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1:22 pm - 02/07/2013

It's October 19th! The Hunger Deans Begin Tonight!



Watch NBC's 'Epic' promo for tonight's episode and tune in at 8 to the season 4 premiere of Community.  Your life will be better for it.  I promise.

And if anyone is so inclined, Joel McHale will be doing an AMA on Reddit starting at 2pm today (that's in about an hour).  It'll probably be in r/community.

The community writers did an AMA yesterday.


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One of the many reasons to watch the first three seasons of “Community,” the fiercely quirky and unapologetically smart NBC sitcom, was that you actually had to watch it. Every offhand remark, every reaction shot, every bit of physical business communicated something (usually something funny). More than any other show in prime time it demanded that you pay attention.

The sad simulacrum of “Community” that checks in Thursday for Season 4 makes no such claim on your concentration. Send a few e-mails, look at the television, order a pizza, look back at the TV. You won’t miss anything important, because there’s nothing important to miss.

Dan Harmon, the man who created “Community” and its misfit collection of community-college study partners, was cut loose after last season, a victim of low ratings — the series averaged four million viewers and finished 144th among prime-time shows — and of having a reputation for being difficult to work with. Rather than cancel the show, which finished a more encouraging 102nd in the crucial 18-to-49 demographic, NBC handed it to a new pair of producers, David Guarascio and Moses Port. Replacing an original show runner has been in vogue lately, and it’s not by definition a bad thing. “The Walking Dead” did fine when Frank Darabont was replaced by Glen Mazzara (who has since been replaced as well), and the jury is still out on “Smash” after Theresa Rebeck’s departure. But with “Community” the drop-off looks startling.

The show has been dumbed down, its humor broadened past recognition, and the two episodes provided for review — Thursday’s season premiere, “History 101,” and the Feb. 21 entry, “Conventions of Space and Time” — have fewer laughs between them than a single good scene from the old “Community.” (If you’re not already a fan of Seasons 1, 2 and 3, you can see for yourself online at Hulu, Amazon Instant Video, iTunes or Vudu.)

“History 101,” reintroducing the series after the highly publicized contentiousness surrounding Mr. Harmon’s departure, is busy enough to distract you for a while from the new lack of substance. The study group arrives to start its final year in school, and the high-strung Abed (Danny Pudi) is so freaked out by events that he keeps retreating into his mind, where he imagines several alternate TV shows starring his friends.

There’s a metaphor here for the tribulations of “Community” itself — we’re told that “Abed was having some anxiety about all the changes this year” — and when one of the shows Abed imagines is a lamebrained laugh-track sitcom, it reads as Mr. Guarascio and Mr. Port’s winking assurance to the audience that it’s not as bad as all that.

It’s not good, though. Exactly one line in the episode — when the louche college dean played by Jim Rash is told he smells like the floor of a movie theater and he replies, “Yeah, but not for the usual reasons” — sneaks up on you the way the old show’s writing always did.

A tossed-off sendup of “The Hunger Games” evokes Mr. Harmon’s fondness for pop-culture homage but is otherwise pointless. The new show is also louder (Mr. Harmon’s version was surprisingly quiet for a sitcom) and visually blander, with a heavy reliance on close-ups.

The title “History 101” ties the episode to the Season 3 opener, “Biology 101,” but that’s not a comparison the show’s new minders should be encouraging. Like them Mr. Harmon had a statement to make: Flouting criticism that his humor was too obscurantist and pop culture obsessed, he began the season with a hilarious — as well as dynamic and tuneful — production number that proclaimed, “We’re going to have more fun and be less weird than the first two years combined.” Fortunately, he didn’t mean it.

“Biology 101” was also the episode in which Britta (Gillian Jacobs) introduced Abed to “Inspector Spacetime” (a thinly veiled copy of “Doctor Who”), telling him, “It’s a British sci-fi show that’s been on the air since 1962.” So fans of the old “Community” may be puzzled by the Feb. 21 episode, largely set at an “Inspector Spacetime” convention, in which Britta seems to be learning about the show for the first time, asking, “Wow, there are 50 years of these, huh?”

It’s a small detail, but those matter in a show like “Community,” and not remembering or caring is another break of faith.

Which comes back to the idea of paying attention. The world of libraries and classrooms and off-campus apartments that Mr. Harmon created was highly detailed and fully realized, as were the crackpots and misanthropes who inhabited it. They might have been nut cases who negotiated reality through bad puns and movie references, but they were substantial and complex nut cases. In the new season they’ve been flattened and, especially in a story line in which Annie (Alison Brie) imagines marrying the bad boy Jeff (Joel McHale), sentimentalized. Also, they’re just not very funny.

There’s no reason Mr. Guarascio and Mr. Port should be expected to reproduce Mr. Harmon’s style or sensibility. And their assignment wasn’t easy. Taking over a quirky comedy like “Community” is probably more difficult than taking over a more formulaic drama — hourlong shows from “NYPD Blue” to “NCIS” to “The Walking Dead” have survived changes in show runners, and even thrived. Being asked to take a show with a distinctive, delicate chemistry and increase its audience is definitely a more difficult proposition than being asked to maintain an already highly rated franchise.

But the changes in “Community” feel like a total surrender. What the new episodes often resemble is the type of post-“Friends” sitcom that is defined by a jokey solipsism, in which the humor comes not from anything we’d recognize as real life but from the barely distinguishable characters’ constant battle to one-up one another. As it happens, Mr. Guarascio and Mr. Port worked together on one of those shows, “Happy Endings.”

The self-reflexiveness of the season premiere, with its “changes” theme, continues in the Feb. 21 episode, which includes an odd sequence in which Shirley (Yvette Nicole Brown) and the contrarian Pierce (Chevy Chase, who has said this is his last season) are in a focus group discussing an American remake of “Inspector Spacetime.” Pierce favors dumbing down, saying, “It’s funny because it’s clear.” Given Mr. Chase’s public unhappiness in the past with his character and the show in general, that’s some sort of in joke, though it’s not clear who’s the target.

Shirley, meanwhile, argues for sensitivity: “It’s smart, complicated and doesn’t talk down to its audience, so if you’d like to make a really good American version, you should stay true to that.” How should a “Community” fan read that: apology or taunt?

Apparently the new producers know what we want, but they won’t, or can’t, give it to us.

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I'm still excited for the premiere, but I don't think anyone expected the show to be the same after Dan Harmon left.  After all, he was forced out for a reason.
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tankmachine 7th-Feb-2013 06:48 pm (UTC)
still excited for this to finally start but i'm going into this season expecting a cancelation by the end of it :\
jaimelannister 7th-Feb-2013 06:59 pm (UTC)
yeah I've already lost Being Human today so....
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 07:09 pm (UTC)
Being Human got canceled?

Awwwwww....

(lol I still need to catch up, but I'm still sad.)
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 06:48 pm (UTC)
I'm so excited to finally have my show back.

But I am super worried that the change in showrunners means that it won't quite be "my show" anymore, you know?
stoicana 7th-Feb-2013 06:51 pm (UTC)
Yep. I've been contemplating this since Dan Harmon was ousted last spring. And that NYTimes article isn't helping matters...

But I'm still going to watch and support this show because the writers and the cast are still so awesome. Read the AMA they did yesterday. They really are great.

Sucks that Megan Ganz is leaving to go to Modern Family though.
jaimelannister 7th-Feb-2013 06:58 pm (UTC)
did you read the NYT review? It makes me really worried to be honest. I don't think we'll be getting quite what we wanted.

Maybe if I go in with super-low expectations I'll be pleased?
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 06:59 pm (UTC)
I haven't read any reviews. I'm trying to go in with zero expectations.
larrylurker 7th-Feb-2013 07:12 pm (UTC)
read a couple of reviews from tv critics(not the NYT one) and they all seem to have the general sentiment after seeing two episodes

low expectations indeed

Edited at 2013-02-07 07:13 pm (UTC)
sapphire908 7th-Feb-2013 07:30 pm (UTC)
I was watching an interview with Gillian, Alison, and Yvette and they said that even though they lost Dan, a lot of the writers and directors are people they've worked with for a while so it should still be ok. fingers crossed.
magli 7th-Feb-2013 06:50 pm (UTC)
Happy October 19th!
kaiserschmarrn 7th-Feb-2013 06:57 pm (UTC)
I'm not too worried about the new showrunners because I've fallen a bit out of love with the show over the seasons anyway. I loved the last half of s1 and the first half s2 and beyond that I can only remember some episodes, it became much more hit-and-miss for me. So yeah, I'll hope it'll be funny and consistent again even if it's slightly different (and I hope that they get Britta right because her character deteriorated).
metalheavy 7th-Feb-2013 07:07 pm (UTC)
(and I hope that they get Britta right because her character deteriorated)

Ugh, yes. She was unrecognizable by the end of season three.
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 07:09 pm (UTC)
lol. I'm a special snowflake who think that Britta got better and better as a character as the show went on.
kaiserschmarrn 7th-Feb-2013 07:14 pm (UTC)
ia she got insanely weird but bad-weird and not good-weird... I don't even know how to explain it but she didn't always seem too dumb to function.
croutonochrist 7th-Feb-2013 07:30 pm (UTC)
Right? She got so DUMB.
zoaster_toaster 7th-Feb-2013 06:57 pm (UTC)
OMG I'M SO EXCITED!!!!
fauxkaren Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 06:59 pm (UTC)
List 'em here!
fauxkaren Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:01 pm (UTC)
I HAVE SO MANY YOU GUYS.

- Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
- Intermediate Documentary Filmmaking
- Paradigms of Human Memory
- Remedial Chaos Theory
- Pillows and Blankets
- Documentary Filmmaking Redux
- Curriculum Unavailable

(AND I PROBABLY FORGOT SOME TOO. I JUST LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUUUUUCH)
stoicana Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:03 pm (UTC)
OMword YES. How could I have forgotten all the pillow fort and blanket fort ones?!

Advanced D&D though was painful to watch in a good way. As much as I know people here hate Dan Harmon, he insisted on that episode when Sony wanted him not to do it. I respect him for that.
tsarinakate1 Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:13 pm (UTC)
Pillows and Blankets might be my favorite episode of tv of all time. Its Community and its a funny documentary?! I have rewatched that episode countless times.
la_petite_singe Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:28 pm (UTC)
REMEDIAL CHAOS THEORY omg I have watched that so many, many times. "ROOOOX--!" "No."

And I dearly love Digital Estate Planning too. And of course Regional Holiday Music.
stoicana Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:02 pm (UTC)
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

Remedial Chaos Theory.

A Fistfull of Paintballs.
jaimelannister Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
Paradigms of Human Memory
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
For a Few Paintballs More
That one on tumblr you asked me about...Course Listing Unavailable
Pillows and Blankets
Regional Holiday Music
Remedial Chaos Theory
Horror Fiction in Seven Spooky Steps
and, of course, Virtual Systems Analysis

wow, a lot of S3...

ETA: both the Documentary ones!

Edited at 2013-02-07 07:06 pm (UTC)
fauxkaren Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
OH ALSO

Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas!
magli Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:12 pm (UTC)
Modern Warfare
Mixology Certification (I think this one is my fave)
Custody Law and Eastern European Diplomacy
Digital Estate Planning
lilyoda Re: Favorite Community Episodes???7th-Feb-2013 07:33 pm (UTC)
Debate 109
Comparative Religion
Physical Education
Introduction to Pottery
Modern Warfare
Cooperative Calligraphy
Conspiracy Theory and Interior Design
Epidemiology
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
Critical Film Studies
Paradigms of Human Memory
Remedial Chaos Theory
Foosball and Nocturnal Vigilantism
Digital Estate Planning
Studies in Modern Movement
Introduction to Finality
vanishingbee 7th-Feb-2013 07:16 pm (UTC)
I don't know when I'm going to be able to watch this, which kiiiills me. ASAP, is all I can say for sure.
enlightenight 7th-Feb-2013 07:16 pm (UTC)
"The title “History 101” ties the episode to the Season 3 opener, “Biology 101,” "

Well hello, first episodes of seasons always named like this. Spanish 101, Anthropology 101...
jaimelannister 7th-Feb-2013 07:29 pm (UTC)
"Spanish 101" was episode 2, but only because the first was "Pilot"
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 07:23 pm (UTC)
violue 7th-Feb-2013 07:30 pm (UTC)
I was reading the writers' AMA last night. Some exciting stuff, but also some disappointing stuff.
croutonochrist 7th-Feb-2013 07:33 pm (UTC)
Do you have the link? I missed it.
stoicana 7th-Feb-2013 07:38 pm (UTC)
It's in the post, duh doi.
violue 7th-Feb-2013 08:28 pm (UTC)
baha i didn't even see this until now because I was lurking in Joel's AMA
fauxkaren 7th-Feb-2013 07:35 pm (UTC)
lol. Idk if I want to read through all of that.

Anything in particular that you want to mention?
prophecypro 7th-Feb-2013 07:31 pm (UTC)
It'll probably be a decent season but I expect a full backlash to the new season and people will start the fallacy that's its because Harmon left.
stoicana 7th-Feb-2013 07:39 pm (UTC)
It's inevitably going to be different now that Harmon's gone, though.
croutonochrist 7th-Feb-2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
I'm so excited!
bodyline 7th-Feb-2013 07:44 pm (UTC)
I'M SO UPSET I'M GOING TO BE AT SCHOOL WHEN THIS AIRS :'(
lilyoda 7th-Feb-2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
I can't wait to watch this tonight. I know not having Harmon as show runner will make a difference but I have faith in the writers there to uphold the same level of Community-ness as the last seasons.
najacheese 7th-Feb-2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
Cautiously optimistic. Very cautious. But hey, it's back and I'm excited!
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