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9:06 pm - 11/26/2012

LEGAL EXPERTS WEIGH IN ON BERRY/AUBRY CUSTODY SAGA




Halle Berry is reportedly off to court this week in an effort to extend a temporary restraining order against her ex Gabriel Aubry, following the Thanksgiving punch-up with the actress’ current partner, actor Olivier Martinez.
If granted, Aubry, 36, could lose rights to see his four-year-old daughter, Nahla, for an indefinite amount of time, according to family law experts.


“A restraining order is a game-changer,” attorney Diana Mercer told Celebuzz. “If this restraining order holds up, the legal presumption is Gabriel can’t have joint custody of any kind.”
Mercer, author of Making Divorce Work: 8 Essential Keys for Resolving Conflict and Rebuilding Your Life, said the court would decide the fate of the Canadian-born father based on whether “your judgment is poor… and thus you can’t have legal or physical custody of the child.”
Berry’s lawyers have previously argued that Aubry has an uncontrollable temper.
The pair dated for four years before their split in 2010 and since have become embroiled in a bitter court battle over custody of Nahla.
Earlier this month, a judge denied the actress’ request to move to France with Nahla and Martinez — a decision widely considered a court victory for Aubry. He argued the move to France would have been punitive and was designed to stop him from having contact with his daughter.
“The biggest thing is going to be that restraining order hearing,” added Mercer.

She said Berry “can go back in (to court) and ask for modification of the moving order,” she said. “It would have been better if Olivier had stayed out of it. But thanks to O.J. Simpson, the police err on the side of caution.”
But Darren Kavinoky, a Los Angeles based criminal attorney, said the Cloud Atlas star shouldn’t expect the judge’s decision to be reversed completely.
“Just because he behaves badly, she would not be able to relocate to France. In other words, I wouldn’t go renew my passport now,” said Kavinoky.
But Kavinoky said Aubry’s ability to have custody of Nahla is in question.
“This whole incident gives rise to a renewed discussion… in terms of him being able to parent appropriately,” he said.
“I would expect that if she [Berry] is looking for renewed leverage, now she has it. This incident opens the doors to raise the issue about his capability of managing his own behavior.”

If the court believes that as a result of his inability to control his own impulses that his abilities to parent are compromised, then it’s possible that his visitations would be limited,” he said, “and it’s possible that he could only be with his kid under monitored supervision.
“What the court is going to be struggling with is asking themselves if his ability to control himself spills over to his parenting — or just limited to just the new man in his daughter’s life.
“Even if it’s found that in this instance he had too much testosterone for his own good, if I’m on his side, I’m going to argue ‘I may not play well with other grown-ups, but I can still be an effective, loving parent.’
“With this issue,” Kavinoky added, “ultimately the court has a lot of discretion to do what’s in the best interest of the child.”


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jackal_onassis 27th-Nov-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
i think that mug shot of gabriel was really telling

if he gets a restraining order because he cant control himself around nahla, then oliver shouldn't be around her either because gabriel's face was DESTROYED
vehiclesshockme 27th-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
Yeah I don't think he should be around her either.
jackal_onassis 27th-Nov-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
especially because he's not her father so i feel like he would be more likely to harm her than gabriel would even if they both have tempers
whiskybars 27th-Nov-2012 03:46 am (UTC)
where is the mug shot?
judgmental 27th-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
I agree.
niimaa 27th-Nov-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
the fact he has no injuries on his hands spells doom for Olivier. the question is, will he be sent to jail? i highly doubt it, but the guy is obvs dangerous.
crystalzelda 27th-Nov-2012 04:10 am (UTC)
ia. There's defense, and then there's pounding a dude to a bloody pulp. I wouldn't want either dudes around my (theoretical) kids lbr
murdered_beauty 27th-Nov-2012 09:34 am (UTC)
for real, she's scared because of his anger issues or w/e but I would be equally afraid of Oliver's too.
bigdogz09 27th-Nov-2012 01:56 pm (UTC)
Ollie is a former professional fighter - nuff said. I believe Gabe's telling of the events.
ediesedgwick 27th-Nov-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
Give the baby to the guy who got beat up, everyone else is unsafe. Especially Halle, the root of this problem

Edited at 2012-11-27 03:35 am (UTC)
for_serious13 27th-Nov-2012 04:14 am (UTC)
......

totally ignoring that the guy who got beat up started the fight, and has other anger issues (shoving the nanny, going to anger management classes)

pretty sure he's unsafe
handsdowntoo 27th-Nov-2012 04:21 am (UTC)
The thing is those are all accusations from Halle's camp. If Olivier looked like Gabriel does then I'd believe them. But her side doesn't add up. If it doesn't add up here, then how can you blindly believe the rest of what she's said about him? The court has continuously seemed to rule in his favor including in that nanny incident.

I'm sure he's not a Saint. I just don't see evidence he's a danger to Nahla that Halle and Olivier aren't.
skankattack 27th-Nov-2012 04:22 am (UTC)
He wasn't charged. The case was dismissed because there wasn't enough evidence.
frelling_tralk 27th-Nov-2012 10:21 am (UTC)
He didn't start the fight though, he's the one asking for the tapes to be released which will supposedly prove that he was jumped. And that would be consistent with his injuries

Edited at 2012-11-27 10:22 am (UTC)
nicolesnitchie 27th-Nov-2012 04:45 am (UTC)
lol @ gabriel being safe
lomhm 27th-Nov-2012 06:20 am (UTC)
girl halle isn't the one who bashed gabriels face in
thetxbelle 27th-Nov-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
This situation is some seriously fucked up shit.
noon 27th-Nov-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
what olivier did to gabriel's face "in self defense" makes me worried for halle and nahla, negl
duckyduck92 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
seriously. his face got destroyed.
hearthecity 27th-Nov-2012 03:38 am (UTC)
Yeah those kind of rage issues are no joke
twowaymirrrors 27th-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
Seriously, in no way do those kind of injuries result from self defense.
chantalzola 27th-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
When people said his face was destroyed, I still was shocked by what I saw. Wow. Something is REALLY fishy with Halley and Oliver's version of events.
vehiclesshockme 27th-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
Ditto. Also Halle doesn't have a really good track record with men. :\
ms_mmelissa 27th-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
Same. :(
niimaa 27th-Nov-2012 04:17 am (UTC)
there was definitely malicious intent and that can be proven by the way he landed the blows and the severity of the injuries, the fact his hands were broken because of the hitting and the fact Gabe has no injuries to his hands. am not sure how California deals with this shit, but in some states what Olivier did to Gabe can actually land you in jail for a couple of years, even if you claim self-defense.

the guy is a menace. the fact Halle is ok with what he did is really problematic and bordering on abusive to Nahla.
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:33 am (UTC)
Did you see the pics of him going to the hospital to get his widdle hand looked at? Fucking pathetic. Yeah, we feel sorry for you bud.
jackal_onassis 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
i gasped when in the last post, i scrolled and saw this


its completely messed up
love_keiko 27th-Nov-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
RIGHT?! he face is FUCKED up.
hershelwalker 27th-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
the picture of olivier just strolling out of the hospital with his hand in his pocket is sf disturbing
calinewarkwc69 27th-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
FFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK
elstree 27th-Nov-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
holy shit. i would not want my kid around a dude who would do this to someone.
viakyusu 27th-Nov-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
HOLY SHIT
whiskybars 27th-Nov-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
there's no way in HELL that was done in self defense
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:36 am (UTC)
will his face ever be the same? D:
mcwicca 27th-Nov-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
I'm surprised he didn't have some kind of brain bleed.

Head injuries are so terrifying. He sustained this amount of damage and will presumably be okay yet Natasha Richardson bumped the back of her head and died. You never know what will happen with these things.
kal_ella 27th-Nov-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
i legit gasped when i saw those photos
nicholasdee 27th-Nov-2012 04:33 am (UTC)
no brusing on his knuckles
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:36 am (UTC)
fucking brutality :'(
wonderwomanhero 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
omg gabriel has a tag?
rogue 27th-Nov-2012 05:57 am (UTC)
omg this comment after the half a page full of the ones before it i guilty snickered
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:37 am (UTC)
oliver would like to give him a toe tag
pastelstar 27th-Nov-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
mirallegro 27th-Nov-2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
omg
twowaymirrrors 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
This whole situation is so messed up.
emptypostcard 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
I love the random OJ Simpson shade
love_keiko 27th-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
i was JUST thinking about the "good-ole-days" when they were together and happy and setting the red carpet on fire with their sexy asses when this post came up.

how the mighty have fallen...

this custody saga is exhausting--i just want this to end with nahla frolicking off in to the sunset. with suri.
loganx2 27th-Nov-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
Everything that these lawyers are saying about Gabriel should be said about Olivier also. I mean look that the photos, the man has a temper. If they are worried about one they should be worried about the other.
vanishingbee 27th-Nov-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
gawbry has actually successfully gotten a restraining order against olivier, so it definitely should be applied to him. IDK what went down with Halle petitioning to have one, it seems that minimally she hasn't gotten it yet.
alkalinecupcake 27th-Nov-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
i haven't been keeping track what's happening, last i heard was a video that supposedly someone recorded of the fight? what happened to that.

seriously fucked up situation. The ADULTS need to check their egos for Nahla.

Also, why wasn't Olivier charged with anything? He was involved in the fight too.

Edited at 2012-11-27 03:47 am (UTC)
bostongirl2003 27th-Nov-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Radar reported that there was security video footage of the fight (I'm assuming it was recorded by Halle's security cams) but at the time of the posting, it had not been turned over to police yet. The text (which again, came from Radar) said that Gabriel was anxious for it to be viewed as it supported his claim that Olivier started the fight.
alkalinecupcake 27th-Nov-2012 04:21 am (UTC)
interesting, thanks for the update.
bbbitchface 27th-Nov-2012 11:44 am (UTC)
daily mail is reporting that the tape was deleted by the halle camp before the police could get a hold of it. i think gabriel said that in a statement or something.
bluesforgotten 27th-Nov-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
look, you can say gabriel is violent/lacks impulse control and becomes violent


but if you're going to argue that...olivier CLEARLY IS VIOLENT TOO.


i don't know, i still don't think olivier ever should've gotten involved, not excusing what happened after that, but stay the fuck out of their already contentious custody debate
superhetoric 27th-Nov-2012 03:40 am (UTC)
that's the part of this that kind of freaks me out the most. i dated a guy with kids and as we were getting more serious i was like "if you want your girlfriend to take your side in disputes with your ex you're going to have to date someone else." like why would someone WANT to get involved in that mess?
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:39 am (UTC)
clearly violent and capable of serious injury. he's lucky he didn't kill the guy.
superhetoric 27th-Nov-2012 03:38 am (UTC)
i would immediately dump my boyfriend if he ever beat someone up like olivier did gabriel... unless it was an EXTREME situation of self defense, like a crazy person pulled a knife on him or something. doesn't sound like that was the case here.
_natsumi_ 27th-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
ikr

it's just horrifying what he did to his face that is more than self-defense. I don't know who started it but I'm sure it wasn't worth that beating
nachomuchacho 27th-Nov-2012 03:49 am (UTC)
Yeah and even though they don't get along, he's the father of her daughter. If my husband and I ever separated, I would always want him happy and healthy...for our daughters sake at least.
richinlaughter 27th-Nov-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
MTE
lathwen1 27th-Nov-2012 04:41 am (UTC)
this is exactly what I said in a previous post about this.
arlen_mci 27th-Nov-2012 04:51 am (UTC)
exactly what i was thinking- I could hate the man with all the passion in the world, but in what world would I want my daughter living with/spending a considerable amount of time with the man who put her father in the hospital? Mixed messages doesn't even begin to cover the problems there.
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:40 am (UTC)
seriously
frelling_tralk 27th-Nov-2012 10:27 am (UTC)
Same, I can't imagine how a child would respond to seeing her fathers's face that smashed up when the pictures are disturbing enough to me. However much you might hate your ex you still need to put your daughter first and cut the new man out of your life if he's capable of inflicting that kind of damage on her father
beatlesluv 27th-Nov-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Same tbh. It looks like he took it too far.
mistycreed 27th-Nov-2012 04:18 am (UTC)
same
I couldn't handle someone who would willingly beat someone to pulp and it not be in a some-guy-just-a-pulled-a-knife-or-other-deadly-weapon-on-me situation.
lathwen1 27th-Nov-2012 04:39 am (UTC)
this!
shanny_w 27th-Nov-2012 08:39 am (UTC)
and especially if he was doing it to impress me or prove how devoted to me he was D:
luvallthis 27th-Nov-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
In front the beaten guy's child* possibly. :/
handsdowntoo 27th-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
Those pictures scared the fuck out of me. This really seems like a shady situation. I hope its fully investigated before they take some rights away from Gabriel. He looked like he was beaten within an inch of his life. Blows to the head are serious shit.
nachomuchacho 27th-Nov-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
Yeah the right side of his face looked scary swollen, like someone else said it was like brain damage type punches.
saintssin 27th-Nov-2012 04:00 am (UTC)
the guy was apparently a boxer. Which explains a lot.
skankattack 27th-Nov-2012 04:24 am (UTC)
ia
cukoo4cocopuffs 27th-Nov-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
The last guy I saw looking like this was George St. Pierre last weekend. AND he was in a fight with a 6x world jujitsu champion for 25 minutes. Someone went a wee bit overboard.
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lastshotringing 27th-Nov-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
George doesn't look nearly as bad as Gabriel, imo.
cherie_b 28th-Nov-2012 01:24 am (UTC)
I was at that fight!! Made trip from Ohio to Montreal with my sister. The crowd was INSANE! When he took that kick to the head and went down, I gasped. I've always liked St. Pierre, but this fight turned me into a full-fledged stan.
aprilfunk 27th-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
I'm probably missing out on a lot of things here, but why would you give sole custody to the woman whose fiancee beat up the father of her child? Isn't that a bit dangerous? I mean, the guy has already demonstrated violent tendencies and I sure as fuck wouldn't want him around a child

#FREENAHLA

this is a clusterfuck
vehiclesshockme 27th-Nov-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
Yeah I don't think Nahla being around Olivier is in her best interest at all.
owtfx 27th-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
Halle had the better lawyer i guess
hearthecity 27th-Nov-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
these lawyers are just bullshitting, no one knows the whole story yet
starswept 27th-Nov-2012 04:32 am (UTC)
Yeah, it seems these lawyers weighed in before the photos of Gabriel's face were released. I think their opinions would differ a bit if they had seen those.
klmnumbers 27th-Nov-2012 04:30 am (UTC)
Well, I'm not familiar with the ~domestic relations code in California, but where I live, you can file for a restraining order against family/spouse (called a Protection from Abuse). What happens is that a party makes basic allegations - i.e. My former husband got in a fist fight with my new man at Thanksgiving with me and baby present. We're scared for our lives.

Then, the judge will grant a PFA temporarily which keeps the Defendant from seeing the spouse/their child at all pending an actual hearing on the matter.

Then, if the hearing results in a lack of evidence for a PFA, custody would revert to what it was before. But, people usually use a PFA as leverage to negotiate custody since there is a risk that the Defendant would be screwed from seeing their kid if the PFA is granted.

Basically, it's a shady way to get temporary custody, and I hate it.
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