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11:35 am - 12/12/2012

YA Book Post- Whitewashing Covers

Whitewashing Covers, part eleventy, and Elliot's ethnicity

On the YALSA blog, there is a discussion of white washing on the cover of YA novels, and one of the novels mentioned is For Darkness Shows the Stars. There are many inaccuracies in this article (including stating that LIAR was released with the original cover), and I’m not sure if the librarian who wrote it has actually read my book or is instead simply repeating something she read on a reader blog.

I have not responded to any mention of this supposed “problem” with the cover of For Darkness Shows the Stars, because I have personally only ever seen it mentioned on a reader blog where the blogger in question hadn’t read the book, but instead took an out-of-context quote from yet another blogger. I don’t really feel it’s my place to get involved with reader reactions to my book. If there is a failure in communication between an author and any particular reader, well, that just goes with the territory. No writer gets through to every reader.

And I’ve been back and forth about posting this all morning. But in the end I decided that when it’s being repeated on the ALA website as if it’s fact, I feel like I must respond.

After the release of Rampant, I realized it’s important to name characters’ races in books, as Giovanni Cole was universally NOT recognized as black (he’s half African-American, half Italian). But I also realized that doesn’t necessarily help, as I got letters from readers, additionally, wondering if there was a typo in Rampant when Zelda’s skin is described as black. (“Do you mean her hair?”) She’s French AND black, guys. You can be both.

However, describing race posed a particular challenge in For Darkness, which depicts a post-apocalyptic society where they don’t engage with race the same way we do. How can you describe someone, for example, as looking Korean if you’ve never heard of Korea?

One of the big choices I made in writing For Darkness was not to state explicitly that the book is set in New Zealand. This is something I’ve corrected for in the paperback edition, by the way, because I’ve received too many letters from readers who are confused, and even wondered if the odd names of constellations mentioned in the book mean that it’s set on another planet. (Hey, bonus points for picking up on those names). Some readers have picked up on the clues (Southern hemisphere constellations and a discussion of Northern constellations that can’t be seen, the name of the “Cloud Fleet”, the description of the two islands that make up their whole world, the description of the ancient cultures that existed there), but there was even some poor reader who noted my use of Commonwealth terminology, but took it to mean that the book was set in England (which you don’t actually need a boat to get off of if you’re motivated enough, and certainly not a big boat).

Because the book is set in New Zealand, the language they speak is English, with Kiwi (New Zealand) terminology and accents. One of the things this means is that “browning” is what happens when you go out of doors without a hat. Lots of English, Australian, and Kiwi people say this. When writing, I thought it was a nice nod to Austen’s original, in which Sir Walter Elliot accuses people of it all the time. It’s unfortunate, though, that it seems to be confusing a few people.

Elliot is described as follows:

“Elliot’s features, which had been harsh and solemn even when she was younger, hadn’t softened with age. Her dark brows were thick slashes over the deep-set, almond eyes she’d inherited from the Boatwright side of the family. The round snub nose came courtesy of her grandfather as well, and the skin that turned brown in the sun, then sallow in the dark winter months. She’d also gotten his full lips, though, and her black hair took on ruddy highlights every summer. But Elliot was no beauty, and she knew it.”

That description is meant to clarify for American readers that Elliot’s “brown” skin is not brown like, say, an African-American, but a much lighter color dependent on how much sun she gets. But if you take only the word “brown” out of that description (as the post on YALSA did) you are left with another impression entirely, which is not that her skin tone is a combination of genetics and her enormous amount of outside work (compared to her family) but rather, a coded depiction of race.

Here’s a picture of me after I hiked around New Zealand in the sun (they have, like many extremely southern lands, some unfortunate ozone depletion) for a few months (with sunscreens, long sleeves, and hats!):



And I’m all white. Elliot’s grandfather identifies as Maori, (though he almost certainly isn’t full-blooded Maori, in this population-depleted post apocalyptic future). The rest of her family is white, probably of British isles heritage. Perhaps if I had specified that Elliot’s grandfather identifies as Maori, rather than talking about the history his family had with the islands long long before the Reduction, this would not have been confusing. But it implies a modern relationship with race that the post-apocalyptic characters don’t have.

Elliot does look much more like her darker-skinned grandfather than, say, her sister. But I’d say her skin tone is probably closer to my mother’s or my brother’s, which are both darker than mine. In high school my sports-playing brother got as dark as his best friend, who was Indian. I used to get pretty brown myself, until a serious injury when I was in high school taught me about skin damage.



And since I’m playing around in my old photos, here’s a pic of me at prom (note this is after I figured out about sun damage), where to the probable dismay of my date (the guy behind me), I wore a Jane Austen style regency gown and hair instead of the slinky numbers that were popular at the time (see other girls in pic):



Ah, Jane. You and I go way back.

But I digress. So, Elliot is part Maori, mostly white. Let’s take a look at the girl on the cover:



Is she paler than I picture Elliot? Oh yes. But more importantly, she has pink and blue starlight shining through her skin. Guys, the Elliot on this cover is dissolving.

I kid, mostly. But here’s a case where the cool special effects that make this cover so amazing and distinctive and gorgeous kinda backfired. It’s a stock photo, and FWIW, the original stock photo they showed me, the model’s hair was dark black and her eyes were covered in crazy green and black makeup. Obviously, makeup doesn’t belong on Elliot, and unfortunately, her hair didn’t show up at all against the night sky background, so they had to highlight it.

Honestly the thing that is keeping me from thinking this girl looks like Elliot is not a few shades of obviously washed-out-by-starlight skin and hair, but rather the fact that the girl on this cover is scary skinny. Look at that arm! Elliot has a much fuller figure than that. If my fairy godmother descended from the sky and granted me one change I could make to the For Darkness cover, it would be to give that girl a few sandwiches.

But I love the cover, even if the shade of her skin isn’t exactly how I picture it. After all, this is the shade of skin they put on my white-bread-from-Ohio-in-the-middle-of-a-New-Haven-winter heroine:



The only reason I know that model is white is because I met her. From the crop they used on the photo, with her black hair and brown skin, she might be Latina, Southeast Asian, even Maori. Her skin shade and hair color is as off by as many degrees as Elliot’s is. But of course, lightening the hair and skin of a multi-ethnic character on a cover is way more problematic than darkening the hair and skin of a stated white character.

And that wasn’t the problem for me with the Secret Society Girl (and Under the Rose) cover. The problem for me is that it deeply misrepresents the contents of the book and the character inside. Amy wouldn’t be caught dead in that outfit. This book is not about a prepster from 1985 playing golf at a country club. I have been asking Random House to get rid of this cover for six years now (most recently in September). I think it hurts sales. It was dated when it came out (when it was trying to invoke Prep, a book that had been a previous bestseller but doesn’t resemble mine at all) and it’s certainly dated now.

But the For Darkness cover? I think that does reflect the book. It’s probably the most accurate portrayal of a book I’ve ever gotten in terms of a cover (compare that to the otherwise lovely cover of Ascendant, a book about killer unicorns, where the only unicorn even remotely near the cover is a fourteen point clip art wingding outline on the back). When you pick up the For Darkness book, you know what kind of story you are getting. And though her skin tone is lighter than described, she is not depicted as being a different race than she is in the book. That I would have a real problem with (more on that in a bit).

Whitewashing is absolutely a problem, especially when book covers take a character of clearly represented race and put someone different on the cover (as with LIAR), or when books about black girls get the ubiquitous “silhouette” cover. But sometimes, things are misinterpreted or just don’t appear the way they are intended. Greg Van Eekhout, author of The Boy at the End of the World, has a great post about this:

“I found a graphic from an anthropology website showing the range of human skin tones across the world (there’re a lot more than just white, brown, and black), and I indicated the range of skin tones I thought would be right for Fisher. In the first version of the cover, Fisher’s skin tone was well within the range I’d indicated. The problem was that he was standing in shadow, and what looked brown in a color swatch looked like white skin in shadow on the cover.”

In the case of my cover, her skin ended up looking very silver/blue/violet once the special effects of starlight were added. And even though the starlight shining through her skin is very obvious even in the picture on the YALSA website, most people just see the paleness of her skin, and don’t associate it with the starlight.

And sometimes, readers just want something to bitch about. I have a friend who hand-picked the Asian-American model on her cover, only to get an email from a (white) reader that the model “wasn’t Asian enough.” It really bothers me that the only time I ever see people online talking about Cindy Pon’s amazing Silver Phoenix series is when they are complaining about the new covers. The conversation stops being about anything else.

I firmly believe we should be complaining about whitewashing. And I do think it’s making a difference. These are all new books from this year:




I’ve also seen several instances lately where the paperback version of a book actually specifies race when the hardcover didn’t (hardcovers on left):



But of course, according to the argument made in that YALSA blog post, the gorgeous, gorgeous paperback cover of MISFIT is problematic because it “obscures” the face of Jael. (The author would probably also take issue with the EC Meyers covers, because they have the shattered effect that also “obscures” the faces of the characters.) And the original hardcover of MISFIT, which I am totally jealous of because it looks like such a “big” book (so often “big” books don’t have people on them at all — see also Divergent, The Hunger Games, Legend), would probably get in the crosshairs, too. (See also PROPHECY, the upcoming debut fantasy from Ellen Oh that has an Asian main character, doesn’t have a person on the cover.)

In the comments section of the YALSA blog, the publisher of Tu Books (a spec fic imprint focused on stories about people of color) points to the fact that sometimes, artistic decisions are made not to obscure the race of the characters, but to best illustrate the book. Obviously, an imprint like Tu isn’t hiding anything. And covers like the one on Fair Coin, Quantum Coin, and the Misfit paperback are using artistry not to hide race, but to enhance the image. Would a regular, not dramatically lighted photo of Jael on Misfit be as striking? (I LOVE THAT COVER.)

I also love this cover, which the YALSA librarian says is “obscuring” the MC’s race:



And the title. In fact, thank you, blogger. I’m off to purchase this book now.

This guy is clearly Asian. The answer to “there aren’t enough people of color on covers” is not to make covers with simple, artless portraits of people of color on them (I really don’t like the redone LIAR cover — I wish they’d actually covered the model’s mouth — maybe a scarf or a ribbon or even more artfully posed hands? It just looks rushed, which it probably was.)

The solution is exactly what covers like Misfit, Quantum Coin, and Zen are doing. Beautiful, eye-catching covers that ALSO have POC in them. And yes, you can pull off a gorgeous full face and body cover (hi, Vessel and Clockwork Prince) but saying that’s the only acceptable option is going to do these books a disservice, and is going to detract from the actual problem of whitewashing.

Personally, I draw the line at depicting a person of the wrong race on the cover of my novels. And sometimes, that’s not easy to come by. In most conversations about this issue, the lack of suitable stock photography comes up. I have personal experience with that. The single most important factor to me when designing the cover to my upcoming book, Across A Star-Swept Sea, was that Persis not be depicted as white. She lives on a terraformed island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and the population is descended from Pacific Islanders and Southeast Asians. She is unequivocally and explicitly a person of color, and to make things even tougher for my cover designer, she has some other appearance… shall we say quirks? They ended up doing a photo shoot, and I’m the luckiest writer in the world at the way the whole thing came together.

But that’s all I can say until February. :-) But OMG this cover. Even better than For Darkness on the pretty oh so pretty scale. Plus the model looks EXACTLY LIKE PERSIS.

So in conclusion: yes, let’s absolutely keep fighting to depict people of color correctly on the covers of books. But let’s also be reasonable about both the content of the books and the entirety of what the covers are actually depicting.

As for me, I’m getting back to copyedits, where I can tear my hair out over what I need to make more clear in this book, using lessons I’ve learned from all my other ones (terraformed volcano island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean = That’s why they call it New Pacifica), even though I know that there will always be something, and that’s just the way it is.

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lucciolaa 12th-Dec-2012 08:02 pm (UTC)
Not sure if this is going to turn into a book post, or a race wank post.
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
no reason why it cant be both.

feel free to utilize the scroll bar if the combination proves too daunting.
likewowman 12th-Dec-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
calm down
kurtvonnegut 12th-Dec-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
lmao damn
anagram42 12th-Dec-2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
or maybe even just a discussion post about race in literature and other forms of media and not "wank"
hera_bearrra 12th-Dec-2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
This is the first comment? Ugh.
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 08:07 pm (UTC)
this is...interesting. i fee like i need to read this twice or something. i feel like the author is going back and forth on shit and i find the way she words certain points...irksome? i dunno...
imnotasquirrel 12th-Dec-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
yeah, i think her essay is all over the place
scotchsour 12th-Dec-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
I agree. I may need to reread this as some parts I feel she trying to explain and in other parts I think she sounds full of bullshit.

Like this: This guy is clearly Asian. The answer to “there aren’t enough people of color on covers” is not to make covers with simple, artless portraits of people of color on them (I really don’t like the redone LIAR cover — I wish they’d actually covered the model’s mouth — maybe a scarf or a ribbon or even more artfully posed hands? It just looks rushed, which it probably was.)

What???
likewowman 12th-Dec-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
yeah that is just gibberish
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
THAT WAS THE SECTION I WAS TALKING ABOUT! among others, lol. this is just a mess!
r_a_black 12th-Dec-2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
She has good points, but like you said, she words certain things in a way that makes me think she isn't comprehending the entire point. Like saying "but saying that’s the only acceptable option is going to do these books a disservice" I don't recall the original post making this point at any time, and you'd think this author would be smart enough to understand the that issue is not that we need to have nothing but covers where you can clearly see the full model, but that we hardly have any of them so we're demanding more.
xdecadentx 12th-Dec-2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
I actually loved For The Darkness Shows the stars, but TBH I thought Elliot was white. Though I don't think the ages thing works as well turning her into a teenager.

I don't doubt that this is a problem though. Unsurprised.

To tell the truth though For The Darkness Shows The Stars cover is just all over misleading. It feels like it has no relation to the actual book.

Edited at 2012-12-12 08:09 pm (UTC)
imnotasquirrel 12th-Dec-2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
i haven't read the book, but i always thought of "almond eyes" as being (very stereotypical) code for asian. specifically, east asian. so when i saw elliot described that way, that's what i assumed. in a way, i'm glad that that turned out to not be true, because i was inwardly groaning at the cliche.
xdecadentx 12th-Dec-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
IDK if it's just because Anne Elliot in general (in any adaptation I've read/watched) has never been anything but white, but yeah, when reading it I didn't assume.

I thought she'd be tanned because of all the work she did on the farm etc, but, yeah.
anolinde 12th-Dec-2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
Huh... See, if someone just said "almond eyes," I would assume they were going for a fancy way of saying "brown eyes." But if they said "almond-shaped eyes" (which I've seen a fair number of times) then I would assume the character was supposed to be Asian/of Asian descent.
ncc_gqmf 13th-Dec-2012 01:16 am (UTC)
Just based purely on the clip here, and knowing the book takes place in NZ, I actually assumed offhand she was supposed to be Maori.
wickedwatch 12th-Dec-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
The author was confirming she was white and was tanned from working in the sun.
imnotasquirrel 12th-Dec-2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
It really bothers me that the only time I ever see people online talking about Cindy Pon’s amazing Silver Phoenix series is when they are complaining about the new covers.

maybe she's talking about winterfox.
ceilidh_ann 12th-Dec-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
It's also a deflection tactic. People complained about those covers because they were so clearly white-washed, not to mention incredibly derivative (they reminded me of Alyson Noel's Immortals series - never a good sign).

Personally, I'm sick of very skinny white girls in prom dresses appearing on every book cover, regardless of genre, accuracy to the character or relevancy to the plot.
darlingwendy5 13th-Dec-2012 01:26 am (UTC)
Personally, I'm sick of very skinny white girls in prom dresses appearing on every book cover, regardless of genre, accuracy to the character or relevancy to the plot.

YES.

Especially the pale, skinny girls in black prom dresses like on the Lauren Kate books. There are covers like that EVERYWHERE right now. Is it so hard to try to make a semi-original cover?
miwa201 12th-Dec-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
I notice that often YA authors have biracial characters (and still not main characters) and it's always half white half African American/Asian/Native etc. It feels like they're trying to win a point in the diversity book, but not fully.
crystalzelda 12th-Dec-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
Gotta get those tokens

On the other hand, it's a fine balance to try to achieve, to have diversity in your work but not to fall into the multicultural bingo where you have one random that happens to be a POC to be able to point to.
saltireflower 12th-Dec-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they tend to write have biracial characters who are half white and another ethnicity. I have friends and family who are biracial who rarely get to see/read someone like them. If I ever see a half black half Indian character anywhere I will fall out of my chair.
artemis_archer 13th-Dec-2012 02:16 am (UTC)
There is a half black, half Indian character in the book I'm reading right now. I only just started it though and he hasn't been in it much yet but it's a sequel the the first book had a fairly diverse cast so, fingers crossed.
holyfrijoles_2 12th-Dec-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
i've noticed this more and more now that futuristic/dystopian settings are hugely popular. i guess they're trying to emphasize the futuristic setting
m_pendulum 12th-Dec-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
The cultureless biracial characters are so problematic.
hypnology 12th-Dec-2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
I just went to my bookshelf, and of the past ten books I've read only 3 have had people on the covers, but they were all white people (one did have an Asian girl too).
As problematic as the covers are, I generally don't picture the characters in my head to be like people on the cover, but covers do need to expand to include all races.
scotchsour 12th-Dec-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
I just got a tablet and if I thought it was bad in printed form all the stuff in glorious digital I'm reading has 99% white people unless it is specifically geared toward a racial demographic.

But the books I want to read aren't race based but genre but all of it is white people inside and out.
tobesurrounded 12th-Dec-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
i think it sucks when book covers are white washed, especially YA books. it's an age when people are easily affected. though you would've thought that in 2012 this kind of shit couldn't possibly exist sigh.

the covers to Kelley Armstrong's Darkness Rising trilogy (in which the protagonist is Native American) are whitewashed, too:

/

Edited at 2012-12-12 08:15 pm (UTC)
likewowman 12th-Dec-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
yeah, that one is definitely problematic

i can see how she looks kind of... vaguely... potentially native american but ONLY after being told the character's race.
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
IA.
dirrtypony 12th-Dec-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
the cover model looks hispanic to me.
nightfalltwen 12th-Dec-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
The cover of the first book is better IMHO... but only slightly.

I was just disappointed that she didn't look Salish because it's set in British Columbia and on Vancouver Island. LOL @ the mentions of Nanaimo. IIRC, the character is Navajo and not originally from BC.
crystalzelda 12th-Dec-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
It's a good post but tbh she really needs to learn how to convey information much more efficiently

this was meandering and too long.
kwikimart If you don't like "wank"12th-Dec-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
might I encourage you to make full and proper use of the scroll bar?

Or try this instead
chandyland11 12th-Dec-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
Yes!!! This is the perfect post to share this.

I've been noticing white-washing in YA more and more lately, too. So I decided to do a sort of experiment to test my theory that the vast majority of the most commercially successful YA adaptations are so whitewashed.

So I went to an online face-morph generator and created a generic supermorph of all of this year's geared-toward-young-adult-audience protagonists and love interests into one YA girl and one YA boy.

I took the lead actors from Twilight, Hunger Games, The Host, Snow White & the Huntsman, Beautiful Creatures, and The Mortal Instruments. Keep in mind I only took the lead character and their love interest(s) from mainstream YA adaptations that were either released or went into production this year.




Conclusion: YA adaptations in 2012 are pretty much as white-washed and vanilla as it gets.

Edited at 2012-12-12 08:16 pm (UTC)
crystalzelda 12th-Dec-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
Siighhhh
xdecadentx 12th-Dec-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
I can only see K Stew in the girl, lol
likewowman 12th-Dec-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
i see alexis bledel
scotchsour 12th-Dec-2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
girl from hunger games...
chandyland11 12th-Dec-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
For the girl, this is the formula I used:

Kristen Stewart (Breaking Dawn and again for Snow White and the Huntsman)
Jennifer Lawrence (Hunger Games)
Saoirse Ronan (The Host)
Alice Englert (Beautiful Creatures)
Lily Collins (Mortal Instruments)

For the boy, there was more variety because love triangles are so overused these days so I had more love interests

Robert Pattinson (Breaking Dawn)
Taylor Lautner (Breaking Dawn)
Josh Hutcherson (Hunger Games)
Liam Hemsworth (Hunger Games)
Sam Claflin (Snow White)
Chris Hemsworth (Snow White)
Max Irons (The Host)
Jake Abel (The Host)
Alden Ehrenreich (Beautiful Creatures)
Jamie Campbell Bower (Mortal Instruments)
Robert Sheehan (Mortal Instruments)
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
i see evan rachel wood, tbh
redleigh86 12th-Dec-2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
I see Naomi Watts lol
fwee_prower 12th-Dec-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
that guy could get it tbh.
love_keiko 12th-Dec-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
creeeeeeepy.
imkevinspacey 12th-Dec-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
This is interesting.

And disappointing.

But expected.
devourlove 12th-Dec-2012 09:00 pm (UTC)
wow...not shocked but. Disappointed.
bluntbitchqueen 12th-Dec-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
this post is a lot.
theantipoet 12th-Dec-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
when you're reading a book and a main character's race/ethnicity/physical description is never mentioned... how do you visualize them?

I always wondered that... I tend to visualize characters as white, but I never knew to what extent that was like white privilege or me just seeing characters as similar to me (eg: of my own race)
sandstorm 12th-Dec-2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
I'll usually attempt to visualize them as a POC. I say attempt because 'white is default' and sometimes I'll slip up and imagine them white when I'm not trying to.

scotchsour 12th-Dec-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
It is so ingrained in us that we default white and don't realize it.
xdecadentx 12th-Dec-2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
IDK I'm brown and I usually go on their name, if that makes sense?

Though with the new YA books it does nothing for me because you get shit like Katniss.
hypnology 12th-Dec-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
I kind of tend visualize the characters as myself, especially if it's in 1st person. I just put myself in their shoes.
saltireflower 12th-Dec-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I imagine white because I don't hold out much hope that the character is a poc.
miwa201 12th-Dec-2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
tbh I never visualize characters. It's too much work for me lol. They're just blobs with eyes and mouth to me.
noapologiesx 12th-Dec-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
It really depends. I honestly in the past have defaulted to white, but I've tried to stop myself from doing that and I try to create a more diverse cast in my head.
benihime99 12th-Dec-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
If there's no clear description I don't visualize them tbh
If it just say dark hair then I just see dark hair, eyes, mouth but no face at all
devourlove 12th-Dec-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
I don't really read books much anymore since they're mostly this modern-day dribble nowadays, and if I do it's usually books that had movies based off of them or really old ones, so...

default white :/ because now way they wrote about black people back in the day, and if they do, it's usually mentioned.
soavantgarde 12th-Dec-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
honestly it depends on the book, but they are probably more often than not white.

do POC tend to visualize them as white or POC? I'm wondering how much of it is white being the default and how much is as you said, seeing people as your own race.
joaniemaloney 12th-Dec-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
I suck at visualizing characters but sadly I do imagine them as being white on default (I'm east asian myself). I realize that it's a problem because I visualize them as POC mostly if the setting takes place in a different country. :/

but I never have a clear picture of the characters in my head? I know that some people have ideas of even casting people in roles if they were in charge of the movies and I can never do that. most of the time when I'm reading I can ~feel the character but never really see them.
anolinde 12th-Dec-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
Hm... I'm not quite sure, but tbh I think I visualize most of them as white.
snortingcoke 12th-Dec-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
honestly it depends on the kind of character. but all of the whiny bitches are white to me because i imagine them to look exactly like this asshole i hated in school.
myheyday 12th-Dec-2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
Usually, the race of the author.
r_a_black 12th-Dec-2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
I default on white, because of course I've been brainwashed that way. I manage to snap out of it sometimes and a character will randomly turn, I don't know, black or hispanic for me, but it's not common.

And I'm Hispanic, so yeah. I'm used to not really being able to relate to the protagonists.
violue 13th-Dec-2012 12:11 am (UTC)
i'm a black person guilty of the white-by-default shit
tx5mym5 13th-Dec-2012 01:32 am (UTC)
I'm black. It tends to vary with subject matter, mood, and what background I know about he author. Usually if I read and race isn't mentioned it's white unless I expect the world to be super white and then I add race.

For example, with Ready Player One I knew the author was a white guy who would have white characters, so I imagined the protagonist as Native American and Halliday as half-Asian.
itwontchange 13th-Dec-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
truthfully, it depends on who the author is. if i haven't seen a pic of the author but the author doesn't have a stereotypically ethnic name, then i automatically assume the MC is white.
scotchsour 12th-Dec-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Part of the problem is she believes in "post racial" when we as a species haven't arrive there, this isn't the utopian Star Trek universe, this is now 2012 and we need descriptions of race because when you have a writer flat out say a character's race is something other than white and there are still readers so fucking shocked that the character is not white, well shit sometimes needs to be said in concrete.
wickedwatch 12th-Dec-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
I don't think she believes in the "post-racial" BS necessarily. Her essay might be all over the place, but she clearly recognizes whitewashing covers is a problem and even then readers fail to recognize when characters are POC (like the one reader she mentioned who failed to realize a person can be both black and French.)
buttercup31 12th-Dec-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
I agree this post was meandering all over the place. My confusion is that she's right, part of the girl on her cover is disappearing (on the left), but the rest of the girl is solid and not disappearing (on the right) and is still...very white. Maybe it's the size of the cover here, but I don't see anything indicating mixed race there.
wickedwatch 12th-Dec-2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
The author still says she's white because her Maori is small (from her Grandfather.)
buttercup31 12th-Dec-2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
But she says that the model looks paler on the cover than she'd like because she's disappearing, but that's only true for part of her. What about the other part?
bodyline 12th-Dec-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
Book covers that use models just bother the hell out of me anyway. I can deal with paintings and illustrations of people, but models just turn me away immediately.
imkevinspacey 12th-Dec-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
IA but mainly because I grew so attached to the girls on the covers of Witch Child and I Capture the Castle growing up :/
benihime99 12th-Dec-2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
Same
It ruins the fun for me and it always looks bad
joaniemaloney 12th-Dec-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
it looks so tacky to me, for some reason.
I think it's esp the current trend of these YA dystopian reads sounding all the same, looking all the same, being everywhere.
sandstorm 13th-Dec-2012 12:30 am (UTC)
It just seems like laziness.
batsublue 12th-Dec-2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
I agree with this. Also, movies based on the book being on the cover annoys the hell out of me.
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