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3:41 am - 01/21/2013

Defending Taylor Swift

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I've finally reached my breaking point. LEAVE BRITNEY TAYLOR ALONE.

To give you some background, it seems that people are especially mad at T Swizzle this month. They are upset with her for many reasons, like ostensibly being asexual, having an out-of-control interest in antique shopping, dating too many men, and not being sufficiently feminist. Let me repeat. Asexual. Antique shopping. Too many men. Anti-feminist.

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*I don't fully agree that Taylor is some kind of feminist role model, because she doesn't label herself as one.  However, I do find that some of the critiques of her and her music are very telling.  Criticizing Taylor Swift for her life choices says more about those criticizing her than it does about Taylor. 
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bee_xx3 21st-Jan-2013 03:45 pm (UTC)
Her backlash has been brewing for a while now. Even aside from her personal life country stans have been bitter about her for the longest for sweeping all the country awards when her music is not country. Lmao she'll probably lay low for a while till that Harry song comes out in 2014.
h0tfuss 21st-Jan-2013 03:49 pm (UTC)
I hate the argument that anyone is anti-feminist. There are a lot of problems in the feminist movement, and you don't have to be a part of it in order to believe in equality.
anchors_oceans 21st-Jan-2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
i think one of the biggest problems with feminism is that most people don't know what it really means.
mynamehere07 21st-Jan-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
ITA. I'm really bothered when people try to cram their own view or definition of feminism onto others.
eyduh 21st-Jan-2013 04:29 pm (UTC)
A lot of people don't know what feminism means
h0tfuss 21st-Jan-2013 04:37 pm (UTC)
Or alternately, it's possible to believe in equality and to be informed about feminism but to opt out of the movement because the third wave sucks. I am not a feminist, but my ideals are what they are. To call me anti-feminist wouldn't be an insult. It would be true.
milly 21st-Jan-2013 03:50 pm (UTC)
I dislike her because she is basically the "special snowflake" complex put to life, or at least her public image, despite being thoroughly ordinary. She's not like most girls! She wears t-shirts! She's not a bitch ! She is basically the female version of the nice guy. Her fake surprise and innocence complex are also the opposite of endearing.

Aside from that, she can sleep - or not sleep - with whoever and how many boys she wants. Not my business and just one more thing that makes her like girls her age.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
"She's not a bitch!" - Are we seriously shitting on her for being consistently polite and friendly in interviews/ with fans?

I don't think she has an innocence complex either - she's quite open about sex and her own flaws on her latest album, and we shouldn't forget that she was 15 when writing the songs on her first album. we can't hold her forever to who she was at that age.
iamalreadyinuse 21st-Jan-2013 04:22 pm (UTC)
Bless you.
h0tfuss 21st-Jan-2013 04:38 pm (UTC)
I agree. Some people are just sweet and don't go very deep.
kknee13 21st-Jan-2013 06:33 pm (UTC)
people will hold her up to the age which is going on 9 years ago but then get mad when you bring up nasty girl lol
heyx_lyla 21st-Jan-2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
I love this comment. Actually, I love all of your comments in this post.
carryyourheart 21st-Jan-2013 08:29 pm (UTC)
mte
ediesedgwick 21st-Jan-2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
"She is basically the female version of the nice guy."

yup. ita.
lucciolaa 21st-Jan-2013 04:33 pm (UTC)
So much truth in this comment rn
dirtyknife 21st-Jan-2013 06:31 pm (UTC)
IA that she basically epitomizes the Nice Girl. It's fucking nauseating.
nationalboner 21st-Jan-2013 07:15 pm (UTC)
So true.
complaining 21st-Jan-2013 03:50 pm (UTC)
Meh, I'm just not a fan of her music.
ellyrianna 21st-Jan-2013 03:52 pm (UTC)
Idk I think she's smart. She's got a great PR machine and she works the system to her advantage. I give her props for it. I don't even really think it's that terrible that she "bashes" the women her exes leave her for in her songs because doesn't every other artist do that, too? In every capacity (movies, books, etc)?

What I do think is that she's sort of reached the brink with all this fake relationship shit and she either needs to not date anyone for a while or she needs to have an actual, lasting relationship. The Harry Styles thing was so overblown and so obviously PR generated that I think in the end it was a bad move for her to make. Now she can't date anyone else for a while because of how fake the other one was.
zeoshi 21st-Jan-2013 03:53 pm (UTC)
tbh the main reason why i dislike t.swift (besides her music) is that her pr is constantly pushing these fake-ass relationships. they aren't even being subtle about it anymore. it's hard to take her heartbreak seriously when you know the whole relationship was orchestrated for the media.

also a lot of this t.swift backlash exists solely online. irl, most people are pretty much in love w/ her

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ellyrianna 21st-Jan-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
it's hard to take her heartbreak seriously when you know the whole relationship was orchestrated for the media.

Exactly! I basically wrote the same thing right above you but yeah, you put it better.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
i feel like i'm pretty cynical about celebrity culture and yet i still don't understand why ontd dismisses so many relationships as pr. like, i'm sure taylor and harry didn't mind the extra publicity.. but to say it was all for pr?

harry was crushing on her in interviews since last april. they kept their relationship low key for well over a month. they stayed with his family in rural england for a week with just twitter sightings. they went on holidays to utah and the caribbean with no paparazzi. they met each other's siblings and parents. i don't know, i just feel like that's a LOT of effort for publicity.
ginger_maya 21st-Jan-2013 04:00 pm (UTC)
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The only thing I agree with in this article is the part about her asexuality. Everything else is pure drivel.

First of all, she's not a girl, she's an adult woman, so quit the patronization while you're ahead.

Second, the problem isn't that Taylor Swift fucks around, the problem is that she tells people about it afterwards and shames the ones she fucked around with. She has no concept of privacy. It's gross and crass when John Meyer does it, it's gross and crass when Taylor Swift does it. True, a lot of people conflate the two issues out of misogyny - shaming her for being a "slut" and shaming for not respecting the people she was with - but that does not mean that the latter does not apply.

Third, about her songs. GO FUCK YOURSELF AND FUCK THE 3RD WAVE "FEMINISM" BULLSHIT YOU'RE SPEWING. Any woman who had to climb over other women by shaming and embarrassing them for their sexuality is NOT only not a feminist icon and could never be feminist icon, she actively undermines feminism and women's rights and absolutely deserves to be criticised for it. In other words, a woman is not required to help, but she is definitely required not to get in the way.
slaughtermatic 21st-Jan-2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
You go Glen Coco.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:26 pm (UTC)
sylvia plath is not amused by your second point.

not that i am in ANY way comparing sylvia and taylor artistically (!), but i do think confessional writing in general is easier to enjoy with a bit of distance. taylor's love life is all over the tabloids at the minute and her actual songs can get lost in all that bullshit
mynamehere07 21st-Jan-2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
By the same token, there are a lot of women will bend over backwards to shit on another woman because they don't like their choices. I'm seeing a lot of that in this thread, people climbing over themselves to slam her.

You claim to not care about her private life, but you call her gross and crass when she sings about it? You're using capslocks and swear words as a method to climb over her to shame and embarrass her for what she does.

IMO, you are doing the exact thing you are criticizing about; you're shitting on someone who shits on others You are undermining feminism by trying to dump your own definition and use that to shame and shit on her.

Her songs and music have a lot of issues, not doubt, but focus on that. Focus on how and why her lyrics are damaging to young women. But making her some sort of punching bag for everything that is wrong with women just makes you look foolish.

Take a look in the mirror every once in a while.
ginger_maya 21st-Jan-2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry I have to break it to you, but not all women's choices are feminist choices and not all women's choices should be free from criticism just because they're women's choices.

I really don't give a fuck about her private life - that's why it's called PRIVATE, while she's using it to fuel her business. Regardless of whether it's done by a woman or a man that is always a very classless thing to do. And I am using capslock and cuss words to shame the writer of the article for being an apologist for a slutshaming woman, rather than shame a woman for being a slut, but nice try at derailing there. Next time I recommend that you update your reading comprehension skills before you engage in such exercises.

To sum it up, you just called me a misogynist for calling out a sexist woman and her apologist. GURL. BYE.
carryyourheart 21st-Jan-2013 08:33 pm (UTC)
lol just bc she has one song shaming a woman doesn't mean she actively undermines feminism and womens rights r m e
change13 21st-Jan-2013 04:01 pm (UTC)
Now if a regular girl was in Taylor's place (minus the fame and the career), no one would give a fuck. But, since Taylor is famous, people judge that she is different, when she is just a human like us. I have seen girls like Taylor who like to be in relationships. They go from one relationship to another because they hate being alone and fear it. Taylor Swift is not a whore - all she is it shows she is desperate which isn't a bad thing because most people want to be in relationships than rather single.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:32 pm (UTC)
firstly, she was single for 18 months until july 2012.

secondly, dating around doesn't make you 'desperate'. maybe she enjoys male company and monogamous relationships but doesn't feel ready to commit/ is more focused on her career.
wikilobbying 21st-Jan-2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
i don't think it's necessarily true that no one would give a fuck. when you're a girl or a woman, you generally can't win no matter what your dating life is like. even for girls and women who aren't famous, when i was in high school, the gossip largely centered around who was dating who, who was fucking who, and who was doing what drugs. so girls who were always in relationships were "sluts" or some such variation and girls who never dated were "prudes" or homophobic slurs. seriously, women cannot win.
mynamehere07 21st-Jan-2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
The general public wouldn't give a fuck. However, her social circle and family would. Taylor being famous just means that everyone gets to talk about it, instead of just the girls who live on the same floor.
albeit_ 21st-Jan-2013 04:06 pm (UTC)
it's amazing what hearing "you belong with me" and taking intro to women studies: successfully identifying the patriarchy will do to ontd's blood pressure
slaughtermatic 21st-Jan-2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
Meh, on one hand I won't even touch the argument about how many people she's allowed to date and how sexual or not she is because gfdi, but I understand a comment like Michael's because it's one thing fucking who ever you want and it's another building your career on other poeple. This wasn't something other people forced on her, this obsession with her love life is something she chose, deliberately, and keeps cramming down everone's throat. She won't shut up about it, she won't stop writing "clues" in her albums, she won't stop smirking annoyingly about it in her interviews and it can easily come across as malicious and calculated. It isn't just a discussion about feminist rights and a random celebrity and I don't know why people pretend it is.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
she's not the first confessional songwriter/ poet/ writer. and she won't be the last either.
deltabean 21st-Jan-2013 08:46 pm (UTC)
MFTE
evilgmbethy 21st-Jan-2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
just chiming in yet again to say I'm so glad she wasn't Eponine in Les Mis
joe_pwnz_pete 22nd-Jan-2013 05:50 pm (UTC)
i had this whole moment while watching samantha do "on my own" where i was just like

can you imagine

can you

taylor swift guys

that could have been her
colorheartsgrey 21st-Jan-2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
the problem isn't that she dates a lot of guys honestly she's young so who cares, the problem is that the media thinks it's their business because she writes every woe-is-me-i'm-the-victim song about them.

it's getting boring, and she sounds awful live. :/ sorry.
babydiego 21st-Jan-2013 04:26 pm (UTC)
no1curr
eyduh 21st-Jan-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
I was raised by parents who brought me up to think if you work as hard as guys, you can go far in life.

When she said that, I was done with her.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
i don't see anything wrong with that comment. it's how girls should be raised. it's more her ignorance that it doesn't work out like that for everyone, despite their best efforts.
eyduh 21st-Jan-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
uhm, her comment insinuates that women don't work as hard as men most of the time and that women can't accomplish anything without acting like men.
joe_pwnz_pete 22nd-Jan-2013 05:53 pm (UTC)
eh this comment is dumb and like i've said in other posts, i'm sure taylor doesn't realize the implications of some of her actions/comments, but someone really does need to stick her in a women's studies class ASAP.
mynamehere07 21st-Jan-2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
Yup. That is definitely a PR guided response which is the depth of her views on feminism.

Then again, she's never claimed to be anything other than what's on the surface. She doesn't do a whole lot of talking about politics, current events and so on. Her lukewarm talent has gotten her far, and will continue to carry her. I doubt we'll see some sort of thoughtful, introspective, self aware version of Taylor emerge at all.
lucciolaa 21st-Jan-2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of the Taylor hate is hypocritical or misguided, but I still think there's something very wrong with her public image. I think it stems from an internalised misogyny, but I think people are going about it the wrong way with their criticism. So I think this person has a few good points, but I think they're seriously reaching by calling her a role model and 'in control'.
wownow 21st-Jan-2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
she is in control of her career, as far as i can see. she writes everything herself and heads her own management company.
mynamehere07 21st-Jan-2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
ITA. She's no role model by any stretch, and the mediocre songwriting is the extent of the control she has on her career. And I think people are just looking for any fault as an excuse to go after her, as it happens with so many female celebs.
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