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8:15 pm - 11/16/2012

Michael Haneke drags "Schindler's List", "Downfall"



As part of The Hollywood Reporter's Roundtable series, THR's executive editor Stephen Galloway sat down at The Residences at the W Hollywood with a panel of writers that included Michael Haneke and John Krasinski in a conversation that featured a discussion of the fine line between humanizing and sympathizing with certain historical figures.

THR: OK, if you were going to show Osama bin Laden, to what extent do you humanize a guy like that? There was a very good German film, Downfall, about the last days of Hitler, and it was an extraordinary human portrait. The danger is whitewashing what he's done.

Michael Haneke: I have to say that I argued with Downfall writer-producer Bernd Eichinger about the film. I found it both repulsive and dumb. When you're dealing with a figure of such a deep historical context, what are you doing with him? You're creating melodrama. You're trying to move your spectators, but what emotions are you calling on? Your responsibility entails enabling your audience to remain independent and free of manipulation. The question is, how seriously do I take my viewer and to what extent do I provide him with the opportunity of creating his own opinion? Am I trying to force my opinion on the spectator?

THR: Would you make a film about Hitler?

Haneke: No. It's impossible for me, turning this into entertainment. That's why I have problems with Steven Spielberg's film about the concentration camps [Schindler's List]. The mere idea of trying to create suspense out of the question of whether the showerhead gas is going to come is unspeakable. For me, the only film about the Holocaust that is responsible is Alain Resnais' Night and Fog. Resnais asks the spectator: What do you think about this? What does this mean to you?

Chris Terrio: I'm very interested in what Michael said about the suspense of the shower in Schindler's List because in a sense it's the same in Argo. I'm not sure about the ethical implications of taking real people's lives and trying to make it a nail-biter.

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The Hollywood Reporter roundtables typically draw diverse groups of talented people. But the six men who gathered Oct. 2 at The Residences at the W Hollywood might be among the most eclectic bunch we've ever assembled. Journalist and Oscar-winning screenwriter Mark Boal, 39, chronicles the manhunt for Osama bin Laden in his still-unfinished Zero Dark Thirty, while comedy kingpin Judd Apatow, 44, takes funny aim at his own family life in This Is 40. German auteur Michael Haneke, 70, brought along a translator to help him discuss his Palme d'Or-winning Amour with sitcom star-turned-scribe John Krasinski, 33, who wrote the anti-fracking drama Promised Land with Matt Damon. And veteran writer David Magee, 50, shared stories about his fantasy spectacle Life of Pi with Chris Terrio, 35, whose Argo marks his first feature screenwriting credit.

You can also watch the (NSFW) scene mentioned from "Schindler's List", followed by "Night and Fog", in full, below:

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brokenseas 16th-Nov-2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
In a way I agree, and I think that's what's been bothering me about The Impossible (though I haven't seen it, so I can't make a fair comment). BUT, I do think there are interesting and necessary movies to be made about war/tragedy though so Idk. It's a very fine line between education/the study of the human condition/raising questions and exploitative/disaster porn.

Edited at 2012-11-16 10:39 pm (UTC)
kurtvonnegut 16th-Nov-2012 10:42 pm (UTC)
People are going to disagree but I found the Polish movie In Darkness (nominated for Best Foreign Film last year) kind of in the vein of exploitative. It was basically us sitting there and watching these horrible things happen with no real plot or study of human condition. No reason why that money shouldn't have been spent on a documentary.

Edited at 2012-11-16 10:43 pm (UTC)
brokenseas 16th-Nov-2012 10:46 pm (UTC)
Isn't that one almost entirely set in the sewer? I haven't seen it, but if it's that one I can see how that would VERY easily turn into something exploitative.
kurtvonnegut 16th-Nov-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
Yes. And at the end they all came out and it suddenly became about what a hero the man who hid them was. Not that he wasn't, but it left me feeling really uneasy about how the focus turned off the victims and to the savior.
brokenseas 16th-Nov-2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that type of stuff just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. And the movie that is currently responsible for that taste is Lincoln.
raunchyb 16th-Nov-2012 11:29 pm (UTC)
What was wrong with Lincoln? (I haven't seen it.)
brokenseas 16th-Nov-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Mostly the portrayal (or lack of portrayal) of African Americans. This is a really good summary of the problems: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/opinion/in-spielbergs-lincoln-passive-black-characters.html
whiskybars 16th-Nov-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
omg thank you that movie was a pos
joaniemaloney 17th-Nov-2012 12:25 am (UTC)
it's okay, I feel like that about The Impossible too ever since I saw the trailer. it seems unnecessary, but also uncomfortable to see how once again, they're telling the story and journey of the white family.
brokenseas 17th-Nov-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
Yeah exactly and it's also so soon. It's just giving me very weird vibes overall
joaniemaloney 17th-Nov-2012 02:20 am (UTC)
I was rme when I realized what the movie was about when I saw the trailer in theatres. disappointed Ewan's involved with this, ngl.
beating_heartss 17th-Nov-2012 08:10 am (UTC)
My co-workers have seen The Impossible and there's a specific part that just made me hate it immediately. I can tell you but I don't want to ruin it, let me know.
brokenseas 17th-Nov-2012 05:33 pm (UTC)
If you see this, I would actually like to know! In a post yesterday the director had extras who were actually in the tsunami tell their stories to Ewan so he could get in right frame of mind for some emotional moment. It really grosses me out, idk.
beating_heartss 12th-Dec-2012 07:06 am (UTC)
Damn, almost a month, I just found this comment!

The ending after they find one another, they fly away back home to white people safety on a private jet and they look out the window and see the entire place in RUINS. It's so sick, people flying over in a private jet looking down on people suffering? are you fucking kidding me?
brokenseas 12th-Dec-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Ewww. That is ridiculous and vile. How do people agree to these movies???

Thanks for getting back to me!
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