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First a "Vampire Hunter" now a Wrestler? Why President Lincoln you have lived 20 lives.

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Abraham Lincoln: president ... and wrestler?
BY ZACH LINDER

Can you imagine Abraham Lincoln in WWE? Picture it: Honest Abe, stovepipe hat and all, storming the ring with a World Championship over his shoulder, pyrotechnics blazing, ready to lay the smackdown on any WWE Superstar. OK, it might not have happened quite like that, but it has long been rumored that America’s very own 16th president was one of the finest professional wrestlers of his day. Noted wrestling historian Mike Chapman once told WWE of Lincoln’s wrestling exploits.

But was it myth? Folklore? Or did the man who united the nation also unite his fists with opponents’ jaws?

“It’s not mythology,” Lincoln expert Ronald C. White Jr. told WWE Classics. “Lincoln definitely wrestled.”

White is the author of The New York Times Best Seller, “A. Lincoln: A Biography” and spoke with WWE Classics about Honest Abe’s grappling history. “Lincoln had wrestling in his background,” White said. “His Uncle Mord reputably had real talent for it. Lincoln did quite a bit of wrestling during the years he lived in Indiana from ages 9 to 21.

But Lincoln’s most well-known match occurred after the future president arrived in New Salem, Ill., in 1831. Working as a clerk in Denton Offutt’s general store, Lincoln’s considerable size and strength caught some attention around town. “We know he was 6-foot, 4-inches,” White explained. “And if you know how small people were in the 19th century, today it would be like somebody 6-foot-10 walking into the room.” That’s right: More than 150 years before The Undertaker debuted in WWE, New Salem had its very own Phenom.

Something of a Bobby Heenan of his day, Offutt was so proud of his impressive employee that he began to claim Lincoln could easily manhandle anyone in the area. “Jack Armstrong was the leader of a local gang called The Clary’s Grove Boys,” White said. “They took their name from a small village about three miles from New Salem.” Armstrong got wind of Offutt’s claims and challenged Lincoln to a match.

The exact logistics are foggy. “It’s a little unclear as to how this match actually came about, but these boys were ready to challenge any newcomer,” White explained. “And Lincoln was a newcomer.” But Armstrong and his gang weren’t ready for the Ryback-like performance that Lincoln was prepared to execute at just 22-years-old.

Hype began to build around the upcoming confrontation between two competitors in their prime, a predecessor to Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant. “It may not have been publicized with posters,” White theorized. “But it was publicized by word of mouth 24 to 48 hours in advance of when the match actually took place. Word spread quickly and a lot of people came to watch this match between the champion [Armstrong], who was a few years older than Lincoln, and this new young fellow.”

But this match wasn’t in front of more than 90,000 fans in the Pontiac Silverdome. The bout likely took place near Offutt’s store. “It was in an opening in a grove of trees,” White said. “There would often be wrestling matches or political speeches in a clearing or grove of trees.”

Lincoln had the clear physical advantage in the match. “Armstrong was eight or 10 inches shorter, but had the reputation that he could lick anybody,” White said. When the match began, the gang leader struggled to keep up with the much larger Lincoln due to his much shorter reach. “They started out in various prescribed holds. They locked up and began to wrestle with a sequence of maneuvers.”

Various accounts have Armstrong sensing defeat and fouling Lincoln by tripping him — the equivalent to a low blow by today’s standards. Honest Abe, never one to break the rules, became incensed and used his long, powerful arms to grab his opponent by the neck and shake him vigorously like a rag doll. With The Clary’s Grove Boys backing up Armstrong, they began to corner Lincoln. Some say that Lincoln offered to take on each member of the gang, but their leader called off the bout instead. The competitors agreed on a draw and Armstrong proclaimed Lincoln to be, “the best fella that ever broke into this settlement.”

“It may have been under the rules that Lincoln would have won the match,” White explained. “But what really endeared Lincoln to this group of young men was that Lincoln didn’t want to win the match when he was obviously the stronger and better wrestler.” Instead, the two men agreed to simply shake hands out of respect. “It spoke volumes about the kind of person Lincoln became,” White said.

Lincoln had so much respect for his opponent that he and Armstrong became great friends. More than 25 years later, Armstrong’s son was on trial for murder. Like The Rock coming to the aid of Mick Foley, Lincoln acted as the attorney and the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.

Lincoln’s reputation as a strong and talented wrestler contributed to his early success as a politician. “He actually ran for Illinois state legislature the very next year in 1832,” White said. “He didn’t win, but in the immediate vicinity of New Salem, he won almost all the votes.” As Lincoln’s reputation grew, so did his success. “Two years later he ran again. There were 14 men on the ballot for four seats. Lincoln finished in second place among the 14.”

White concluded, “His reputation rose rapidly, and wrestling was part of that.”

Lincoln went on to become arguably the greatest United States president of all time. But if WWE had been around, Lincoln very well could have become the greatest Superstar of all time instead.

Ronald C. White, Jr. is currently writing a biography on Ulysses S. Grant. You can purchase The New York Times Best Seller “A. Lincoln” on Amazon by clicking here. His website is RonaldCWhiteJr.com.



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Poll #1878662 poll name
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 147

Lincoln questionare

View Answers
I have read "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter"
31 (8.8%)
Civil War- North
60 (17.0%)
Civil War- South
3 (0.8%)
I love his beard.
36 (10.2%)
Bringing sexy back. (It's in your head now you know it!)
33 (9.3%)
<3
29 (8.2%)
I love double double e
11 (3.1%)
CLICKEES!!
36 (10.2%)
History Nerd Right Up in Here.
64 (18.1%)
okbye.
50 (14.2%)
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piratesswoop 13th-Nov-2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
old news tbh
wigsnatcher 13th-Nov-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
OH NO HE DIDN'T



lol wut is this doing here
tigtogiba34 13th-Nov-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
I was going along reading my wrestling news and tra-la-la-ing and came across an article about President Lincoln and was like wuh? and decided to submit it for shits and giggles. There is after all a bio pic coming out this weekend so I see this as somewhat relevent.
wigsnatcher 13th-Nov-2012 07:12 pm (UTC)
oh okay
davejohn 13th-Nov-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
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loganx2 13th-Nov-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
as a history nerd Im just happy with all the different docs and shows on lincoln that are on tv now. Plus it means more Doris Kesrns Goodwin.
seriousfic 13th-Nov-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Like The Rock coming to the aid of Mick Foley, Lincoln acted as the attorney and the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.

Do they want me to imagine Lincoln getting tagged in and taking a folding chair to the heads of the witnesses for the prosecution? Because I am.
glittersecrecy 13th-Nov-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
your faves could never.
poop_of_death 13th-Nov-2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
LOL
evett 13th-Nov-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
If you smeeeeeeeeeellllllllll what The Lincoln is cooking
showmesara 13th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
bahahaha
buncha_cruncha 13th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
LMAO
vampireweekend 13th-Nov-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
i just wanted 2 fill out the poll
tigtogiba34 13th-Nov-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
most of my posts have polls :o)
anna_karenina_x 13th-Nov-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you for that
francesbcobain 13th-Nov-2012 07:33 pm (UTC)
Same. I fucking love polls.
milkchokolate 13th-Nov-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
que?
theblackwidow 13th-Nov-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
Somebody mentioned the USA would be much more advanced if the South seceded and slavery would slowly die out there. IDK wtf
pamelalillian 13th-Nov-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
industrial north vs agricultural south... righttt
lovebats 13th-Nov-2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
we will never know, but that assumption is highly delusional.
brucelynn 13th-Nov-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
Lincoln 3:16 says I just whooped your ass
poop_of_death 13th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
his signature move would be The Emancipator. Cue Vince McMahon dressed as John Wilkes Booth.
brucelynn 13th-Nov-2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
FUCKING DEAD!!!
brucelynn 13th-Nov-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
So OP are you going to wrestlemania next year?
tigtogiba34 13th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
Oh man I wish. I mean on the field where my Giants play?!!Unfortunately although I am a Republican I am not of the rich and cannot afford it. I'll be sitting in my room watching a stream online shhh don't tell the feds.
wingslapped 13th-Nov-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
lol. A while back, my library had a traveling Lincoln exhibit and hosted lectures on different aspects of his presidency. I liked that the lectures had a good balance between good and bad things about his views, actions, etc.
sexyvegeta 13th-Nov-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
andi88 13th-Nov-2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
lol what is this obsession with presidents riding random animals

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zharia 13th-Nov-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
yes good.
francesbcobain 13th-Nov-2012 07:32 pm (UTC)
I need this in my living room.
theratwhispers 13th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
RANDOM: I live in Illinois, so Lincoln is all over the place already. There are like who knows how many Lincoln Streets/Roads/etc.
poop_of_death 13th-Nov-2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
any.... LINCOLN PARKS?!

theratwhispers 13th-Nov-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
LMAO


I was at Lincoln Park Zoo just a few days ago. O_o
anna_karenina_x 13th-Nov-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
I'm a history nerd but not so much American history. Even though I'm American/ csb
tigtogiba34 13th-Nov-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
Oh same here in college I took courses mainly on Germany and Canada (Went to SUNY Plattsburgh), I hate when the US questions come up on Jeopardy and my Mom is like YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS and I'm like MOM I'm not a US History person. Cool story bro?
showmesara 13th-Nov-2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah I think it really has something to do with interest. I know more about American history because I found foreign history more interesting than my own country's
agatharuncible 13th-Nov-2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
I'm a history nerd too (though not american) and I just don't think that american history is that interesting... I recognise that it's important and all, but I just don't enjoy reading about it.
zharia 13th-Nov-2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
Me too. I loves me some Russian history way more.
mhfromnh 13th-Nov-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
same here. I got so bored with American history after about the 3rd time they made us learn it.
francesbcobain 13th-Nov-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
lol I barely know anything about American History and I'm American. oop at me slacking off during high school.
stephaniebrown 13th-Nov-2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
learning about US history for the first time durng my gcses was such a highlight, mainly because i was so damn sick of hearing about the edwardians/tudors/WW1/WW2 every single year.

russian history is pretty awesome too.
thishollywood 13th-Nov-2012 07:43 pm (UTC)
in school i always liked history class right up until it got to the 1700s. thats when we started talk about amurika & i didnt want to pay attn anymore
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