2013 02:03 am (UTC)
i hate the whole cry of derailing left and right on ontd, but this is pretty much derailing summed up
mushroomnoomi 11th-Feb-2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
They shouldn't have been arrested for wearing a tallis. I understand that they knew they were being offensive, but the disrespect for liberal judiasm amongst the orthodoxy is pretty damn offensive too.
mistress_f 11th-Feb-2013 10:18 pm (UTC)
i agree but at the same time i'm not sure what point they're trying to make wearing the tallis.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
i think it would be like a woman dressing up in a priests outfit to protest the catholic church
diamond_dust06 11th-Feb-2013 10:44 pm (UTC)
The fact that they ought to have the right to free expression of religion, and not have ~proper Judaism defined for them by a bunch of jackasses with bad haircuts.
hot143chocolate 11th-Feb-2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
the women were stopped because they were wearing religious garb that Orthodox Judaism reserves for men only

This warrants an arrest??
mistress_f 11th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
they acted against court-ordered regulations that bar women from wearing prayer shawls at the Western Wall so as not to offend Orthodox Jewish worshippers.


there's a court-order regulation on that so i guess it does
fashionbabylon 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
orthodox jews have a monopoly on the wall, which is super gross. the reform and conservative movements have just as much claim to pray the way they wish at the wall, but the very vocal and obnoxious minority of the hasidim prevents us from worshipping as equals at our holy site. they even have a barricade up that forces women to pray in a small subsection of the wall.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:31 pm (UTC)
IDK if in israel the ultra orthodox are the minority though. when im there it feels like people are either secular or orthodox so most people dont mind the wall
slut_talk 11th-Feb-2013 10:38 pm (UTC)
My friend's roommate was talking to me the other day about how she went and she was so disgusted by how unequal everything was. She said she was harassed by some people and how the women had such a tiny space in comparison to the men. She's kind of obnoxious, so IDK how much of her story to believe, but she said as a whole she really just did not like Jerusalem (but loved all of the other cities she visited).
ebenista 12th-Feb-2013 02:36 am (UTC)
what's their problem with women?
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
i like it
_______awshucks 11th-Feb-2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, I may be sensitive but as a Jewish woman I'm finding some of these comments offensive. This wasn't about Israel as a whole or about their relations with anyone else and it's regardless of who's sister/relative was involved. This was about the fact that Orthodox Judaism is repressive towards women, especially at the Western Wall. A place where people should be allowed to pray as they feel..it's not a place for people to judge others.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
mte
chocolate_ari 11th-Feb-2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
ia
fashionbabylon 11th-Feb-2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
ontd has a really problematic history with antisemitism... good to see it's alive and well, and on the first page no less!
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
seriously. this has nothing to do with foreign relations. its about jews protesting each other!
forkmeup 11th-Feb-2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
being critical of israel for the fucked up things it does against palestinians is NOT the same as being antisemitic.

Edited at 2013-02-11 10:25 pm (UTC)
snappple 11th-Feb-2013 10:26 pm (UTC)
Going against Israels disgusting racist regime is not antisemitism.
leviicorpus 11th-Feb-2013 10:40 pm (UTC)
idk if I'd say those comments are antisemitic (leans a little too close to the "any criticism of israel is automatically antisemitic" train of thought for me), but they are definitely unnecessary, inappropriate, and derailing in this post.
mirlos 11th-Feb-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
yes
mistress_f 11th-Feb-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
help me understand something here though, cause i feel like i'm missing something.
is it forbidden for women to go pray at the wall? if so, that's fucked up.
and another thing, isn't the tallit for men only anyway?
quizblorg 11th-Feb-2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
"I'm sorry, I may be sensitive but as a Jewish woman I'm finding some of these comments offensive."


No need to be so apologetic about it.
happythree 11th-Feb-2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
This exactly.
_xxtom 11th-Feb-2013 10:26 pm (UTC)
mfte
manaconda 11th-Feb-2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
lol ontd is always like this.
lillylilacs 11th-Feb-2013 10:29 pm (UTC)
yes, this.
abiding 11th-Feb-2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
mte
beaddddddsss 11th-Feb-2013 10:40 pm (UTC)
My mouth literally fell open reading these comments.
screwhim 11th-Feb-2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
iawtc!! this!!
aviv 11th-Feb-2013 11:06 pm (UTC)
ia
wombat_nectar 12th-Feb-2013 12:29 am (UTC)
seriously.
nicholasdee 12th-Feb-2013 02:09 am (UTC)
Yep.

People have to bring up Palestine no matter what when Jews are discussed, and then they act like we are insane when we talk about how much anti-semitism there is in the pro-Palestine movement. Can we just have one discussion amongst our people that doesn't get hijacked?
waffle_party 12th-Feb-2013 02:50 am (UTC)
absolutely. completely fucked up and totally uncalled for.
mirlos 11th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
i can just tell this post is gonna be a mess
ronnie_luvs_u 11th-Feb-2013 10:43 pm (UTC)
It's already a mess.
beaddddddsss 11th-Feb-2013 10:59 pm (UTC)
gworllllll LOOK UP
noon 11th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
i'm just here to giggle at her calling her niece "purplelettuce95" aaand now i'm out bye
johnjie 11th-Feb-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
Admittedly I know very little about Judaism apart from what I've read, but as a (former) Catholic I can sympathise with being pissed off with things 'reserved for men' within your religion.

Although, this might be a completely different situation, and if I've offended anyone I apologise in advance.
bent_ley 11th-Feb-2013 10:26 pm (UTC)
it's a more extreme in ultra orthodox communities (like men and women cant sit together or pray together or even touch before they are married) but as far as patriarchy goes its not that different
johnjie 11th-Feb-2013 10:43 pm (UTC)
Ahh, gotcha (and that sounds kind of gross tbh - the misogyny of that sect I mean). So this protest is kind of like when Catholic women protest by dressing as priests and conducting services? (which I am pretty sure they have done)

Sometimes I think it's a real shame I know so little about Judaism, my Dad's mum was Jewish but she married my gentile grandpa back in the 40's and her family were pretty conservative so disownment followed.
pikapika217 11th-Feb-2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
Is this the same sister from her show?

It's odd how family friendly she became with just one movie but awesome.
glamour_fades 11th-Feb-2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
Nope, different sister. That sister is named Laura.
empirebird 11th-Feb-2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
get it ladies.
leviicorpus 11th-Feb-2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
What fucking bullshit.
clarelove 11th-Feb-2013 10:42 pm (UTC)
lol
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