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12:37 pm - 11/14/2012

Jeremy Renner talks about SNL, Hansel and Gretel, and Bourne Legacy on the Today Show





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notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
They won't even make fucking Black Widow/Hawkeye posters, so lord knows I won't get that movie of them. =/
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 09:45 pm (UTC)
A Black Widow movie featuring Hawkeye then?

Who am I kidding? A female superhero protagonist? Never!
notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
lmao a Hawkeye movie featuring Black Widow is probably more likely there.
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
But, lbr, Black Widow has the way cooler back story.

They could totally write a killer movie based on her character if they weren't so in love with the male heroes, bromances,and Loki.
notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
Oh I agree. But WOMENZ DON'T SEE MOVIES so they'll make an Ant-Man movie before they even make a Black Panther one. =/
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
This idea that women are non-entities in the sci-fi fantasy world is mindboggling to me.

Who started this idea and when can I punch this person in the throat?
notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
Mte, we're not watching/reading these things to impress men. We actually like them too and have for a long time. You can't tell me men helped make Harry Potter/Twilight/Hunger Games popular because they didn't.
chibik3r0 14th-Nov-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
but you're forgetting about the smashing success that was Elektra.
notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
And that's what they'll keep on using as an excuse, and ignore that Green Lantern was a flop with a male lead. (I know that DC.)
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
And ignore the overwhelming differences in the film industry regarding superhero films between then and now to justify not making it.

With Disney owning Marvel, billions of dollars at their disposal, the huge success of the Marvel Cinematics Universe franchise, now would be the BEST time to make a Black Widow movie.

Hell, I'll even say that the involvement of Joss Whedon makes it even more of a perfect time to make this movie even though I think HIRING A FEMALE DIRECTOR WOULD NOT BE AMISS.
notoriousreign 14th-Nov-2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Daredevil was a bust too, but they won't be using THAT as an example. Shit's changing, it's high time women are appreciated more in film in general, but they're picking Ant-Man first? Come the fuck on.
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 10:08 pm (UTC)
Sure, there was Elektra. But I think it's important to distinguish the differences that exist in the film industry between then and now regarding superhero films especially as pertaining to Marvel.

Daredevil and Elektra happened before the Marvel started their new Cinematics Universe franchise with Iron Man in 2008 soon after which Disney bought out Marvel, pouring a ton of money into the franchise and helping to make it the massive success that it is today.

This is the opportune moment to use all the goodwill from the audience, all the hype generated by the successes of Iron Man, Captain America, Avengers etc... to make a movie that might not otherwise get made...or if it did, might not otherwise have the backing to help it succeed.
chibik3r0 14th-Nov-2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
No, I agree. The Marvel movies have come a very long way since their beginnings. They definitely seem to be catering towards the male audience but they can't ignore the female fans forever and cast a strong, female lead movie. They seem to be the more rabid Marvel movie fans than men at least...
stoicana 14th-Nov-2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
I'm always so torn up about this idea that casting a female lead for a movie is catering to female fans. I feel like that does a disservice both to the women who watch these movies and love this franchise purely because of love of story or sci-fi regardless of the genders of the leads, and to the men who love the franchise and would probably watch the movies regardless of the gender of the lead.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I really do think that the majority of fans in this case would be more drawn in, or conversely turned off, by a good story and great movie potential than by the gender of the lead.

But maybe I'm just being horrendously optimistic about people...which is not like me, but whatever.
sunktheglow 15th-Nov-2012 12:11 am (UTC)
Accurate, but wasn't there something about a Nick Fury film with both of them in it which would explore their back story?
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