ONTD

10:04 am - 02/07/2013

megan phelps has left the westboro batshit "church"



“There's no fresh start in today's world. Any twelve-year-old with a cell phone could find out what you did. Everything we do is collated and quantified. Everything sticks.”

Don’t act surprised that I’m quoting Batman. At WBC, reciting lines from pop culture is par for the course. And why not? The sentiments they express are readily identifiable by the masses – and shifting their meaning is as easy as giving them new context. So put Selina Kyle’s words in a different framework:

In a city in a state in the center of a country lives a group of people who believe they are the center of the universe; they know Right and Wrong, and they are Right. They work hard and go to school and get married and have kids who they take to church and teach that continually protesting the lives, deaths, and daily activities of The World is the only genuine statement of compassion that a God-loving human can sincerely make. As parents, they are attentive and engaged, and the children learn their lessons well.

This is my framework.

Until very recently, this is what I lived, breathed, studied, believed, preached – loudly, daily, and for nearly 27 years.

I never thought it would change. I never wanted it to.

Then suddenly: it did.

And I left.

Where do you go from there?

I don't know, exactly. My sister Grace is with me, though. We’re trying to figure it out together.

There are some things we do know.

We know that we’ve done and said things that hurt people. Inflicting pain on others wasn’t the goal, but it was one of the outcomes. We wish it weren’t so, and regret that hurt.

We know that we dearly love our family. They now consider us betrayers, and we are cut off from their lives, but we know they are well-intentioned. We will never not love them.

We know that we can’t undo our whole lives. We can’t even say we’d want to if we could; we are who we are because of all the experiences that brought us to this point. What we can do is try to find a better way to live from here on. That’s our focus.

Up until now, our names have been synonymous with “God Hates Fags.” Any twelve-year-old with a cell phone could find out what we did. We hope Ms. Kyle was right about the other part, too, though – that everything sticks – and that the changes we make in our lives will speak for themselves.

Megan and Grace

source: https://medium.com/turning-points/83d2ef8ba4f5

good for her, hopefully this is a sign of the end.
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abiding 7th-Feb-2013 12:12 am (UTC)
Holy shit, good for them.
opusdeihohoho 7th-Feb-2013 12:13 am (UTC)
that's great news!
good for her and her sis. must be hard to leave your family.
skeletwin 7th-Feb-2013 12:14 am (UTC)
good for her, i know ontd knows how hard it is to come out of a hateful cult!!!
romp 7th-Feb-2013 12:16 am (UTC)
In December, she went to a public library in Lawrence, Kansas. She was looking through books on philosophy and religion, and it struck her that people had devoted their entire lives to studying these questions of how to live and what is right and wrong. “The idea that only WBC had the right answer seemed crazy,” she says. “It just seemed impossible.”

Go libraries!
ladysherlock 7th-Feb-2013 12:28 am (UTC)
I know! So awesome.
massielita 7th-Feb-2013 12:37 am (UTC)
Indeed. And that's another reason cults and uber-fundie churches preach against education, schools, libraries etc and brainwash their members into just believing on faith. They quote that 'the letter kills' bible verse for extra measure because they know that the minute someone starts questioning and looking into literature its gonna be over
romp 7th-Feb-2013 12:57 am (UTC)
one of my fave Chick tracts was about the evils of college--you'll read Oscar Wilde!!!
thesilverymoon 7th-Feb-2013 01:04 am (UTC)
Especially LPL. It's an absolutely wonderful library. I hope I see her around there someday, I bet she'd be interesting to talk to.
anna_is_macabre 7th-Feb-2013 01:07 am (UTC)
That's my town! Haha
pickledprose 9th-Feb-2013 02:31 pm (UTC)
omg <3
lestat 7th-Feb-2013 12:17 am (UTC)
i see ONTD has no clue how cults work.

Edited at 2013-02-07 12:17 am (UTC)
exlenne 7th-Feb-2013 12:22 am (UTC)
I'm a bit surprised, with as much focus Scientology gets, etc. You'd think ONTD would be more educated.

I mean, the WBC actually teaches the children that if they go out into the world they will get physically sick. That as punishment for leaving the only true church they will become deathly ill, covered in boils and possibly die from being poisoned by the impure world. That every single person outside of the church is completely heartsick and depressed and aimless and never knows a minute of happiness.

It doesn't matter how bad a place is when you're taught, as bad as it is, everywhere else is much worse.
hollis1975 7th-Feb-2013 12:22 am (UTC)
sometimes i wonder how ontd can get their pants on in the morning.

these sisters will need extensive therapy with someone who focuses on cults.
exlenne 7th-Feb-2013 12:23 am (UTC)
They'll never be right. Hopefully they will lead happy lives, much better than they would have in the church. But they'll never get those years back, and they'll never completely recover from that many years of extensive thought control. It's very sad, but at least they're on the right track.
mmbien 7th-Feb-2013 12:25 am (UTC)
i doubt most of them leave their houses/mother's basements, so no pants required.
orangeandblack 7th-Feb-2013 12:36 am (UTC)
I'd say it's selective reading but we all now ONTD doesn't read.
invisible_cunt 7th-Feb-2013 01:49 am (UTC)
ikr. some people can't even read half a page of text.
how do they survive in school?
luvlorn 7th-Feb-2013 07:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, it can take years of therapy to get over abuse from someone who isn't half as controlling as Fred Phelps plus all the brainwashing. This is a big step for these girls and I hope they get help.
massielita 7th-Feb-2013 12:38 am (UTC)
For real. The fucking judgement in some of these comments is absurd
eightball 7th-Feb-2013 12:18 am (UTC)
thats a huge step. i like to think that if someone opens up their mind sincerely, theres no reason why they can't grow. she's still pretty young, I hope she finds people that will give her a chance because everyone deserves an opportunity to their life around if they're willing.
snappple 7th-Feb-2013 12:24 am (UTC)
I imagine everyone here who is judging her have no idea what it means to be in a cult, and how traumatizing must it be to leave the cult and be cut off and ostracized by everyone you know. I know a lot of judgmental people here are attacking her and her sister for their previous views but anyone who comes out of that cult denouncing it and risking everything they have for rightfulness and love have my support and respect.
raised_eyebrows 7th-Feb-2013 12:28 am (UTC)
It definitely takes a strong person to leave WBC. I mean, her reputation is ruined. Imagine how hard it'll be for her to get a job and support herself. Leaving couldn't have been an easy choice.
idgi 7th-Feb-2013 12:38 am (UTC)
nah, steve drain's daughter left and she was already an r.n. and moved to connecticut. libby phelps was a physiotherapist, still lives in kansas and is doing fine since she left. megan was in college for something and graduated, but i forgot what.
misscrystal 7th-Feb-2013 02:22 am (UTC)
Few of the ones who leave keep their last names. Megan's last name is Phelps-Roper so she can easily just use Roper and no one would know who she really was.
grammaire 7th-Feb-2013 01:38 am (UTC)
AMEN
scheisse 7th-Feb-2013 12:25 am (UTC)
I don't know how to feel.

Part of me is like, "Good for you," while the other part of me is like, "WTF" at the part where she tries to justify her family's actions. Maybe as time passes and she comes to her senses, she'll realize how wrong they are and that they do in fact have "bad intentions".

Edit: I didn't really take into account that the WBC is a cult, so her justifying her family makes sense. Still hope she comes to her senses. It would be great for her to speak out against them.

Edited at 2013-02-07 12:27 am (UTC)
colorzplosion 7th-Feb-2013 12:28 am (UTC)
I mean... she was brainwashed for 27 years by the people she cares most about. having to deal with the fact that your family is ill-intentioned is really tough and, I would imagine, exponentially more difficult if you've been a member of a cult your whole life.
swissbeauty23 7th-Feb-2013 12:25 am (UTC)
They drop like flies out of this shithole
tragickingdomxo 7th-Feb-2013 12:26 am (UTC)
The documentary with Louis Theroux made me feel sorry for how isolated she was. Her family didn't give a shit that she wasn't ever going to be able to date or interact with society outside of the church when she really wanted friends or to get married.
mothflavour 7th-Feb-2013 12:27 am (UTC)
Yeah it seemed like she was totally removed from so much of the world, and she used social media/interviews to connect with people as much as she was allowed.

The fact that a simple trip to the library/a conversation could change her whole world view shows how ignorant she was.
idgi 7th-Feb-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
jael phelps in one of the documentaries louis made said no one would marry her. then she married some goon from the UK who watched the documentary and fell *in love* with her. i guess he had to join to marry her. i saw the wedding pictures in their church on her facebook. i guess after fred, and after shirley, she'll be the one running the cult.
exlenne 7th-Feb-2013 12:46 am (UTC)
Jael will never run the church.
mothflavour 7th-Feb-2013 12:26 am (UTC)
Good for her. Hope they can find peace in their lives. Unlikely tho:(
whosebatman 7th-Feb-2013 12:27 am (UTC)
Good for her, I hope it's true and she sticks with it.



Apparently a couple years before I transferred to my University, the WBC came and picketed our Theatre department [which I am a theatre major] for a show we were doing. Listening to my teach talk about it, he thought it was totally hilarious and awesome.
hoot 7th-Feb-2013 12:33 am (UTC)
It was probably great publicity for that show! lol
whosebatman 7th-Feb-2013 12:44 am (UTC)
I heard it was, and students of the school, not just the theatre kids had a candle vigil silent protest across the street from where they were.
orangeandblack 7th-Feb-2013 12:31 am (UTC)
Once she's away from that mess and hopefully able to be around folks who know better, she'll understand that there are no 'good intentions'. This is the first step in the series of many to come for her, I hope she can stay strong and live a peaceful life.

I also hope that this will help to show the kids still trapped there that they may be able to escape too.
megalixer 7th-Feb-2013 12:31 am (UTC)
lol I'm ngl I thought that she might have been headed this way when I watched those Louis Theroux docs. It seemed to me like she had a crush on him, lol.

I wonder what prompted the final break, though.
warriorholmes 7th-Feb-2013 12:32 am (UTC)
i am very, very happy about this.

i hope she gets therapy and starts fresh and moves on with her life. i can't imagine what she's gone through. :/
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