2:00 pm - 12/11/2012
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Poll #1884315
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Which Movie Does Kevin Smith Prefer: "The Avengers" Or "The Dark Knight Rises"?
Of course, the massive comic fan in Smith couldn't help but get into the fray with "The Avengers" vs. "The Dark Knight Rises" debate, and for him, Joss Whedon's movie came out on top.
"'The Dark Knight Rises' I have a weird relationship with – it's like a chemical romance with a toxic ex-girlfriend where I love her to death but there are some things about her that are just fucking wrong. 'The Avengers' I loved so more than I thought I would. I've written for Marvel but I was never an Avengers guy. I'm more DC," Smith elaborated. "But I've become obsessed with Favreau's 'Iron Man' movie because I think it's very nearly a perfect film. So when I saw Favreau wasn't doing it I thought, Well what do I care? The first time I saw it was in Australia and it opened a week before it opened here and we were traveling for the 'Jay and Silent Bob Go Down Under' tour and we had just done a show and we went to a midnight show. And the first time I saw it I could not get past the Loki poke-y stick in the beginning. Because Loki sticks something in somebody's chest and it's like 'WAAMP, you're a bad guy.' What the fuck? Is this the level of discourse we're going to have? But you can't deny that flick."
( more douche feelsCollapse )"'The Dark Knight Rises' I have a weird relationship with – it's like a chemical romance with a toxic ex-girlfriend where I love her to death but there are some things about her that are just fucking wrong. 'The Avengers' I loved so more than I thought I would. I've written for Marvel but I was never an Avengers guy. I'm more DC," Smith elaborated. "But I've become obsessed with Favreau's 'Iron Man' movie because I think it's very nearly a perfect film. So when I saw Favreau wasn't doing it I thought, Well what do I care? The first time I saw it was in Australia and it opened a week before it opened here and we were traveling for the 'Jay and Silent Bob Go Down Under' tour and we had just done a show and we went to a midnight show. And the first time I saw it I could not get past the Loki poke-y stick in the beginning. Because Loki sticks something in somebody's chest and it's like 'WAAMP, you're a bad guy.' What the fuck? Is this the level of discourse we're going to have? But you can't deny that flick."
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Poll #1884315
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| The Avengers |
   448 (57.8%) |
| The Dark Knight Rises |
| 144 (18.6%) |
| Can't I like both movies? |
| 183 (23.6%) |
Erm, no, Loki is the bad guy. Clint and Selvig are not bad guys. He uses them as zombiefied soldiers. I don't think anyone in the audience *except* Kevin Smith thought we were meant to think that means they're the bad guys.
As someone who looks for realism in comics, you can say...
I don't even know what his point is here, but if he's after realism he's watching the wrong movie.
Edited at 2012-12-11 10:50 pm (UTC)
Nolan's Batman has memorable moments, I'll give him that but his movies just don't work for me, and I think Greg Rucka said it best that Nolan's films are very well done movies that are essentially embarrassed to be about a guy who calls himself Batman. And I love superhero movies that embrace what they are. Avengers may not have the ~depth~ Nolan attempted, and failed at imo, and it most certainly had plenty of flaws itself, but at least I cared about the characters. I'm convinced Nolan has a very limited understanding of Batman and the supporting characters.
Edited at 2012-12-11 11:12 pm (UTC)
but imo The Avengers was a better movie than The Dark Knight Rises. I really liked both and they are so different it almost seems mean to compare them, different in style and tone and are meant to bring different things out of their audience, but I think Avengers succeeded at more of its goals. TDKR had moments of glory but it also had writing-based problems that kept it from being glorious all the way through. And that's fine, I don't expect a movie to be perfect...but in this single instance when compared to The Avengers it will suffer, because that one had a clear vision and kept to it and was pretty much consistently delightful.