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4:17 pm - 01/21/2013

Lena Dunham talks about Girls, how Donald Glover was totally not a token



That didn’t take long. Last night, after exactly two episodes and one Ayn Rand reference, Donald Glover’s black Republican was kicked off Girls. Put more specifically, he was written off the show after a mortifying breakup fight seemingly designed to answer the many criticisms surrounding Girls and its lack of racial diversity. When Vulture spoke to Lena Dunham a few weeks ago, she told us that Glover was cast before the public outcry (“why would you not want to kiss him on TV?”) but that he felt like the right actor to address certain issues. Here are a few more breakup-related thoughts from Dunham:

Much of the final breakup scene was improvised.
“There was a script but we just went HAM on the script; I mean, we went crazy. The script was the basic arc of that conversation, and the improv was my weird Missy Elliot rap lyric and the moment where Donald goes on his diatribe and he’s like, “I’m gonna get a fixed gear bike and I’m gonna date a black guy!”
All that stuff. Donald raps a lot about his relationship to being like a hipster black guy and the fact that he’s been in like a very white comedy scene and a very white like indie music scene — he has that lyric about being the only black guy at the Sufjan Stevens show — so he had a lot to say on the topic.”

Donald Glover wasn’t cast “as a reaction to anyone.”
“We cast Donald because of a love of his work.
But having such a conscientious person with so many particular opinions on the topic, it seemed only correct that we should play around together on that.”

That fight isn’t really about black Republicans at all.
“Hannah acts like she has a political issue with him, but what she actually has an issue with is him disliking what she does. Because she feels like she should receive universal praise, and the fact that someone’s sleeping with her should also mean that they respect her prose style.”

And yes, Lena Dunham has been there before.
“I’ve had one boyfriend who I knew had an active … not dislike, but some issues with what I did. It wasn’t even like he was like, 'I think you’re pushing a weird agenda.' He just didn’t think I was that great a writer. It was right when Tiny Furniture was coming out, and I didn’t love it. It’s important to me to receive constructive criticism and I don’t want to be with a yes man, but I want to be with somebody who at the very baseline level thinks that I’m talented and takes what I do seriously. I couldn’t be attracted to someone if they made work that I found absurd.”

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les_ypersound 22nd-Jan-2013 12:55 am (UTC)
so you're saying token blacks are usually republicans?
that doesn't make much sense tbh.
bellwetherr 22nd-Jan-2013 01:26 am (UTC)
that's not what they're saying. everyone in the show is white and liberal so adding in a black republican is token in more than one way.
les_ypersound 22nd-Jan-2013 01:35 am (UTC)
you're talking about him being an easy foil geared esp to piss off her race baiting critics... ok, yeah to lazy writing on lena dunham's part. but tbh i'll take a black republican boyfriend who has a complicated history dating white women over an even more simplistic sassy black best friend who adds nothing and has zero relevant backstory. not that these are the only two options for having POC on tv shows... but given that the expectation is set really low for dunham, it'd be black republican bf or sassy black jew/mixed bf [*edit: best friend].

if she's ignorant about race and doesn't feel comfortable writing black ppl why FORCE it on her? her reality is white people. let her write about it and sure critique the shit out of it... but i'd rather her stick to writing about what she knows than to really, unimaginatively tokenize us just because ppl whined about it.

Edited at 2013-01-22 01:38 am (UTC)
bellwetherr 22nd-Jan-2013 01:47 am (UTC)
dude. i don't really give a shit about this show anymore. i was just elaborating on what the OP was saying.
supermishelle 22nd-Jan-2013 03:32 am (UTC)
She doesn't have to write it if she doesn't feel comfortable writing it she could've just as easily HIRED some Black writers to write the character for her, they're already struggling throw them a damn bone, don't give me this cop out token negro bs.
les_ypersound 22nd-Jan-2013 11:05 am (UTC)
This doesn't solve the issue I'm raising, it's just sidestepping it... in fact you're asking Lena Dunham to tokenize a real life person--a POC writer to write POC in a way that can be deemed politically correct in an edgy way... ugh. no thanks.
supermishelle 22nd-Jan-2013 03:55 pm (UTC)
Actually no. It's quite common when you don't know how to write something to hire someone to do it right in show business. And I'm pretty sure you're misusing the term politically correct here. Usually when someone is a token they're either there to teach the person a lesson, or they're just there to not do anything and to be a token. From watching this show the whole situation seemed completely unreal to me. Liberal white girl meets a conservative black man and they indulge in a political/racial taboo love affair that only lasts 2 episodes? That's stupid. Maybe if she'd hired someone who knew what the hell they were doing, they'd be able to have a PoC in the show for more than 2 episodes.

Edited at 2013-01-22 03:58 pm (UTC)
booster_blue 22nd-Jan-2013 04:23 am (UTC)
There's no one way to write black people. True story: we're as varied as white folk. So this idea that because she doesn't know any PoC, she can't write them is bullshit. It's what lazy racists (and remember: racism isn't just a burning cross, or dropping the n-word) say to excuse their refusal to include people outside their race.
les_ypersound 22nd-Jan-2013 10:57 am (UTC)
Ok so it's a lazy racist problem... lena dunham's world is mostly white because of exterior forces and perhaps unconscious fears/misconceptions. i get that, but i still don't want her to be FORCED to write in token representations of black people just because the larger system around her ignorant ass doesn't see the lives/fleshed-out representation of POC as bankable tv show characters/show premises.
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