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Which Movie Does Kevin Smith Prefer: "The Avengers" Or "The Dark Knight Rises"?

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Of course, the massive comic fan in Smith couldn't help but get into the fray with "The Avengers" vs. "The Dark Knight Rises" debate, and for him, Joss Whedon's movie came out on top.

"'The Dark Knight Rises' I have a weird relationship with – it's like a chemical romance with a toxic ex-girlfriend where I love her to death but there are some things about her that are just fucking wrong. 'The Avengers' I loved so more than I thought I would. I've written for Marvel but I was never an Avengers guy. I'm more DC," Smith elaborated. "But I've become obsessed with Favreau's 'Iron Man' movie because I think it's very nearly a perfect film. So when I saw Favreau wasn't doing it I thought, Well what do I care? The first time I saw it was in Australia and it opened a week before it opened here and we were traveling for the 'Jay and Silent Bob Go Down Under' tour and we had just done a show and we went to a midnight show. And the first time I saw it I could not get past the Loki poke-y stick in the beginning. Because Loki sticks something in somebody's chest and it's like 'WAAMP, you're a bad guy.' What the fuck? Is this the level of discourse we're going to have? But you can't deny that flick."

"By the middle of it I was like, 'The Hulk is amazing.' The next time I watched it I was totally into it. You can't watch that movie and be like 'I object to the Loki poke-y stick' when there's a motherfucker who turns into a green giant. In my mind Marvel science is okay because we were raised on it. As someone who looks for realism in comics, you can say, 'Well, you could get belted by gamma rays and turn into someone else.' But you can't say, 'A stick from outer space that makes you a bad guy is bullshit!' So I got past that and embraced the whole thing," Smith continued. "I've now watched 'Avengers' about eight times, twice on a plane back-to-back. It just keeps giving. That's 10,000 across the board! Whedon in the driver's seat, 70-80 years of Marvel, and the charm fucking factor of Robert Downey Jr. It runs like a golden machine. I never imagined that I would love 'Avengers' more than 'Dark Knight Rises.' Not only would I have never imagined that 'Dark Knight' would underperform (based on other mitigating factors of course). But I would have never thought 'Avengers' would make more than 'Dark Knight Rises.' But I never would have thought I would have liked 'Avengers' more than 'Dark Knight Rises' but I really did like 'Avengers' more. And I've watched them an equal amount of times. 'Avengers,' I'm not going to say it's the better movie, but it puts a smile on your face. It's magical cinema."

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Poll #1884315
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The Avengers
448 (57.8%)
The Dark Knight Rises
144 (18.6%)
Can't I like both movies?
183 (23.6%)
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megedeborch 11th-Dec-2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
Voting for Spiderman!
punishermax 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Sorry that film needs to flop hard so Marvel can have the rights back
sic_obsession 11th-Dec-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
THIS! I need Peter in TA3.
brucelynn 11th-Dec-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
Sony will never give it up

I think Fox will give up Fantastic 4 and X-men before Sony gives up Spider Man
megedeborch 11th-Dec-2012 07:26 pm (UTC)
Except it didn't & it won't, so I can enjoy my 2.5h of Spiderman instead of him sharing screentime with heroes I care less about.
xpirate_queenx 11th-Dec-2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
THIS TRUTH RIGHT HERE THO
mjspice 12th-Dec-2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
I thought the recent one did? It was bad imo. :/
starchain 11th-Dec-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
you strange strange girl
rebeljean 11th-Dec-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
+1
shiiblee 11th-Dec-2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
tried to watch it yesterday, couldn't finish it so bad.
_dennis_csi_ 11th-Dec-2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
Spider-Man
theblackwidow 11th-Dec-2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
I almost fell asleep during it (I was sleeping on the floor for the week though)
sandvich 11th-Dec-2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
Really? The most positive thing I can think of to say about TASM is that it was definitely a set of moving pictures.
colorsblend 11th-Dec-2012 08:04 pm (UTC)
This!
yourlivewire 11th-Dec-2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
i love your icon enough to ignore that statement.
hahahey 11th-Dec-2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
TASM was so good
hawaii_bombay 11th-Dec-2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched DKR, and I don't feel like, so the answer is The Avengers.
ljubavirakija 11th-Dec-2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
From his answer, you can tell he never saw "Thor".
arcadiaego 11th-Dec-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure he saw the whole of The Avengers if he thought Clint was a bad guy...
la_petite_singe 11th-Dec-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
I'd have to say Avengers--they're both awesome & also flawed, but The Avengers is making my top ten list. TDKR has too many quibbles for me to be sure about it. But maybe my honorable mention list.
ghostsaddle 11th-Dec-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
damn avengers (which i voted for) is already beating TDKR's ass
warsawed 11th-Dec-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
Avengers will win definitely

ONTD hated TDKR
cuteej4 11th-Dec-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
I liked it but it wasn't as good as The Dark Knight
sometimes_mbv 11th-Dec-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
of course it is.
superdogbiter 11th-Dec-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
avengers is better
adri278 11th-Dec-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
I love them both, though the plotholes in TDKR are almost too distracting.
katrinar 11th-Dec-2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
opening sequence is the best, but TDK is better than TDKR. Bane is neat, but not great and it's just all over sort of a meh.
punishermax 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Both are totally different in tone, it's a little weird comparing them
warsawed 11th-Dec-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
IA
whiskybars 11th-Dec-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
mte, people need to stop trying to compare them.
noon 11th-Dec-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
ikr
ginormouspotato 11th-Dec-2012 07:12 pm (UTC)
mte
misscrystal 11th-Dec-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
True, but you have to compare them based on what each movie attempted to accomplish. I think TDKR fell woefully flat of it's potential, whereas The Avengers mostly lived up to it.
TA easily could have rolled into Fantastic Four levels of cheesiness or taking itself too seriously like Watchmen, but it didn't.
mcwicca 11th-Dec-2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
good comment

good icon
punishermax 11th-Dec-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
The problem is that each have rabid fanbases. LBR Avengers fans are rabid as hell, I love the film and all but god damn.

Avengers was fun and awesome but had no depth.

DKR had depth but plotholes.

Avengers had a shitty villain

DKR had Bane kicking ass.

Both fail in very ways that counteract each other.
theblackwidow 11th-Dec-2012 07:39 pm (UTC)
I think I might like Watchmen more than the Avengers. IDEK
i_heart_pizza 11th-Dec-2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
I've never seen Fantastic Four but I thought Avengers WAS cheesy as hell, I just cant get into it. Mark Ruffalo was great tho
maeir 11th-Dec-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
THIS!
_dennis_csi_ 11th-Dec-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
ia they offered different things to audience but I think avengers did it better at implementing it
blenderhead 11th-Dec-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
mte
pseudovirus 11th-Dec-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
ia. plus, ensemble superhero movie vs lone superhero movie

nolan's batman movies are like a genre of their own idk
brucelynn 11th-Dec-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
true but anytime a Marvel and DC movie is released in the same year people will make comparisons
theactualworst 11th-Dec-2012 07:32 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY. The Avengers was pretty much a sci-fi action comedy with some sadness thrown in and TDKR was a very heavy, dark, and more realistic film with some comedy thrown in. I loved them both for what they were I don't see the point in comparing them.
summerstar882 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Neither. One was a Power Rangers cgi fest and the other was a bore.
lovefifteen 11th-Dec-2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
same. i expected better from both.
brucelynn 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
What about Amazing Spider Man tho ?
misscrystal 11th-Dec-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
Should have called it the Angsty Spider Boy.
ediesedgwick 11th-Dec-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
never heard of it
ghostsaddle 11th-Dec-2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
ilu
leperheart 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Avengers simply for the Hot Chrisses.
tankmachine 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
i enjoyed both more or les the same

am I a societal pariah
hangthemj 11th-Dec-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
i like dark knight rises pretty much just for bane because i thought he was suitably scary as fuck
kwikimart 11th-Dec-2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
yeah bane carried that movie
mingemonster 11th-Dec-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
I loved him and the stuff in Gotham after they were isolated, but the rest of the movie was bad enough to outweigh it for me
mcwicca 11th-Dec-2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
Tom Hardy was great in that role but the storyline issues were just too much.
starchain 11th-Dec-2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
Hardy was incredibly in the role, I loved him.
timbershiver 12th-Dec-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
The only scene that really really stood out for me (I have to watch things more than once for them to stick) is Bane crying. I felt really bad for him.

And I laughed a lot at the schoolbus full of orphans - soooo comic book!
kwikimart 11th-Dec-2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
I like both for different reasons.
This DC vs Marvel thing is so played out.
thishollywood 11th-Dec-2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
y does he always wear dat jersey?
glossedcurls 11th-Dec-2012 07:27 pm (UTC)
Security blanket.
flashnights 11th-Dec-2012 08:00 pm (UTC)
lmao i just assumed ppl used the same pic for all his posts
pastelstar 11th-Dec-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
Even muumuus don't fit
firefox1490 11th-Dec-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
hes a cartoon character didnt you know he has a closet full of the same outfit.
thishollywood 11th-Dec-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
lol

my kinda-bf gets v mad b/c he always wears it

i was askin in case sum1 knew if there was a ~reason
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