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1:01 pm - 12/09/2012

Ryan Murphy and 'Glee' Flip a Giant Middle Finger to the Show's Lesbian Fans



It’s not enough that Ryan Murphy and the gang over at American Horror Story have been sadistically torturing out actress, who’s also playing a lesbian, Sarah Paulson week after week in the name of edginess in an over-the-top package of faux sensitivity and meta hyper-awareness of the treatment of women, specifically gay women, in the 60s. Now, Murphy, a gay man, and the rest of Glee staff, pretty much bid a fond fuck you to Glee’s lesbian fan base with a self-reflexive screed from his bisexual character Brittany (Heather Morris), who’s recently been dumped by out lesbian Santana (Naya Rivera) and who is contemplating a relationship with Sam (Chord Overstreet).

The writers at Glee clearly anticipated a maelstrom of hate mail over the show's bisexual character dating a boy – and let’s face it, there are likely disappointed Brittany and Santana fans of every ilk out there – and they attempted to circumvent it by using Brittany as a mouthpiece to warn lesbian fans of how they’ll be perceived as one big unidentifiable mass of angry dykes should they fail to get on board with Brittany’s new relationship.
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Tbh, I don't really watch this show but I know that Murphy has a habit of things like this. The comments at the source are full of (gay?) male fans agreeing with Murphy which I find odd considering that it's a sight geared towards lesbians. 
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fapattack 9th-Dec-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
idk as someone who struggled with her sexuality, and found a lot of comfort in the Brittana relationship/brittany's side as a bisexual (sad, I know) it really does feel like a fuck you.

believe me when i say that i'm the biggest brittana fan out there, but i do love sam's character and a few people can vouch that i was pushing for brittany/sam

but man does it hurt to see the treatment, along with a breakup, plus the line just hitting it right home. kind of makes you think that the acceptance rate of homosexuality + progression really isn't all that high if they're still pushing jokes. and yeah it's silly to say, but i think a good majority are more pressed that we're all getting grouped as crazy and only looking at brittana because they're "hot, popular lesbians"
headswillroll88 9th-Dec-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
nothing wrong with identifying with a character bb.

and it is insulting to lump all lesbians/bi women who enjoy the show as crazy brittana shippers.
fapattack 9th-Dec-2012 08:48 pm (UTC)
plus they completely discredit the fact that brittana isn't just "hot, popular lesbians" to people, you know?
mickeymouse 9th-Dec-2012 09:34 pm (UTC)
aw mel
evett 10th-Dec-2012 04:31 am (UTC)
I don't even understand why he needed to have her give that speech. She is already established as bisexual so dating Sam wouldn't be some weird thing (unlike making Liz from Nip/Tuck magically hetero despite being a lesbian). Shitting on the Brittana fans was unnecessary
365reasonswhy 9th-Dec-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
I feel like you should always give up on Ryan Murphy shows after the first season. They always start out okay and then just rapidly devolve into this kind of fuckery.
thewaughnman 10th-Dec-2012 08:04 pm (UTC)
Well, at least Glee season 2 had Dave Karofsky... who still has to sing when Blaine has sang probably 90% of songs since he appeared (he had what basically amounted as a solo album HALFWAY THROUGH SEASON 2) and Moron Rose is the new Rachel, apparently. And all these love triangles... is it bad of me to hope for an ending similar to the anime version of School Days?
exlenne 9th-Dec-2012 09:00 pm (UTC)
I quit this show after how they handled Santana's being outed by Finn and him somehow being the good guy in the whole thing. I see I made a wise choice, since it only gets worse.

I said it on tumblr (lol) back when I stopped watching, and I'll say it again: Who needs enemies when one of our own (Ryan Murphy) is so good at making a mockery of us? Embarrassing.
saltireflower 9th-Dec-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
Whenever Finn says or does the most homophobic shit, he ends up looking like a hero at the end of the episode. And the stans who defended him for outing Santana are the fucking worst.
exlenne 9th-Dec-2012 09:16 pm (UTC)
It's ridiculous. The whole "fag" episode with Finn and Kurt ended the same way, and I was super pissed off, but I was still way too into the show at the time. But having it happen again and again, and finally with the TRAVESTY that was Santana's outing, I just couldn't watch the show without feeling like I was sacrificing my self-respect.

It's honestly dangerous that a show that has garnered such a young, impressionable audiences is using their platform to reinforce so much crap. And that it is being done by a gay man ... unforgivable.
demikkusuu 9th-Dec-2012 11:25 pm (UTC)
goD i had somehow managed to forget that outing shit finn pulled
i cannot believe that episode i was fucking furious and smh the whole damn time

fuck this show goddamn
wastedaudio 9th-Dec-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
Whenever theres a post about glee on here, im always amazed that its still on the air.
princesethking 9th-Dec-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
...Wait, people are annoyed that a bisexual character wants to have a relationship with a boy?

I'm so confused right now. Then again, Glee doesn't make much sense...
exlenne 9th-Dec-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
No, people are annoyed by the offensive "Fuck you if you're mad, lesbians of the world" speech.
bungalowtick 9th-Dec-2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
i'm convinced the only reason this show was ever successful was because it had gay characters
black_phoenix 9th-Dec-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
So Partners must be a smash, then!
bungalowtick 9th-Dec-2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
touche
miss_lurker 9th-Dec-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of people liked the comedy, the singing, and the diversity of the cast (age, race, gender, and sexuality).

However, Ryan Murphy is the ruiner of all things. I think he should only be allowed to make single season shows.
furato 10th-Dec-2012 12:30 am (UTC)
Pretty sure a lot of it is Lea Michele's voice.
black_phoenix 9th-Dec-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
There is MASSIVE biphobia in the gay community and among "straight allies" that rears its ugly head whenever a bisexual character in the media actually has the balls to hook up with someone of the opposite sex. I think I've noticed that this biphobia is somewhat more prevalent (or, at least, angrier) from the ladies then the gents, as well. I've seen a tremendous amount of biphobia on the internet concerning Brittany being interested in Sam, much of it from folks who ship Brittany and Santana together and who are, in my strong opinion, concealing both biphobia and plain old shipper distress while claiming they're doing it to combat homophobia.

In the next breath, by the way, the straight girls on LJ are usually complaining about Darren Criss getting screentime and the Blaine/Kurt ship, because tearing down the one prominent gay couple on any established network show, that is definitely the best way to fight homophobia!

Not to say that that Glee isn't gross and hidebound, or anything, or that certain characters - Mercedes being at the top of the list - weren't constantly shafted over their run, and I don't mean to suggest this mean little line was called for. But certain aspects of the Brittany/Sam hate specifically have been deeply troubling, to me.
miss_lurker 9th-Dec-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
I know that a lot of people have problems with bi characters hooking up with the opposite sex in shows because that's usually the end of the bi-ness as far as the show is concerned. If they ever even called the character bi in the first place. A lot of the time the character is just gay until they are not again.

The cycle is usually:
1. character dates the opposite sex
2. character surprise falls in love with some guest star of the same sex
3. after the breakup the guest start disappears and the character goes back to dating the opposite sex and only the opposite sex, never to mention their queerness again.
black_phoenix 9th-Dec-2012 11:38 pm (UTC)
Yes, that has happened. However, there is a tendency to talk about it as though it happens more more often then it does. For example, name two shows that have done this in the current decade. 90210 did it, but fuck 90210. Otherwise it's a trend that's been dormant (in U.S. TV, anyway) since the era of The O.C. and high school-age One Tree Hill. At this rate, I believe that sequence is relevant to American culture only as an excuse for biphobia.

This storyline has already showed a major difference between that cycle and what we're watching happen on Glee: when that happens, the same-sex love interest in particular and in general the idea that the "bisexual" character was ever attracted to the same sex at all has already been forgotten by the time she (because it's always a woman) hooks up with another guy. Compare that to what we saw on Glee this week, where Santana is brought up as an important person in Brittany's life in every Sam & Brittany scene. Brittany's relationship with Sam will not make her straight any more then her relationship with Artie did. (It's my personal prediction that Sam won't even come between Brittany and Santana in the end any more then Artie did.)

Frankly, I think the "lesbian blogging community" is really showing their ass with this storyline, both because they're doing a terrible job of analyzing the actual material and because they are letting some really nasty biphobia show. When I think about how some of the same commenters blew up at the very idea of Emily from Pretty Little Liars daring to interact with a male guest star, I honestly have to think that they've more then earned themselves a little middle-fingering.
christoph 9th-Dec-2012 11:31 pm (UTC)
because tearing down the one prominent gay couple on any established network show, that is definitely the best way to fight homophobia!

what a dumb comment. People hate klaine because its grossly emotionally abusive and complain about darren criss because he's an overrated, overexposed talentless hack, not because they're homophobic. Please forgive us for wanting the gay characters to be in relationships that are actually healthy and enjoyable to watch. I'm not a straight girl, and in fact, ive noticed its mostly straight girls that are the ones rooting for klaine.
meadowphoenix 9th-Dec-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
I think for some shippers, it's definitely part of that. However, for most, I think they feel like they fought/asked/begged for lesbian representation on the show every step of the way. From kissing to conversations to something couple-like like every other couple. However, suddenly when one part of that couple is closer to the more prevalent hetero way of romance, none of the obstacles they felt like occurred with girl/girl were evident.

In other words, I think some of it feels bi-phobic because the way they treat boy/girl relationships versus girl/girl relationships is so disparate. So yes, Brittany being with a boy is part of the problem but only because they're treating their couplehood so much differently from the only lesbian relationship. I seriously doubt there would be as much anger if Brittany and Sam never had storylines together, never kissed, and Brittany was silent like when she was with Santana.

Edited at 2012-12-09 11:45 pm (UTC)
wickedwatch 10th-Dec-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
True that with the biphobia in the gay community. My friend (who now considers herself bi, but has never had sexual contact with a guy before) said there were some lesbians she knew who would not be with another girl if they had sex with a guy in the past.
wauwy 11th-Dec-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
Did you not read her hateful speech though?

Also, Ryan Murphy is the one who is always having his characters claim bisexuals are indecisive and greedy -- ~as jokes~.
deltabean 9th-Dec-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
This part of the show disgusted me. It wasn't necessary AT ALL
cookinguptales 9th-Dec-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
Man, I remember being so mad when in AHS season 1 (which was awful you guys, don't lie) the gay dudes got to have a real relationship and want babies, but the women just made out to get a dude hot.
rkt 9th-Dec-2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
i dont know why people keep trying to say murphy can do a single good season. glee was always full of tropes only topped by the glee project (rofl while i cringe)
cookinguptales 9th-Dec-2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
keeeeeerrmiiiiiiittt

I MEAN

No, I agree. I liked the first episode of Glee, the pilot, but it degenerated so quickly. It was bad long before the end of the first season. It just got worse.
scootermcgaffin 9th-Dec-2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
It's leftover love for Popular, tbh
black_phoenix 9th-Dec-2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
LOL "real relationship" you didn't watch it at all, did you?
anus 9th-Dec-2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
Her character seemed more pansexual than anything.
diamantfabriken 9th-Dec-2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
I'm just waiting for Marley to come out. Gayest face I've ever seen.
ohsnapohsnap 9th-Dec-2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
ive said that since the moment i saw her
gabzillaz 9th-Dec-2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
what the fuck
age_of_green 9th-Dec-2012 10:56 pm (UTC)
One day women and their sexuality will be taken seriously. One day after I'm long, long since dead...
demikkusuu 9th-Dec-2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
and ryan "i am the zeitgeist of this generation" murphy is at it again
johnjie 9th-Dec-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
Did a lesbian kill Ryan Murphy's family? Its the only explanation I can think of as to why heroes out of his way to be shitty about them so frequently.
momentsplinter 10th-Dec-2012 03:03 am (UTC)
yes, it was me
wauwy 11th-Dec-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
I applaud you tbh.
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