5:00 pm - 11/29/2012
The victim in the Lindsay Lohan nightclub fight tells TMZ ... Lohan hurled a racial slur at her moments before the brawl ... calling her a "f**king Gypsy."
TMZ spoke with Tiffany Mitchell -- a well-known psychic who was at club Avenue with a friend Wednesday night when Lohan walked in.
Tiffany tells us ... she had a premonition about Lohan and approached her inside the club to offer her a free reading ... but Lohan turned her down saying, "Give me my space."
As she walked away, Tiffany's friend says she heard Lohan call her a "f**king Gypsy" ... and it set her off.
We're told the friend went ballistic -- unloading a bunch of insults back at Lohan ... calling her a "whore" and telling her "Liz & Dick sucked."
At that point, Lohan lost her cool and socked the psychic in the eye ... and all hell broke loose inside the club. Lohan was eventually arrested for assault.
Tiffany's husband tells TMZ, "We are not Gypsies. That has nothing to do with our religion ... it was a racist comment."
He adds, "Just because your career went down the drain and your new movie sucks, you can't go around beating people up."
As for the connection to Max from "The Wanted" -- we're told Tiffany DID have a convo with the heartthrob earlier in the evening ... but it was just a friendly conversation and Lindsay had nothing to be jealous about.
Source
LINDSAY LOHAN VICTIM She Hurled a Racial Slur at Me
The victim in the Lindsay Lohan nightclub fight tells TMZ ... Lohan hurled a racial slur at her moments before the brawl ... calling her a "f**king Gypsy."
TMZ spoke with Tiffany Mitchell -- a well-known psychic who was at club Avenue with a friend Wednesday night when Lohan walked in.
Tiffany tells us ... she had a premonition about Lohan and approached her inside the club to offer her a free reading ... but Lohan turned her down saying, "Give me my space."
As she walked away, Tiffany's friend says she heard Lohan call her a "f**king Gypsy" ... and it set her off.
We're told the friend went ballistic -- unloading a bunch of insults back at Lohan ... calling her a "whore" and telling her "Liz & Dick sucked."
At that point, Lohan lost her cool and socked the psychic in the eye ... and all hell broke loose inside the club. Lohan was eventually arrested for assault.
Tiffany's husband tells TMZ, "We are not Gypsies. That has nothing to do with our religion ... it was a racist comment."
He adds, "Just because your career went down the drain and your new movie sucks, you can't go around beating people up."
As for the connection to Max from "The Wanted" -- we're told Tiffany DID have a convo with the heartthrob earlier in the evening ... but it was just a friendly conversation and Lindsay had nothing to be jealous about.
Source
you'd be more inclined to call a psychic just plain old crazy than anything about being a gypsy
idk where i'd be without the internet because my immediate environment and surroundings have taught me nothing about the world outside of the US
Like I remember a ~gypsy psychic~ lady on Boardwalk Empire...
but srsly it's very sad that Americans seem to not be exposed at all to the world around them..
You can't blame americans for not knowing all the stuff that's happening elsewhere, just like no one can blame you for not knowing stuff that isn't something you are exposed to.
I literally live on an island, yet i'm fairly well educated on what's going on and what has happened in the past "in the world across the ocean", on both sides of the Atlantic, as well as in Asia, Africa etc. The American education system is obviously doing a shitty job of educating its students on anything that's not American. This is the impression that most people in the world have of Americans in general.
also there's nothing wrong with saying "oh, i didn't know "gypsy" was a pejorative term". but to say that it's not offensive because ~it's not offensive in America~ or making fun of it and the people offended by it, which is what many people have been doing in this post, is not ok.
And yes, our education system sucks and sadly our news doesn't really inform us of anything that doesn't directly affect us here... so what do you want to hear? I guarantee that 90% of Americans you stop on the street won't know gypsy is a negative term and sadly most TV/Entertainment personifies this group to by transient fortune tellers and that's pretty much the extent of the knowledge we get here. We don't get told the negative side.
And truthfully saying that you are aware of every other cultures issues is not true. I have a feeling where you're from may be more open about reporting and educating about world issues, but there is way too much going on in this world to even say you know everything that goes on and what is offensive to each and every culture.
I'm just relaying the point that most Americans sadly don't know it's a offensive word, and I am in no way saying it's not.
firstly, i said "there's nothing wrong with saying "oh, i didn't know "gypsy" was a pejorative term"", and i never said you were one of the people that said it wasn't offensive.
secondly, i said i was "fairly well educated", not "i am aware of every other culture's issues".
Your last sentence pretty much sums up my point. You don't know why it's offensive, because you're taught very little about history in other regions of the world, and you seem to have very little incentive from your surroundings to educate yourselves on it. Everyone should know about the persecution of Romanis and travelers, and why "gypsy" has pejorative connotations today. It's comparable to how everyone should know about the history of slavery in America and why the n-word is offensive. So the fact that Americans don't seem to know about it reflects very badly on them imo.
I agree with you, but how am I supposed to do that when I wasn't even aware of it? I have since educated myself on it, but before that it wasn't something I knew. I know it's a negative thing but i'm in the very small minority here. And there are so few people represented by that group here that it will most likely not be something most of us do know unless something major happens because of the use of that word that involves someone from America... such as this moment with Lindsay.
I do think we are on the same page with this argument, so this is probably not something we need to debate much further. I'm definitely not implying that it's not important to know this information and understand the many other cultures who have gone through oppression and now are called terrible things. We have the Native Americans here that we have a terrible history with and still call Indians when they are not. I live in NYC and I can't tell you how many people who visit don't know the history of this group and that calling them Indians is offensive... but I don't blame these people for not knowing because it's not something they were educated or exposed to because of where they are from. Hell, many Americans don't even grasp that it's wrong.
Anyways, I do understand what you're saying and I agree... i'm just pointing out the sad reality of Americans and our lack of knowing about this stuff. I would have loved to have grown up elsewhere because of how ignorant my surroundings are. I'm so over this country sometimes and our lack of caring about anyone but ourselves. Luckily I live in the age of the internet so I can at least learn about these things this way.
It's ok to not be educated on certain things, what matters is how you handle it when you do learn about it. LIke in this post, all the "oh i didn't know" comments were fine, but the people making light of it, even after being told it's offensive, are just awful.
Are you seriously lumping together all Americans as having terrible educations and not being culturally aware?
Seriously?
What an ignorant fool.
There's no point in even trying to engage someone in conversation with such uninformed, outrageously generalized ideas. So don't ask me why I'm bothering.
Maybe the poster you were replying to doesn't know much about other cultures but that does not reflect on every American. Only an idiot would think that.
No.
Not once did I say "All Americans are ignorant and culturally unaware".
However, the American school system does not seem to place much importance on teaching world history, and American media doesn't seem to care much about reporting world news, unless the US is involved somehow. So the US as a nation in general does not seem to be very informed or educated about the culture of other nations or what is currently going on outside America. Which is the fault of the education system and the media. But that doesn't excuse the idiots in this post who assumed that this wasn't offensive, because they personally don't know it's offensive.
Of course there are Americans who are educated and aware of what's going on, I've met plenty of them myself. But if you compare the average American to, let's say a Swede or a German, they're less aware of what's going on outside their own country. This is my experience and also that of several of my friends and family, some of whom have lived in the US for years or even decades. Americans that I know who are living and/or studying in outside the States will also tell you this.