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Carla Bruni Apologizes For Feminism Remarks After Twitter Backlash



Après Carla Bruni, le déluge. Or at least that's what happened when the former French first lady was quoted in the latest issue of Paris Vogue saying, "My generation doesn't need feminism." Cue the backlash.

In a swift response, French women’s-rights group "Osez le Féminisme!" ("Dare To Be A Feminist"), sent a call out to Twitter, asking followers to tweet why feminism is needed using the hashtag #ChereCarlaBruni (#DearCarlaBruni). We're sure the ensuing barrage of responses made Carla think twice about her statements.

French female senator Laurence Rossignol sent out a particularly noteworthy response to the call, replying in a tweet that translates to, "#ChèreCarlaBruni As long as I get asked whether I am the senator's assistant, the next generation will need feminism."

So, naturally, when Elle.fr spoke to the former supermodel during a phone interview, conversation turned to the pink elephant in the room: any second thoughts, Carla? Well, yes, actually. The supermodel claims that she "completely understands" the negative response, but her words were taken "out of context":

"This phrase is very clumsy and poorly translates my thoughts. It should have read: 'I have never personally felt the need to be a feminist activist'... I imagine I am [a feminist] if feminism means claiming one's freedom. But I am not if it means being committed in an active way to the fight that some women are still leading today... I admire their bravery a lot, but I have chosen to commit myself elsewhere."


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mammary_glands 2nd-Dec-2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
not another feminism post. i don't think i can handle seeing a whole new crop of dumb bitches show their ass in here.
roguewave3 2nd-Dec-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
lol mte

I wonder if this post will have a bunch of white feminists confirming Woc (who do not consider themselves feminists) negative feelings towards feminism.

Also, I will point out there were many ones that were understanding.
aubade_saudade 2nd-Dec-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
in the Taylor post I explained why a lot of WoC do not id as feminists to a white feminist and she proceeded to tryhard school me on how that was an ignorant stance to take since Feminist woc had been such an integral part of feminism

as if there wasn't a silent "despite white men and white women and white feminists" at the end of that sentence
tigersnap 2nd-Dec-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
all of the people saying they aren't feminists lately are white women...maybe you should reconsider your analysis
brucelynn 2nd-Dec-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
Always !!

Look I wouldn't mind feminist posts on ONTD if people actually knew how to discuss the topic , but that is hardly ever the case
It s just a bunch of judgemental folk trying to revoke people's lady cards because they don't want to identify with being a feminist.

Being a woman of color I do not identify with america's idea of " feminism " cuz it ain't done shit for me.
jasmina12345 2nd-Dec-2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
WHERE IS THE LIE SIS WHERE IS IT
batty_gal 2nd-Dec-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
Lol whatever, nothing was taken out of context and you meant what you said.
hypnology 2nd-Dec-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
I am so drained on the topic of feminism. Too many dumbasses that don't understand it.
_beka 2nd-Dec-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
batty_gal 2nd-Dec-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
Is that Bree Williamson?
_beka 2nd-Dec-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
Yup.
nouns 2nd-Dec-2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
As many have said, it seems like a dirty word. Online someone said 'your prob a fat ugly dyke feminist' lmao and on youtube that same user goes out of their way to comment on feminists on like every video. It's tiring to give a fuck about women issues and always voice it because you probably meet the most hostility from women, so i see why this chick has jumped ship. Women have it so fucking rough.

I try no to think about it. All -isms are really complicated, they're intricate, due to political correctness shit, people just disguise them better or fester them, with them coming out in disgusting ways one day. I just, don't like to think about it sometimes because it stresses me out. I see why so many minorities get burnt out early on in the job market no matter how qualified because all the shit we gotta deal with. Gotta worry about a mfer being racist, being sexist, like got damn...let me L I V E. Worst part is women dominate the job field but hold the least position of powers declaring them a minority, now that's some shit.

Edited at 2012-12-02 05:49 pm (UTC)
evett 2nd-Dec-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
"This phrase is very clumsy and poorly translates my thoughts. It should have read: 'I have never personally felt the need to be a feminist activist'... I imagine I am [a feminist] if feminism means claiming one's freedom. But I am not if it means being committed in an active way to the fight that some women are still leading today... I admire their bravery a lot, but I have chosen to commit myself elsewhere."

So what she is saying is she believes in women's rights but not enough to ever do anything to further the cause.

Her clarification is no better

Of course she has never personally felt the need to be a feminist activist. She was born rich, became famous and married a powerful man. She doesn't know the first thing about the struggles of an average woman nor cares.
demented_21 2nd-Dec-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
ita that it is worse. And the fact she doesn't understand that is telling.
wigglybob 2nd-Dec-2012 05:56 pm (UTC)
i agree, but no matter how rich and powerful her husband is she still is operating in a patriarchal society
thetxbelle 2nd-Dec-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
She alone is worth something like 18 million which is a lot more than Sarkozy (iirc). You're still right but I think it makes living in a patriarchal society a little easier and is part of why she's oblivious and doesn't give a fuck.
stoicana 2nd-Dec-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." - Madeleine Albright

demented_21 2nd-Dec-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
karinette001 2nd-Dec-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
eau?????
wigglybob 2nd-Dec-2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
who is the actress in your icon? so pretty
karinette001 2nd-Dec-2012 06:20 pm (UTC)
Mumtaz :3
doleo 2nd-Dec-2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
i didn't understand the last feminism post. i was wondering what makes someone a feminist? genuine question here, because in that post i saw people saying all women (and men) should be feminists if you believe in women's rights. but there was also people saying you're not a "real" feminist if your opinion is x, y, or z and then there's the term "faux feminist" that i don't understand?

can someone explain this to me pls
brucelynn 2nd-Dec-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
I don't think ONTD is the place to ask this question
doleo 2nd-Dec-2012 06:00 pm (UTC)
you're probably right lmao
specialmei 2nd-Dec-2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
Feminism is supposed to mean the belief that people should be treated equally regardless of gender. Therefore, many think that if one believes this, one is a feminist, and that to say that one isn't a feminist means that person doesn't think that people equally regarless of gender, or (more often) that that individual's life is so privileged that they haven't experienced gender-based prejudicial treatment (or, are so blind to the pervasive sexism of their culture that they take it for granted).
Some women have become disenchanted with feminism due to the movement's privileging of the concerns of cis, straight, able-bodied white women and denial of intersectionality (the theory that those who are experience prejudice from multiple fronts experience that combination on multiple simultaneous levels. So, for example, a lesbian woman of color would experience sexism in a different way than a straight white woman).

Edited at 2012-12-02 06:12 pm (UTC)
aubade_saudade 2nd-Dec-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
i'm a feminist because it's a dirty word and it's easier to disclaim it than to claim it, because i respect the efforts made by my grandmother and my mother, because i believe in equal rights. i respect the right of other WoC to disclaim it, because for woc shit ain't ever easy

not because i hate men as individuals or judge women who don't conform to some kind of negative or positive ideal, or because i'm the uglier darker sister of some feminist white ladies who think i should push my race and class aside to fight for rights that may not even trickle my way

vanishingbee 2nd-Dec-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
It really depends on yourself. A lot of people use feminist/feminism as a catch-all term for any people that think that men & women, fundamentally, deserve to be treated as human beings with their own rights and deserve dignity and respect. Other people believe that it involves aligning yourself with feminist movements of the past/present that are problematic wrt WOC, trans issues, other things. How YOU interpret feminism will affect how you identify with it-- and there is nothing wrong with that.

I personally identify it as the best chance women have of affecting change in the many and varied ways that women are systematically encouraged to take part in our own subordinate status. I believe in the idea of a world where women aren't forced into poverty, withheld education, hold the blame for being raped, and generally are not offered the same opportunities in life as their male counterparts, and GENERALLY, where a minority group is not offered the same opportunities as the majority because of circumstance and prejudice. I'm pro-affirmative action, pro-intersectionality (the approach of taking in gender, race, class, etc when forming opinions/theories/etc), pro-elevating everyone without the need to put anyone down in place of that. That's what feminism is to me.

It's not what feminism is to everyone-- even if I wish it were.
_quietriot_ 2nd-Dec-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
I honestly think that some of these people don't even know, themselves. One minute it's "EVERYONE should call themselves a feminist" and the next it's "You're only a real feminist if you agree with all my opinions".

kindafunnysad 2nd-Dec-2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
holy fuck the rant on ontd is getting exhausting
piratesswoop 2nd-Dec-2012 06:37 pm (UTC)
then scroll and find another post
kindafunnysad 2nd-Dec-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
who are you talking to
brucelynn 2nd-Dec-2012 05:57 pm (UTC)
Yes thank god ....
vanishingbee 2nd-Dec-2012 06:09 pm (UTC)
I'm curious, what happened that changed your mind?
browniecakemix 2nd-Dec-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
lmao wow

what made you see sense, bb?
silky_pico 2nd-Dec-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)
that's embarrassing, how old were you
_quietriot_ 2nd-Dec-2012 05:57 pm (UTC)
I honestly feel like there's a HUGE difference between believeing in gender equality, and wanting to define yourself as a feminist. And for that reason, it annoys me when people say that if you belive in equality you should identify as a feminist and that's that. There's so much more to it than that. Sure, plenty opf women don't want to call themselves a feminist becaue they're trying top impress men or whatever. But pretending that's the only reason is dishonest and manipulative, IMO.

Arrgh, I have so many opinions about this issue but I always have trouble articulating them properly, IDK...

And TBH, if Carla Bruni says that: 'I have never personally felt the need to be a feminist activist'.... then I think that maybe the anwser is to listen to what she's trying to say instead of assuming she must be wrong for sure.
_quietriot_ 2nd-Dec-2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
Just to clarify, I don't particularly agree with Carla Bruni's school of thought.
mammary_glands 2nd-Dec-2012 06:06 pm (UTC)
good comment, hon. and ia with that last piece.
brucelynn 2nd-Dec-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
You go Aaliyah
vanishingbee 2nd-Dec-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
I don't think there's a huge difference-- but I do think there's a difference, and though it's not HUGE, it is key, something that cannot ever be ignored or dismissed.
_quietriot_ 2nd-Dec-2012 06:21 pm (UTC)
I guess it's huge or it's not, depending on the individual, IDK.
tundrabeast 2nd-Dec-2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
I can believe her though! I feel like a lot of women in her situation (rich, middle aged, priveliged) say things like that and mean things like this, honestly.
browniecakemix 2nd-Dec-2012 06:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think that is indicative of a problem, though. :-\
tundrabeast 2nd-Dec-2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
Totally agree, just that lots of people on previous pages have gone YEAH RIGHT / accused her of backtracking and I don't see any insincerity in her statements.
ace_kay 2nd-Dec-2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
There's been a lot of people-ignorant-of-feminism wank lately.
superpchan 2nd-Dec-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
Lately, there's been a lot of ignorance/racism in general here. The fools in that Romani post...
browniecakemix 2nd-Dec-2012 06:21 pm (UTC)
I keep on hearing about that Romani post but I never saw it. Link me?
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