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10:49 pm - 01/15/2013

Lena Dunham 'Girls' is White Girl Feminism At Its Worst

Lena Dunham won big at the Golden Globe Awards last night for Best Actress in a Comedy Series, and Best TV Comedy or Musical. In her acceptance speech she said, “This is for any women that’s felt like there wasn’t a space for her.”

Which women? The white millennial female who lives in New York? Dunham says she finally has a space for herself in creating the show but what about the other two-thirds of Brooklyn? The issues with HBO's Girls have been discussed at length. 

Behind Girls is the idea that as millennials, we can be lost. We are trying to find ourselves, we stumble ever onward in the hope that we will get something, anything, right. This is a translatable experience for most twenty-something year-old women, and most twenty-somethings period. But what happens to women who do not see themselves expressed in the show, or see themselves as the same played out stereotypes? And should that matter?

Someone here wrote this, didn't they?Collapse )
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lucky_latkes 16th-Jan-2013 04:25 am (UTC)
Ohmyfuckinggod. No one is ever going to be able to talk about anything ever again.

Person A: "haaaay, guess what ontd? Me and my ~perpetually looking 16 year old self got blackout drunk last night and blew a guy who said he'd pay all my student loans and pay for everything for the rest of forever and I don't even have to have his bbs!"


Everyone else: "omg, stawp derailing. We're discussing misandry and misogyny and anti feminism in a show we secretly not so secretly love but pretend to ironically hate. Gdi Lena, you're bringing all the feels by being so polarising. ~~~if you don't like it, scroll on by, HUNTEA!"


-_-..... I didn't read anything, but tbh, we never get anything new about this show. It's always the same recycled crap with no new perspective. Is there really nothing else worth talking about when it comes to this show for those of you who have watched?


laurie_springs 16th-Jan-2013 04:26 am (UTC)
lol I love this comment
lucky_latkes 16th-Jan-2013 04:28 am (UTC)
Apparently I have a lot of pent up aggression towards this.
warsawed 16th-Jan-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
I think we should just start ignoring the show thats my solution to things irl too
roguewave3 16th-Jan-2013 04:29 am (UTC)
lmao
rolt_me 16th-Jan-2013 04:38 am (UTC)
lolll
invisible_cunt 16th-Jan-2013 04:42 am (UTC)
perfect
sweetlilcanuck 16th-Jan-2013 04:45 am (UTC)
weeping at this comment
megalixer 16th-Jan-2013 04:47 am (UTC)
omg dead, dying, slain hahaha
hera_bearrra 16th-Jan-2013 04:57 am (UTC)
LMAO
saturdaysinbed 16th-Jan-2013 05:13 am (UTC)
most accurate comment in this post
pop_0ff 16th-Jan-2013 07:36 am (UTC)
Well obviously you're talking about Degrassi Goes to Las Vegas and I will talk about that show any time.

Edited at 2013-01-16 07:37 am (UTC)
ptr28 16th-Jan-2013 04:26 am (UTC)
oh god this is exhausting
redaodai 16th-Jan-2013 04:28 am (UTC)
I agree. Let me massage you.

ptr28 16th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
that's better :3
dottiehinkle 16th-Jan-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
Girls is literally coming on in five minutes, is anyone else going to watch? "Hannah throws a housewarming party; Marnie gets some bad news at work and a visit from her mother." This sounds like quite an episode I'm excited.
la_sikka 16th-Jan-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
maybe if we all stop talking about it and wtaching it online it will fucking go away
danmac23 16th-Jan-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
Can't we have the usual discussion about how there are no shows about women, or involving women characters in Hollywood?
wonderwomanhero 16th-Jan-2013 04:29 am (UTC)
We can't cuz we get mocked for that....
dottiehinkle 16th-Jan-2013 04:32 am (UTC)
No because nobody cares, this isn't ontd_braburnersunited.
rolt_me 16th-Jan-2013 04:39 am (UTC)
lollll
ialmrnt5 16th-Jan-2013 03:09 pm (UTC)
uh- what? do you watch television? they are are large amount of AMAZING shows right night based around strong/independent/interesting women

nashville(!!!!), homeland, scandal, american horror story, enlightened, pretty little liars, the carrie diaries
goldengal1193 16th-Jan-2013 04:28 am (UTC)
~Omg, can you guys stop complaining about this show now? Like, I'm so sick and tired of you guys ragging on this show it's getting annoying. We get it.~


Shut the fuck up.

warsawed 16th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
Does anyone ever feel like ONTD is just a series of the same eight conversations over and over again
laurie_springs 16th-Jan-2013 04:31 am (UTC)
Yep. And then I'm like, "wtf why am I here then"

And then I go to tumblr.
warsawed 16th-Jan-2013 04:33 am (UTC)
Tumblr >>>

I start to think its time for me to just move on but then I get bored @ work the next day and cave
pop_0ff 16th-Jan-2013 07:38 am (UTC)
But then it's the same conversation on tumblr :/
bellwetherr 16th-Jan-2013 04:33 am (UTC)
Always.
lucky_latkes 16th-Jan-2013 04:38 am (UTC)
Yep. I get bored so easily here these days. :/
I can't quit ontd, though.
rolt_me 16th-Jan-2013 04:40 am (UTC)
legit. I feel like I've read this article/view at least 20x here alone
fruitchews 16th-Jan-2013 04:41 am (UTC)
Yep. It's always the same old drivel and troll accusations most of the time.
spider_orchid 16th-Jan-2013 04:41 am (UTC)
YES. I just have to be in the mood to argue or bitch/complain to come into about 85% of the posts.
vampireweekend 16th-Jan-2013 04:42 am (UTC)
because it is
wonderwomanhero 16th-Jan-2013 04:45 am (UTC)
Of course
roguewave3 16th-Jan-2013 04:52 am (UTC)
Anytime someone submits something interesting it gets denied and they complain about it in the comments. lol
ediesedgwick 16th-Jan-2013 04:55 am (UTC)
yes
hellomeru 16th-Jan-2013 05:02 am (UTC)
yes, lately that's all it is
endingonfire 16th-Jan-2013 05:15 am (UTC)
yes
highflyer8 16th-Jan-2013 05:24 am (UTC)
Yeah I almost feel like we need an ontd_srsbsns comm or something so break this up a bit.
luckyluxk 16th-Jan-2013 06:13 am (UTC)
Yes, ugh, that's why I decided to become more of a troll, cause otherwise I'd die of boredom.
nicolesnitchie 16th-Jan-2013 06:42 am (UTC)
8? try like 3 or 4. this place is so tired.
deathbytamarind 16th-Jan-2013 06:47 am (UTC)
It tends to be that way. Remember that week when there were 8987873 posts about Nicole Scherzinger? I got really annoyed with that.
xdecadentx 16th-Jan-2013 11:27 am (UTC)
I think you're generous thinking it's as many as 8.
crystalzelda 16th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
Yes ready for this post!

I just want to say a big fat screw you and all her apologists, all these (white) girls who say shit like, ugh just be happy she's a successful woman in hollywood!!! She's so real and body positive!!! If she doesn't have black friends why would she have any on her show that would just be like affirmative action!!!

Congrats, you're an asshole and the fact that you consider yourself and her a feminist is hilarious and sad and you're forever wrong.
browniecakemix 16th-Jan-2013 05:00 am (UTC)
hey now

some of us have managed to like the show while still maintaining a healthy perspective on its issues
crystalzelda 16th-Jan-2013 05:03 am (UTC)
I'm not talking about the people who watch the show and enjoy it, I'm talking to her apologists and defenders that try to silence the criticism about it and her.
ialmrnt5 16th-Jan-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
why are people coming after lena dunham tho? why not any of the male led shows that have shitty women characters or no POC characters? there are tons of them yet ONTD chooses to attack the one show out there that was created by a young woman & is about people our age etc.

its stupid but thankfully no one outside of this place really feels as strongly as you sjw princesses do
noon 16th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
smdh why did i just remember earlier today that lena dunham was my friend's babysitter growing up in brooklyn
warsawed 16th-Jan-2013 04:32 am (UTC)
pix
noon 16th-Jan-2013 04:35 am (UTC)
lmfao i dont have pix i've never met her, i just rmr a while ago my friend telling me that a family friend got a show on hbo and then today on fb she posted "wow my old babysitter just won a golden globe how surreal"
ncc_gqmf 16th-Jan-2013 06:51 am (UTC)
Oh no, I knew her as a teenager... which means the kids *I* babysat for are also old enough to be on the internet. :(
dottiehinkle 16th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
omg its the season premiere!
luckyluxk 16th-Jan-2013 06:14 am (UTC)
lol comments+icon
shiningautumn 16th-Jan-2013 04:31 am (UTC)
OT but i finally took a jung typology test and the description of my results were eerily on point (INTP)...do you guys feel yours accurately describe you? http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp
age_of_green 16th-Jan-2013 04:33 am (UTC)
Team INTP here! And yes, but I think the INTP/INTJ/INFP types are more common on the internet than anywhere else.
shiningautumn 16th-Jan-2013 04:44 am (UTC)
woot woot! :) idt i've ever considered myself introverted as i really like meeting new ppl. but the description is definitely accurate regarding how being around ppl is draining for me rather than energizing.
cerseilannister 16th-Jan-2013 04:37 am (UTC)
um yeah i guess. i usually get infp on the different tests i've taken. i don't think i'm as dreamy as infps are perceived tho.
nothingcleva89 16th-Jan-2013 04:43 am (UTC)
I'm INTJ. So basically, I hate everyone and everyone hates me.
k5memo 16th-Jan-2013 04:46 am (UTC)
INFJ. It does. And i don't know if it is a good thing. LOL.
megalixer 16th-Jan-2013 04:49 am (UTC)
fellow INTPs represent!

It's not scientific and doesn't fully encompass anyone's personality ofc but I think it observes some general trends in personalities that tend to be valid
goldengal1193 16th-Jan-2013 04:54 am (UTC)
My friends had me take that MBTI thing. I definitely think the MBTI accurately describe me, like down to the t.


I'm an INFJ btw.
invisible_cunt 16th-Jan-2013 04:55 am (UTC)
ohh we did this a while ago
let me do it again bc i forget what i was, but when i did it, it was SPOT ON

ESFJ
these parts scared me how accurate they were:

The ESFJ takes their responsibilities very seriously, and is very dependable. They value security and stability, and have a strong focus on the details of life. They see before others do what needs to be done, and do whatever it takes to make sure that it gets done. They enjoy these types of tasks, and are extremely good at them.

ESFJs are warm and energetic. They need approval from others to feel good about themselves. They are hurt by indifference and don't understand unkindness. They are very giving people, who get a lot of their personal satisfaction from the happiness of others. They want to be appreciated for who they are, and what they give. They're very sensitive to others, and freely give practical care. ESFJs are such caring individuals, that they sometimes have a hard time seeing or accepting a difficult truth about someone they care about.

With Extraverted Feeling dominating their personality, ESFJs are focused on reading other people. They have a strong need to be liked, and to be in control. They are extremely good at reading others, and often change their own manner to be more pleasing to whoever they're with at the moment.

An ESFJ who has developed in a less than ideal way may be prone to being quite insecure, and focus all of their attention on pleasing others

Relationships are central to their lives, and they put forth a great amount of energy into developing and maintaining their close interpersonal relationships. They expect the same from others.

Most ESFJs have a strong need to "belong" - whether it be to institutions or traditions, or family units. This need usually causes them to be quite social creatures, who enjoy attending parties, as well as throwing their own. They're likely to strongly desire that their mates share in their social experiences.



apparently my romantic matches are "the idealist" and "the artist" - which are basically spot on of the guys i go for lol

Edited at 2013-01-16 04:56 am (UTC)
ponpiri 16th-Jan-2013 04:55 am (UTC)
INTJ and mine describes me to a T.
galagooo 16th-Jan-2013 04:56 am (UTC)
ISTJ.

"They have a keen sense of right and wrong, especially in their area of interest and/or responsibility. ...ISTJs often give the initial impression of being aloof and perhaps somewhat cold. Effusive expression of emotional warmth is not something that ISTJs do without considerable energy loss...ISTJs are easily frustrated by the inconsistencies of others, especially when the second parties don't keep their commitments. But they usually keep their feelings to themselves unless they are asked..

Yep, pretty much.
tragickingdomxo 16th-Jan-2013 05:12 am (UTC)
INFJ and it's helped me accept I'm just too fucking abstract for most people
sowhat_whocares 16th-Jan-2013 05:13 am (UTC)
INFJ.

I actually took it with a therapist who was certified as a Jung specialist and she went over my answers with me to make sure I was answering them correctly (people taking their own personality quizzes 65% of the time give false results, FYI).

I was an INTJ before she went over it again with me, and I was in fact and INFJ.

I find it incredibly accurate, yes, FYI.
highflyer8 16th-Jan-2013 05:25 am (UTC)
ENFJ here. I'm textbook.
stellar_ball 16th-Jan-2013 05:26 am (UTC)
ESTJ. I read it and I still don't know what it means.
endingonfire 16th-Jan-2013 05:27 am (UTC)
I'm INTJ... pretty much me to a T.
abordantoinette 16th-Jan-2013 05:42 am (UTC)
INFJ. describes me perfectly
ladysherlock 16th-Jan-2013 05:51 am (UTC)
EFNP and yes. Even described why I like my profession.
fasdsr2 16th-Jan-2013 06:04 am (UTC)
INTP and it describes me fairly accurately, but I definitely think I'm more emotional than other INTPs (based on what they claim, at least) and what descriptions say.
morningtsuji 16th-Jan-2013 06:07 am (UTC)
ISFJ?
hetshepsit 16th-Jan-2013 06:11 am (UTC)
ENFJ here. Did some reading up and it seems to fit me to a T. I'm looking to jump into a new career, so it helps to know all the angles of myself to make a better decision on what I should focus on~
pamuya 16th-Jan-2013 06:38 am (UTC)
ISFP

it's really fucking on point.
devourlove 16th-Jan-2013 08:03 am (UTC)
ISTJ, and omg it's scary accurate...
hpxstac 16th-Jan-2013 08:15 am (UTC)
ENTJ! Spot on.
st00pidness 16th-Jan-2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm an ISFP. I love these tests.
eddywear 16th-Jan-2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
I took it like two weeks ago and forgot which one I was, but it was like the complete opposite of INTJ which lbr is everyone else on the internet. ESsomething? I don't really put that much stock into these things but maybe it does explain why 95% of people on the interbutts either confuse or piss me off
one_hoopy_frood 16th-Jan-2013 04:32 am (UTC)
Even I am bored of complaining about everything now and that's basically all I do on here. Something we can actually like needs to come along.
warsawed 16th-Jan-2013 04:34 am (UTC)
we need a good juicy scandal tbh
one_hoopy_frood 16th-Jan-2013 04:42 am (UTC)
Everything was beautiful when Tom and Katie got divorced.
sowhat_whocares 16th-Jan-2013 04:32 am (UTC)
whatever, I like GIRLS. I think its funny.

I can totally see why people dislike Lena Dunham (and her character Hannah, who I abhor) but seriously...people act like she's satan. she's not. she's just dumb about a significant amount of things.
thelovehater 16th-Jan-2013 04:39 am (UTC)
When race is one of the things someone is dumb about people tend to react badly. Just saying.
sowhat_whocares 16th-Jan-2013 05:17 am (UTC)
and like I was ~just saying~, she made an effort to rectify the issues she created with that. she didnt go off and say or act 'fuck everyone, IDC'...she seemed to take people's issues with it seriously.

she's dumb, she's sheltered...hopefully she's not so much anymore. seems like she's trying.
cammiec 16th-Jan-2013 04:32 am (UTC)
Only heard about this show through ONTD, never watched it, but can't stand it already.
laurie_springs 16th-Jan-2013 04:33 am (UTC)
What I will say about this show is that last season I did enjoy the way it showed the men they were dating.....I'm getting tired of the Like Crazy model of fucking average men who don't do shit in their relationships having cute girls fall at their feet so that was kind of refreshing. Kind of.
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