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9:06 pm - 11/26/2012

LEGAL EXPERTS WEIGH IN ON BERRY/AUBRY CUSTODY SAGA




Halle Berry is reportedly off to court this week in an effort to extend a temporary restraining order against her ex Gabriel Aubry, following the Thanksgiving punch-up with the actress’ current partner, actor Olivier Martinez.
If granted, Aubry, 36, could lose rights to see his four-year-old daughter, Nahla, for an indefinite amount of time, according to family law experts.


“A restraining order is a game-changer,” attorney Diana Mercer told Celebuzz. “If this restraining order holds up, the legal presumption is Gabriel can’t have joint custody of any kind.”
Mercer, author of Making Divorce Work: 8 Essential Keys for Resolving Conflict and Rebuilding Your Life, said the court would decide the fate of the Canadian-born father based on whether “your judgment is poor… and thus you can’t have legal or physical custody of the child.”
Berry’s lawyers have previously argued that Aubry has an uncontrollable temper.
The pair dated for four years before their split in 2010 and since have become embroiled in a bitter court battle over custody of Nahla.
Earlier this month, a judge denied the actress’ request to move to France with Nahla and Martinez — a decision widely considered a court victory for Aubry. He argued the move to France would have been punitive and was designed to stop him from having contact with his daughter.
“The biggest thing is going to be that restraining order hearing,” added Mercer.

She said Berry “can go back in (to court) and ask for modification of the moving order,” she said. “It would have been better if Olivier had stayed out of it. But thanks to O.J. Simpson, the police err on the side of caution.”
But Darren Kavinoky, a Los Angeles based criminal attorney, said the Cloud Atlas star shouldn’t expect the judge’s decision to be reversed completely.
“Just because he behaves badly, she would not be able to relocate to France. In other words, I wouldn’t go renew my passport now,” said Kavinoky.
But Kavinoky said Aubry’s ability to have custody of Nahla is in question.
“This whole incident gives rise to a renewed discussion… in terms of him being able to parent appropriately,” he said.
“I would expect that if she [Berry] is looking for renewed leverage, now she has it. This incident opens the doors to raise the issue about his capability of managing his own behavior.”

If the court believes that as a result of his inability to control his own impulses that his abilities to parent are compromised, then it’s possible that his visitations would be limited,” he said, “and it’s possible that he could only be with his kid under monitored supervision.
“What the court is going to be struggling with is asking themselves if his ability to control himself spills over to his parenting — or just limited to just the new man in his daughter’s life.
“Even if it’s found that in this instance he had too much testosterone for his own good, if I’m on his side, I’m going to argue ‘I may not play well with other grown-ups, but I can still be an effective, loving parent.’
“With this issue,” Kavinoky added, “ultimately the court has a lot of discretion to do what’s in the best interest of the child.”


ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
The other post was like mind blowing for me tbh. LOL. If someone hits you, you aren't suppose to beat them up? You're suppose to restrain them or get away. It's the total opposite of everything I've ever learned.
emologues 27th-Nov-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
if someone takes a swing at you and misses (hell even if they land it), you're supposed to beat the hell out of them? where the fuck did you learn this jesus....there's a difference between SELF-DEFENSE i.e. restraining the other person and protecting yourself and trying to kill them
ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 04:10 am (UTC)
I didn't know the extent of his injuries. I thought Gabe was just bruised from a few punches. I didn't know he was unconscious. Obviously he went over the top...
hearthecity 27th-Nov-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
you're not supposed to beat them to a bloody pulp, you're supposed to use enough force to stop them and then stop yourself.
ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
Oops. Yeah I didn't realize what Oliver actually did. Thought ONTD was overreacting with the killing thing...
handsdowntoo 27th-Nov-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
He reportedly knocked him unconscious. Some of those blows legitimately could have caused brain damage. There is no visible damage to Olivier but his hand. You can protect yourself but you don't use someone else starting it as an excuse to permanently damage them. If its even true Gabriel started it.
ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
Ahh ok. I didn't know the extent of his injuries. I just saw his bruises and I have seen people who got into fights with similar bruises and they were fine. I didn't know he got him that bad.
sweet_honesty 27th-Nov-2012 05:05 am (UTC)
Yes, because that's what adults do.
ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 05:13 am (UTC)
Nah. I talked to my older sister about it and she's 29 and she was confused after I told her what I read here. I don't think anyone I know irl would say what you guys said on here tbh. It does make me want to ask people about it though. Definitely something to think about!
anapplegirl 27th-Nov-2012 12:54 pm (UTC)
Adults also don't go around starting fights with people. Don't start something you can't finish.
bellwetherr 27th-Nov-2012 05:29 am (UTC)
Violence is never the answer, tho. Who the fuck taught you anything?
ragechill 27th-Nov-2012 05:37 am (UTC)
I learned that violence is the answer when someone puts their hands on you or spits on you. I guess your mom taught you differently.
quidscipio 27th-Nov-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
yes, legally you should restrain them or just remove yourself from the situation. obviously, if you're fighting for your life and you can't get away, you should do everything in your power to defend yourself, even if it ends up meaning that you utilize lethal force. however, in a situation like this, where one party has an obvious advantage in that he is trained to fight as an ex-boxer, his body can be considered a weapon (same as a knife or other object) and he can be convicted of excessive force for going above and beyond self defense, even if he weren't the first offender
frelling_tralk 27th-Nov-2012 10:35 am (UTC)
There's a difference between hitting back and inflicting a little damage in defending yourself, and between smashing someone's face in the driveway, kicking them in the ribs etc. It really comes across like Olivier was just waiting for an excuse to go nuts on the guy, and if he was a trained boxer as well apparently then he could have shown a lot more restraint and easily subdued him before completely pulverising his face. Just a couple of strong punches would have been enough to get the guy on the ground and you on top and effectively restraining him because, judging by the injury comparisons, Gabriel really didn't know how to fight anyway
starrika 27th-Nov-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
You can use as much force against them as they use against you. So, no deadly force if they take a swing at you. But if they're shooting a gun at you, you can use deadly force right back. This is super abridged, but your basic concern should be proportionality.
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