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2:43 pm - 01/15/2013

Conspiracy Theories About Classic Literary Characters

Nick Carraway is Gay.

The aforementioned Greg Olear convinced us on two points — first, the way Carraway describes female characters as opposed to male characters (the latter with much more passion and attention to physicality than the former), and second, that scene with Mr. McKee, which, now that we re-read it, can only be a hook-up. What’s interesting to us about this revelation is this: if the Gatsby we know has been being viewed this whole time by someone who is head over  heels in love with him, we need to go back and reevaluate.


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mingemonster 15th-Jan-2013 07:58 pm (UTC)
I like how 3/5 is just "GAY". Shipping and homosexuality are conspiracies now?
bodyline 15th-Jan-2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
Inorite? I'm surprised they didn't include Grantaire and Basil Hallward on there.
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
Heh, one of my friends has been shipping Enjolras/Grantaire since she was, like, eight, so she was thrilled that they had a few moments in the movie together.
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
I don't know about Nick, but Jordan is so totally a lesbian, lbr.
generalstolas 15th-Jan-2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
My mom said the same thing the other day, and I was completely confused.
arisingphoenix 15th-Jan-2013 08:18 pm (UTC)
Which to me makes her and Nicks "relationship" all the more interesting and totally believable that Fitzgerald would write about essentially "bearding" since neither Nick or Jordan would really want to be out.
x_butterfly19_x 15th-Jan-2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
mte
blackkdiamond 15th-Jan-2013 08:45 pm (UTC)
My literature professor dedicated a whole class to talking about how Nick and Jordan were gay, and helping each other stay in the closet. Jordan having a masculine name and profession could be a hint towards her lesbianism.
jennyfinnly 15th-Jan-2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
can't read the harry potter one because i'm barely on book 3, but i agree with all of these
sarahvma 15th-Jan-2013 08:22 pm (UTC)
Is it the year 2000 where you are?
jennyfinnly 15th-Jan-2013 08:27 pm (UTC)
might as well be

i can easily tune things out, very bad skill to have btw

loving the books so far tho!
milkradio 15th-Jan-2013 08:32 pm (UTC)
How are you liking them? I wish I could experience reading them for the first time again :')

Book 4 is where shit gets fuckin' REAL though.
joaniemaloney 16th-Jan-2013 04:22 am (UTC)
OMG I'M SO EXCITED FOR YOU. :3

book 3 is still my fav but asdflkjasdf they get so good.
beaucadeau 15th-Jan-2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
The whole Holden is gay theory made Catcher in the Rye slightly bearable for me. Other wise it sucked.
warsawed 15th-Jan-2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
anyone remember the "Ron is actually Dumbledore due to time travel" theory? That was pretty popular after the sixth book

http://fanlore.org/wiki/Knight2King

they bring up some weird points lol
therearewords 15th-Jan-2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
Damn, this is brand new to me.
hobnailedboots 15th-Jan-2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
haha I quite like that theory actually
sparkfactory 15th-Jan-2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
i love looking at old HP theories lol

i printed a bunch out when i was a kid to bring to summer camp, i need to find them
warsawed 15th-Jan-2013 08:07 pm (UTC)
you sound like you were a flawless child tbh
landwarinasia 15th-Jan-2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
omg I did this too. People in my cabin made fun of me. u_u
broadwaybabe11 26th-Jan-2013 03:01 am (UTC)
i remember reading theories
*nostalgia*
imkevinspacey 15th-Jan-2013 08:07 pm (UTC)
I remember being convinced by a theory on the internet when I was younger that Crookshanks was Lily Evans.
deltabean 15th-Jan-2013 08:09 pm (UTC)
Interesting.
sandstorm 15th-Jan-2013 08:11 pm (UTC)
LOL That's actually pretty amusing. I'd read a fanfic on the theory.
inboots 15th-Jan-2013 08:19 pm (UTC)
there were so many theories about ron becoming this mega important mastermind player in later books, for good or evil, because omg CHESS. KING!!!1

to this day, i love that none of them materialized.
milkradio 15th-Jan-2013 08:32 pm (UTC)
lol omg I loved this theory because it was so crazy.
liveloveinspire 15th-Jan-2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
this has made me want to reread all the old hp theories. LINK ME TO YOUR OLD FAVES, ONTD.
zness 15th-Jan-2013 08:48 pm (UTC)
omgosh this is the first time i've read about this. crazy lol
landwarinasia 15th-Jan-2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
This theory totally convinced me at the time tbh!!
mistyraven 15th-Jan-2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
Lol I forgot all about this

That would've been hilarious tbh
starchain 16th-Jan-2013 12:54 am (UTC)
HP fandom had some pretty wild theories back then when we didn't know where everything was going.
broadwaybabe11 26th-Jan-2013 03:00 am (UTC)
WTFFFF
x_butterfly19_x 15th-Jan-2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
I thought the Nick Carraway thing was a common theory? I think we even discussed it in HS English.
bodyline 15th-Jan-2013 08:02 pm (UTC)
My HS English class had several in-depth conversations about how Hamlet and Horatio were gay.
x_butterfly19_x 15th-Jan-2013 08:11 pm (UTC)
ohh Hamlet? Never heard that one before
kwikimart 15th-Jan-2013 08:15 pm (UTC)
Hamlet was totes gay

seishin 16th-Jan-2013 02:23 am (UTC)
Hamlet and Horatio, Rosencrantz & Guildernstern. ;) I'm convinced Hamlet, Rosencrantz and Guildernstern were all involved with eachother.

In my HS class (eons ago, lol), I played Horatio the scene where Hamlet dies, and I played it like Horatio was losing his love.

*went to an all girl school
lickety_split 15th-Jan-2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
I fucking love shit like this no matter how nonsensical the theory actually is.
lickety_split 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Also, almost all Harry Potter fan theories are more interesting than canon.
hobnailedboots 15th-Jan-2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
this is sadly true

oh, Deathly Hallows, why is it so hard for me to reread you? I literally read 1-6 and then stop
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
I remember someone suggested that Hermione was actually half white and half black (causing her curly, bushy hair) and I just loved that.
goreplz 15th-Jan-2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
Reminds me of how one night I was really deeply affected by the Pokemon conspiracy theory that Ash was just in a coma.
beaucadeau oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
My Name is Asher Lev, it's pretty great so far.
la_petite_singe Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
I just finished The Tenth Man and I LOVED it.
goofusgallant Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
We Need to Talk About Kevin
therearewords Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
The Flight - M.R. Hall.

Not going to get on a plane anytime soon.
warsawed Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:06 pm (UTC)


I'm about ten pages in, started it earlier today
imkevinspacey Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
The Fault in Our Stars.
cuteej4 Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:10 pm (UTC)
Do you like it?

laughing_wild Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 16th-Jan-2013 02:30 pm (UTC)
I went through so many tissues when I read that book.
cuteej4 Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:09 pm (UTC)
I'm currently re-reading Hate List by Jennifer Brown. It's a favorite young adult book of mine
nazliy Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:09 pm (UTC)
Antonio Mendez-Master of Disguise:My Secret Life in the CIA
summerviolets Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:11 pm (UTC)
Vortex by Julie Cross. I have to stop reading before I go to bed because the time travel stuff starts to confuse me, otherwise I'm really liking it.
stuckmodebabe Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
Moll Flanders for a class and Deathless on down time
lillylilacs Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
sex, drugs and cocoa puffs by klosterman and heartburn by nora ephron
bodyline Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
Taran Wanderer

It's a shortass book but I've literally been on it for months now. I just can't seem to get through it.
kwikimart Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
The Long Goodbye, Raymond Chandler
lickety_split Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:25 pm (UTC)
A mix of stuff I'm reading/have waiting: Wolf Hall, Susannah Morrow, The Child Thief, The Memoirs of Cleopatra, Bloody Jack, Mists of Avalon,

I would highly recommend: The Aviary, Lamb, Gone Girl, Matilda (just reread; the abuse in RD's books are kind of horrifying to read as an adult and kind of put new perspective on it idk), An Inconvenient Wife, and The Twin's Daughter.
oxbowlake Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
Right now I'm reading The Sherlockian, it's ok so far. Just before that I was reading Destiny of the Republic which is about the assassination and death of President Garfield and it was really interesting.
mingemonster Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:37 pm (UTC)
American Fascists by Chris Hedges
milkradio Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:47 pm (UTC)
The Last Olympian (aka Percy Jackson & The Olympians #5) by Rick Riordan. LOL I KNOW, it's such a silly series, but I actually enjoyed book 4 and I'm liking this one too, so whatever. Light reading, you know?
buncha_cruncha Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
Just finished "Among Others" by Jo Walton

Currently reading "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman
tinitrinity Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
I just finished "Slaughter-house Five" and wondering what I should read next.
severalstories Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 09:04 pm (UTC)
I'm reading, like, three pages of A Discovery of Witches a week, because that book is so slow. I'm 100 pages in and nothing has happened.
cutiepie0304 Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 09:44 pm (UTC)
I just bought a Nook so I'm loading up on books. Anyone have any sites that have some contemporary free ebooks?
gin3 Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 09:56 pm (UTC)
JK Rowling's The Casual Vacancy


more like trying to, its super boring and i read LOTR 11 times before I turned 15
ztrellitaa Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 15th-Jan-2013 11:14 pm (UTC)
Just finished Wicked, and now I'm reading Silver Linings Playbook.
hierarchia Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 16th-Jan-2013 12:31 am (UTC)
i was reading the handmaid's tale during break, but now am reading some blake due to uni.
nanachic Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 16th-Jan-2013 04:28 am (UTC)


and I am LOVING it thus far. Trying to get in some good pleasure reading before school has me up to my elbows in Darwin :\
laughing_wild Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 16th-Jan-2013 02:35 pm (UTC)
Tana French - The Likeness. This is my second book by her, and they're really fulfilling my desire for mystery novels. Much better than I expected.
leopard_legs Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 16th-Jan-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
Race of a Lifetime - Mark Halperin and John Heilleman
I absolutely adore it, I'm tearing through it.

I was reading The Dog Stars by author I can't remember but it's just not good at all so far...it's like a poorly written and paced version of Cormac McCarthy's The Road. Which is a shame, as I was really looking forward to reading it and waited to get it for christmas.
cinnamongirlxxx Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 18th-Jan-2013 02:57 am (UTC)


Finally.
broadwaybabe11 Re: oblig. what are you reading now? — 26th-Jan-2013 03:06 am (UTC)
Just finished "Lark" by Tracey Porter, gonna be starting "Something Like Normal" by Trish Dollar
_xxtom 15th-Jan-2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
i love reading conspiracy theories lol
goingvogue 15th-Jan-2013 08:02 pm (UTC)
the narrator from fight club is calvin and tyler durden is hobbes, helena bonham carter's character whose name i cannot remember but eventually will when it's not relevant maybe it begins with an 'm' is susie

that was a neat one
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Marla? I like that one!
arisingphoenix 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Ohh Gatsby conspiracy theories are my favorite. The best is that Gatsby is actually Black man.

Also the Nick is gay one isn't...that far off. I def think Nick has some bi sexuality going on.
leitao 15th-Jan-2013 08:45 pm (UTC)
Ha, just the other day, I was thinking how interesting it would be to cast a POC as Gatsby in a movie adaptation. Everything in that book would taken on a different meaning . . .
arisingphoenix 15th-Jan-2013 08:57 pm (UTC)
lol ever since high school I was the Gatsby fanatic. One of my college professors called me and had me read a paper a student wrote based on this theory that in fact Fitzgerald left hints that Gatsby was if not totally african american, at least half and had enough that the one drop rule would be in place, but that he was "passable" and that's how he moved up in the world. I read that paper looked at the kids research, articles he pulled from and ngl. It makes a ton of sense that Gatsby isn't totally white. Now every time I re read it I pick up on different stuff that COULD make that more true. I love the book but it would Def make it infinitely more interesting if it was even more of an observational piece about ones place.
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Not quite classic literature, in this case, but I kinda love this:

maebytonight 15th-Jan-2013 08:18 pm (UTC)
This theory is interesting but why is someone analyzing comments made by a Robin Williams character? He's nonsensical in every form
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 08:19 pm (UTC)
Yeeeeeeah, it kinda falls apart when you remember that Robin Williams ad-libbed, like, EVERYTHING and they had something like nine hours of recordings of him just going off. But, still, I like it because it's fun.
kwikimart 15th-Jan-2013 08:18 pm (UTC)
lol
False!

It was just Disney using recognisable pop culture references
mingemonster 15th-Jan-2013 08:39 pm (UTC)
I like how Jack Nicholson was preserved by history but not mosques
eveofrevolution 15th-Jan-2013 09:19 pm (UTC)
And that would also give some logic to the mixed Middle Eastern and Indian cultural aspects.

And why Jasmine was wearing skimpy attire.
heliophyte 16th-Jan-2013 02:16 am (UTC)
"genetically engineered parrots which can comprehend human speech"

lmaoo
leopard_legs 16th-Jan-2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
this is a god awful theory haha
apothecaries 15th-Jan-2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
SHUT UP ABOUT HARRY! I refuse to believe these lies, not to mention I've been to Hogwarts...I've seen it! (and the rest of Florida)
judgmental 15th-Jan-2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson are in love.


TUMBLR WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!!
_dennis_csi_ 15th-Jan-2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
WHEN ARE THEY WRONG THO?

Edited at 2013-01-15 08:07 pm (UTC)
sarahvma 15th-Jan-2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
Here's what bothers me about the "secret gay" conspiracies -- they basically suggest that male friendships can't really exist.
lillylilacs 15th-Jan-2013 08:41 pm (UTC)
mte
milkradio 15th-Jan-2013 08:50 pm (UTC)
I agree with this.
buncha_cruncha 15th-Jan-2013 08:57 pm (UTC)
MTE.
wingslapped 15th-Jan-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
But men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way. /sarcasm
la_petite_singe 15th-Jan-2013 09:14 pm (UTC)
ITA. I think Sherlock/John is slightly special because of Sherlock's ~jealousy with John's wife and all that stuff, plus his own eternal bachelorhood and all (because, y'know, at the time "bachelor" basically meant "gay"), plus the really sweet closeness and love of their friendship, but I still see your point.

Edited at 2013-01-15 09:15 pm (UTC)
allysouu 15th-Jan-2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
After reading the old stories I actually understand this one lol.
mushroom18 16th-Jan-2013 02:14 am (UTC)
People have been "shipping" them (lol at the term) way before the internet though
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