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10:40 pm - 02/04/2013

royalty post, i guess.

‘Beyond reasonable doubt’: King Richard III’s battle-scarred skeleton found buried Leicester parking lot
Jill Lawless, Associated Press


He wore the English crown, but he ended up defeated, humiliated and reviled.

Now things are looking up for King Richard III. Scientists announced Monday that they had found the monarch’s 500-year-old remains under a parking lot in the city of Leicester — a discovery Richard’s fans say will rewrite the history books.

University of Leicester researchers say tests on a battle-scarred skeleton unearthed last year prove “beyond reasonable doubt” that it is the king, who died at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, and whose remains have been missing for centuries.

“Richard III, the last Plantaganet King of England, has been found,” said the university’s deputy registrar, Richard Taylor.

Bone specialist Jo Appleby said study of the bones provided “a highly convincing case for identification of Richard III.”

And DNA from the skeleton matched a sample taken from a distant living relative of Richard’s sister. Geneticist Turi King said London, Ont.-born Michael Ibsen, a 55-year-old Canadian carpenter now living in Britain, shares with the skeleton a rare strain of mitochondrial DNA. She said combined with the archaeological evidence, that left little doubt the skeleton belonged to Richard.

Ibsen said he was “stunned” to discover he was related to the king — he is a 17th great-grand-nephew of Richard’s older sister.

“It’s difficult to digest,” he said.
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fauxkaren 5th-Feb-2013 03:53 am (UTC)
Richard III is my 2nd favorite Shakespeare history play.

This has been my contribution to the post.
quizblorg 5th-Feb-2013 03:54 am (UTC)
What's your favourite one?
fauxkaren 5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
Richard 2. I just love the language and speeches in it.
xcollsangelx 5th-Feb-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
It's my favorite!
drownanddive 5th-Feb-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
I love Richard III. It's one of my favorites, as well. I don't have a favorite; it's too hard to choose.
fasdsr2 5th-Feb-2013 04:52 am (UTC)
It's one of my faves too!
starzangelus 5th-Feb-2013 05:35 am (UTC)
One of my favorites, too! :)
allwasnew 5th-Feb-2013 03:53 am (UTC)
Seriously though, this is really interesting.

And just looking at his spine makes my back hurt.
jaesis So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 03:54 am (UTC)
I still think it was Richard III.
sweetnessarose Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
Seems like he had the most to gain by their death, didn't he?
sadisticsidhe Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 04:00 am (UTC)
Possibly. Though they were already declared Illegitimate by Titulus Regulus based on their father having a precontract with someone else therefore ineligible to inherit.
jaesis Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 04:12 am (UTC)
Yep. Although I think if Henry could have, he would have done it also.
rumblerawr Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
i think so too
queenweasley Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 04:06 am (UTC)
I think Richard III.
colonel_green Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 04:16 am (UTC)
The case for anybody other than Richard III, and particularly the case for Henry VII (the favourite candidate of Ricardians, generally), is far, far weaker than the case that it was Richard. He had the most to gain from their deaths, at least arguably, he had definite opportunity, and his actions during the following years make far more sense if the princes were dead than if they were alive.

His opponents made his supposed murder of the princes a major propaganda piece against him during the actual conflict, but he never bothered to refute their being dead. With that in mind, any explanation for how somebody else was able to infiltrate Richard's most secure prison and murder royal hostages is much more convoluted than Richard himself just ordering it. If Henry had that kind of reach, he could just as easily have killed Richard.
xcollsangelx Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
Margaret Beaufort had someone do it.



johnjie Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 05:42 am (UTC)
I reckon Henry Tudor or someone in Henry's retinue
zoaster_toaster Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 06:17 am (UTC)
I would also say Richard III made the order to kill them - it definitely would've made Henry VII's case for taking down Richard stronger, but as long as the princes lived, mere disinheritance of the two boys wouldn't have made Richard's throne secure.
pimpmytardis Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 08:14 am (UTC)
Richard did them, but probably none of the others the Tudors attributed to him.
lunarsole Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 12:56 pm (UTC)
So do I.
hollis1975 Re: So who killed the Princes in the Tower?5th-Feb-2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
IA. he had the best opportunity and reason
goldengal1193 5th-Feb-2013 03:54 am (UTC)
I love these types of things.



Look at him posing.
pixiegerms 5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
looks like he's rockin a justin bieber jaden smith squint
goldengal1193 5th-Feb-2013 04:03 am (UTC)
YESSS. That's what it reminded me of.
allwasnew 5th-Feb-2013 04:05 am (UTC)
You forgot to mention his sexy Blossom hat.
itspokerface 6th-Feb-2013 01:09 am (UTC)
lol yes
solestella 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
look at those thin lips, someone hook him up with some fillers stat
winter_lace 5th-Feb-2013 04:13 am (UTC)
How is he not 50 in this picture? Look at those crows feet
heart_of_butter 5th-Feb-2013 06:59 am (UTC)
Rocking that Daniel Craig With a Bad Wig realness
pimpmytardis 5th-Feb-2013 08:15 am (UTC)
This is cropped though, I love how he's playing with his ring in the full picture.
keef_riffhards 5th-Feb-2013 03:55 am (UTC)
this is so fucking rad
sweetnessarose 5th-Feb-2013 03:55 am (UTC)
As a History Major, I would just like to say FUCKING AWESOME.
pacificway 5th-Feb-2013 03:58 am (UTC)
omg I was just going to write, "As a History major grad..." :-)
chiihiro 5th-Feb-2013 06:03 am (UTC)
As a history minor, ita.
zoaster_toaster 5th-Feb-2013 06:20 am (UTC)
History majors unite at this glorious news!
pimpmytardis 5th-Feb-2013 08:16 am (UTC)
Hells yeah! Well, I was a theatre major and incomplete history minor, but it's still FUCKING AWESOME.
lunarsole 5th-Feb-2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
I'm a history major too and I'm loving this.
stuckmodebabe 5th-Feb-2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
Same. I've been excited about this since September.
pacificway 5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
Very cool.
one_hoopy_frood 5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
I am sooooo nerdily excited about this omfg. I've been talking about it with my medieval studies friends all day.
__papillon 5th-Feb-2013 04:01 am (UTC)
i'm so sad one of my favorite english professors has retired. he handled the shakespeare/other pre 1700s english lit courses and he was always so excited about things like this. also he was old and posh english accent and walked around in a trench coat and hat and carried an umbrella around like a walking stick and told the class he didn't watch football because "it's for the working class and i prefer rugby which is the gentleman's game," lol.
one_hoopy_frood 5th-Feb-2013 04:08 am (UTC)
Oh man, that reminds me of my Renaissance history professor who was a Cambridge man through and through. He would spontaneously burst into the longest soliloquies from Shakespeare in front of the class and act them amazingly. He did a great Richard III, complete with hunchback. He is a few years younger than Hugh Laurie and went to school with him and absolutely despises him, but also frequently brags about how he once acted with Emma Thompson.
sadisticsidhe 5th-Feb-2013 03:57 am (UTC)
This is seriously one of my favorite things. History! DNA! Bioarchaeology! Parking Lots!

Also, I don't care if this isn't real, I cracked up.

marywebgirl 5th-Feb-2013 04:00 am (UTC)
lol
cruel_idol 5th-Feb-2013 04:41 am (UTC)
ROFL
heart_of_butter 5th-Feb-2013 07:02 am (UTC)
lmao
__papillon 5th-Feb-2013 03:58 am (UTC)
if they give him a state funeral it's going to be one of those funny british things lol i hope they televise it so we can have a viewing post imo!
one_hoopy_frood 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
I would watch the shit out of that. I heard he is going to have a multi-faith funeral in an article by the guardian, which is kind of hilarious because he is, you know, dead. But I bet the Catholics would be all butthurt if they did an Anglican funeral.
allwasnew 5th-Feb-2013 04:00 am (UTC)
Just think of the fancy royal funeral hats!
dedradawn 5th-Feb-2013 03:51 pm (UTC)
And Pippa's ass!
marywebgirl 5th-Feb-2013 04:01 am (UTC)
Does he have any connection to the present-day royals though?
xcollsangelx 5th-Feb-2013 04:28 am (UTC)
I would watch the shit out of it.

atrum_silva 5th-Feb-2013 06:22 am (UTC)
State funeral! I'm all about watching that.
violue 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
omgggg that's kind of rad
marywebgirl 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
He was so young. I've never been into royalty much but it seems like they used to either die super young or live for freaking ever.
classiqfemme 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
Slightly OT but I loved Shakespeare's Richard III. I was rooting for this vicious bitch.
*cough* I mean YAY SCIENCE!
faithgrowsold 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
damn his spine be cray
grammaire 5th-Feb-2013 03:59 am (UTC)
This is unbelievable. Looks like he had pretty nice teeth considering he was British (and it's been over 500 years). That spine though.

Also, how amazing is it that we have the technology to extract and trace DNA? Amazing.



Edited at 2013-02-05 04:03 am (UTC)
andi88 5th-Feb-2013 04:22 am (UTC)
Looks like he had pretty nice teeth considering he was British (and it's been over 500 years)

lol that was mte as I scrolled past
weekendoffender 5th-Feb-2013 04:47 am (UTC)
Horrible Histories taught me that peeps in the old days tended to have amazing teeth as they didn't eat all the sugar/salt/fat stuffed things we do now.

Apparently they reckon the Vikings has the best teeth.
velvetunicorn 5th-Feb-2013 05:37 am (UTC)
i've learned so much from horrible histories
skippity_doo 6th-Feb-2013 11:11 pm (UTC)
PAGE THREE?! PAGE THREE BEFORE A HH REFERENCE?!

ONTD, I am disappoint. >:-(

(Did you see the documentary, presented by Stupid Death?!)
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