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5:52 pm - 02/10/2013

William Shatner vs. Reddit


Some celebrities leave Reddit shortly after they collect easy publicity , but Star Trek's William Shatner isn't afraid to stick around and ruffle some feathers. An active user on the site since his first "Ask Me Anything" session in January, Shatner has issued some stern comments about the site's tolerance of hateful or racist users, writing that he is "appalled by some of the immature, horrifically racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnic, etc... posts that are just ignored here." Shatner questions Reddit's hands-off approach, writing that "the fact that someone could come here, debase and degrade people based on race, religion, ethnicity or sexual preference because 'they have a right' to do so without worry of any kind of moderation is sending the wrong message."

That attitude may seem to fly in the face of free speech — a value Reddit (mostly) supports — but Shatner's unimpressed when it comes to hate speech. In response to a comment goading him to become president of the United States ("because apparently you know best," the commenter wrote), Shatner replied: "first of all, I'm Canadian. Second of all Reddit is worldwide. So 'First Amendment' means nothing online."

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wincest_dean 11th-Feb-2013 12:19 am (UTC)
and one of the worst/best things on reddit RES is the ability to see how many people upvoted/downvoted something, makes me lose faith in humanity on a daily basis
drownanddive 11th-Feb-2013 12:20 am (UTC)
I agree with him 100%. I'll be honest and say that I'm a member of Reddit, but a lot of the users there seem incredibly immature and unable to have a serious discussion. I was reading this thread the other day about it not being fair that there was a group for black students at their university and how they felt it was racism. Reading the comments on that post just totally pissed me off.
lovealwaysliana 11th-Feb-2013 12:23 am (UTC)
Reddit is awful that's why I tried it for like two months and then bounced
jello404 11th-Feb-2013 12:32 am (UTC)
I'm so happy that someone are standing up and letting ppl know that these behaviors are out so order. As a black queer woman I'm terrified to read the comment section if any website. Shit,I had to shut anon off my TUMBKR because I was being constantly harassed and of course Tumblr staff,YouTube staff etc DOESN'T CARE. These websites allow their users to assault others and no one goes challenges them.
Shantner is the man.
fusilli_head 11th-Feb-2013 12:48 am (UTC)
word. i think a lot of people don't understand that there is no safe place for anyone that falls into one or any minority on reddit, or anywhere else on the internet. i've been thinking about just retiring from the internet period because i get so angry and depressed about some of the things i read on here and tumblr.
ialmrnt5 11th-Feb-2013 12:53 am (UTC)
how can one guarantee a safe place for anyone anywhere on the internet anyway? prejudice & mean people will sadly be around for a while
tragickingdomxo 11th-Feb-2013 01:11 am (UTC)
The harassment on tumblr can get really scary and I hate that the stuff does not give a fuck about it unless your a tumblr celebrity.
wickedground 11th-Feb-2013 12:37 am (UTC)
He's right. And I will never understand how the US allows hatespeech as part of their Freedom of Speech.

I only ever went to reddit once because I read Colin Mochrie's ask me everything or what's it called, but I really didn't get how the site worked, so I left right after. I wonder if it's a sign that I am getting too old for the internet /csb
queenbathory 11th-Feb-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
any time there's a post about other countries arresting people for hatespeech you get a bunch of comments screaming free speech because that's how it is here in the US. it's ridiculous
crystalzelda 11th-Feb-2013 12:47 am (UTC)
slippery!!! slope!!!!!

Yes, because Canada and France and the UK have become such police states that even saying a curse word gets you throw in jail. It's all because of that SLIPPERY SLOPE

FIRST THEY CAME FOR MY RACIAL SLURS, NOW I CAN'T EVEN TALK ANYMORE. OH THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL!
evridis 11th-Feb-2013 01:51 am (UTC)
lol ikr, all the "BUT FREE SPEECH!!!", "FIRST AMENDMENT!!!" comments are hilarious.

and then in other posts people complain about hateful stuff being said and nothing being done about it...
wickedground 11th-Feb-2013 11:53 am (UTC)
ridiculous. you'd think a country with a past like the US would be more strict on hatespeech and racism. but then every dumbo can buy a gun there too.
wauwy 12th-Feb-2013 08:31 am (UTC)
Because "hate speech" has to be defined by someone, and that someone is the people in power. And the people in power haven't had a good track record, ever.
epona 11th-Feb-2013 12:39 am (UTC)
today on reddit I got in an argument with a bunch of men trying to say they weren't racist for only finding white women attractive and one said, and i quote

"Is it racist to love vanilla and avoid chocolate? No, because that's a personal preference. I don't see how this is any different."


fuck reddit
rolt_me 11th-Feb-2013 12:48 am (UTC)
lol that isn't reddit. that is literally every white person in the world. and prob on ontd too. i've had that convo wayyyyy too many times.
crystalzelda 11th-Feb-2013 12:49 am (UTC)
That shit doesn't fly on ONTD very much, though. The times people have had a new asshole torn on ONTD for saying stuff like that...
epona 11th-Feb-2013 12:50 am (UTC)
lmao yeah so true they're so desperate to insist they're not racist while writing off every nonwhite person ever but that quote in particular really got me. how can you look at that and think that's an okay thing to say?
fusilli_head 11th-Feb-2013 12:50 am (UTC)
ugh. i had a conversation about this irl if you can believe this. one white guy i used to be friends with told me that he didn't like, and i quote "chocolate cherry pussies".
harleenfrances 11th-Feb-2013 12:51 am (UTC)
god what a fucking tool.
sexyvegeta 11th-Feb-2013 12:56 am (UTC)
why is he comparing women to food.
ialmrnt5 11th-Feb-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
reddit is like the opposite of ONTD, instead of a group of people insisting hillary duff needs to be educated about her ~white privileged~ and why she is racist & committing offensive cultural appropriation for wearing day of the dead inspired make-up & people bringing up random reasons to complain about/make fun of ~white ppl~

while on reddit they bash all minorities & throw around the word faggot & the n word & make racist jokes like its their job- also god forbid a women rejects them, she must be friendzone-ing them, its not that she just doesn't wanna get with the gross most likely WOW addicted dweeb

w/e though because both sites have interesting stuff on them & you just can't buy into the mob mentality
nbyevu 11th-Feb-2013 12:43 am (UTC)
ia with your comment about reddit, but I've noticed lately that whenever anyone does something in that list, other people are calling them out for it. Hope it changes for real....
jearsforqueers 11th-Feb-2013 12:41 am (UTC)
get it bill. reddit is awful.
nbyevu 11th-Feb-2013 12:42 am (UTC)
I like reddit for fandom-type stuff and as a general funny-ish distraction. r/harrypotter is pretty cool.

Otherwise though, there are many reddit users who think they are amazing people purely for knowing the website exists.
fusilli_head 11th-Feb-2013 12:51 am (UTC)
i can't on reddit for even fandom stuff because one of the doctor who subs i was a member of got extremely racist anytime martha was mentioned.
epona 11th-Feb-2013 12:54 am (UTC)
yup, I subscribe to a reddit for an asian girl group and although it's usually good for updates and cute pics damn the comments get creepy sometimes. mostly in a really desperate/thirsty/nice guy way.
crystalzelda 11th-Feb-2013 12:44 am (UTC)
where is the lie tho

reddit is where mras go to circlewank about how they're being oppressed cause no girls want to fuck them.
fusilli_head 11th-Feb-2013 12:54 am (UTC)
with their trilby hats that they misidentify as fedoras.
richeiieu 11th-Feb-2013 12:55 am (UTC)
That is true, I get that feeling from reading a lot of what people on that site say. But again, I don't think the entire Reddit community is like that.
crystalzelda 11th-Feb-2013 12:59 am (UTC)
It's not, but there's enough of them that it makes the entire experience very unpleasant and is just full of micro(and sometimes macro)aggressions that just ruin it, at least for me. With ONTD, you have a few messy threads and gross users but as someone who's really active here, that handful of people are few, easily identifiable, and troll so hard that they get banned pretty soon. Also most of them get jumped quickly - problem with reddit isn't the gross nasty comments, it's the fact that so many of them get hundreds/thousands of upvotes.
fishoftime 11th-Feb-2013 01:01 am (UTC)
ugh, i posted a link about the fucked up nature of reddit culture to facebook! tens of likes, except for all the straight white dudes who ganged up/ tried to explain to me that what i found misogynistic wasn't? smh. they were all reddit users, naturally.
richeiieu 11th-Feb-2013 01:03 am (UTC)
Ugh, ignore them please. :/ Go figure.
fishoftime 11th-Feb-2013 01:17 am (UTC)
yeah, i was shocked! luckily i have a ton of amazing friends who gave me a ton of support! it's like, the behaviour of those guys proved my point?
soavantgarde 11th-Feb-2013 01:13 am (UTC)
good on shatner for calling reddit out on their shit, that place has turned into such a cesspool in the last 4 years. some of the subreddits are pretty decent though, I enjoy the X-porn (earthporn, abandonedporn, historyporn, etc) subreddits, 2X and a few others
pastelstar 11th-Feb-2013 01:54 am (UTC)
I stay the fuck outta reddit.

I'm only here to say that I would still fuck the hell out of William Shatner.
blahcakes 11th-Feb-2013 02:03 am (UTC)
You all are being so fucking hypocritical. I've seen some twisted shit posted in LJ communities before so what exactly is different than a LJ community and a subreddit?
piratesswoop 12th-Feb-2013 02:54 am (UTC)
because for the most part, you need to have an active account and join these communities

like the vast majority of fic comms/journals on lj are friends locked. you need to join to see most of it, especially the explicit stuff. were you not around when the snarry shit went down?
blahcakes 12th-Feb-2013 03:42 am (UTC)
Reddit has private subreddits, as well, but that still doesn't change the fact that both of these platforms have the same content. You choose what subreddits you want you subscribe to, just like you subscribe to the communities on LJ you want to.

It seems that everyone complaining about how horrible Reddit is either reading comments from /r/MensRights, or similar subreddit, and acting like that's how the majority of Reddit acts or just joining the hate bandwagon - something ONTD likes to do. From my experience, there are a lot of insightful and interesting posts/comments that far outweigh the hate speech. Again, it's what subs you subscribe to.
grammaire 11th-Feb-2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Ugh I love William Shatner. And that he's a proud Canadian and brings it up all the time.
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