6:00 pm - 11/08/2012
YA Book Post abt YA Market Stuff and Dystopias
Could The Hunger Games get published today?
The Hunger Games helped to transform the landscape of publishing, convincing a ton of people that young adult novels could be important, serious books. It touched off a huge boom in books for teenagers about dystopian futures, and spawned a hit movie, with more on the way. In many ways, booklovers are living in the world Suzanne Collins built.
And yet, we can't help wondering: Could The Hunger Games get published, if it were submitted over the transom today?
We spent last weekend at the World Fantasy Convention in Toronto, and a lot of the most lively discussions were about young-adult novels. After all, YA is where the money is now — as well as much of the greatest excitement.
And we heard a lot of debate over just what you can get away with in a YA novel now — how much violence? How much foul language? Does a romance have to be front and center in a young-adult novel, for it to be commercial? What kinds of characters are people looking for in their YA books?
So we decided to ask some publishing professionals, including some top agents and editors, whether they think Hunger Games would be published if it came down the pike now. After all, few of the books that have come out in the post-Hunger Games wave have been nearly as violent, or as blatantly political, or have featured a protagonist as hard to love as Katniss Everdeen.
We offered people the chance to be quoted "on background," or anonymously — and notably, the people who didn't think Hunger Games could break through now were more eager to take us up on that option. In any case, here's what we found out:
The market is glutted with young adult dystopias
The main reason why Hunger Games might have a hard time today has nothing to do with violence, politics, or an unlikable protagonist, according to several people. Rather, it's just because there are too many dystopias out there now.
"Editors are 'dystopian-ed out,' and dystopian seems to be the kiss of death right now," says one agent who prefers not to be quoted by name. The Hunger Games wasn't by any means the first dystopian YA book, but it did help to spawn a feeding frenzy. "The success of The Hunger Games certainly inspired editors to be open to dystopian, and, now that many great (and not so great) dystopian books have been published, they're not looking for any more."</b>
Publishers have "woken up with a dystopian hangover" after a major binge, adds another top agent who didn't want to be named. They "seem to be flocking instead to more realistic fare, like John Green's The Fault in Our Stars. These cycles are routine and not surprising. The same thing happened with paranormal romance, vampires, etc."
"Selling a post apocalyptic or dystopian novel for teens right now, especially if it's by a debut author, is much more of an uphill battle," chimes in Suzie Townsend, an agent with New Leaf Literary and Media. "Most editors and publishing houses already have a number of these books on their list, and in fact bought sequels or even trilogies."
"I do think the YA market is very tough now if not impossible for novels that are girl or boy vs. corrupt government," says Sara Crowe, a literary agent with Harvey Klinger, Inc. And after the many, many dystopias that Hunger Games inspired, this book wouldn't have the same feeling of originality it had back when it first appeared. At the same time, the darkness in Hunger Games "would be less of an obstacle than when it was first bought."
Says Laurie McLean with Larsen Pomada Literary Agents, "I believe The Hunger Games might well be lost in a sea of YA dystopian thrillers today, especially if it followed a book like Divergent by Veronica Roth, which is better written with a more intricate and interesting story." She adds, "There's a lot to be said about being first in a new trend."
YA books are more like adventure fiction now
Two things have changed about young adult science fiction and fantasy in the past five years, according to publishing insiders: 1) Everybody is keenly aware that these things are being read by grown-ups, not just teens and tweens. 2) the books have become more like adventure fiction, and maybe a bit less introspective.
Samantha Shea, a literary agent with Georges Bourchardt, Inc., brings up a startling fact: some 55 percent of buyers of young adult novels are 18 or older. In fact, the biggest share of total sales goes to people aged 30-44. And these books aren't being bought as gifts for kids — 78 percent of them are for the adults' own reading.
And perhaps not coincidentally, there's been a shift away from "the more emotional YA books that dominated the market in the early 2000s," towards what Shea calls "more adventure-driven books." (Perhaps because publishers know adults are buying these books, to get the escapism that adult fiction refuses to provide?) Shea adds that the core of what readers are looking for from YA books hasn't changed: "interesting concepts, great writing, and well-developed characters."
As the market for young adult science fiction grows by leaps and bounds, the publishers are expanding their scope," says Crowe, and "blending more of the genre's elements, which is exciting." She adds, "Personally I'd also like to see more YA thrillers set in our world."
Good writing will always win out
Don't forget that Suzanne Collins had already written a successful series before Hunger Games, notes Crowe. And Hunger Games "is still one of the best thrillers on the market. Katniss still appeals" to readers.
Lucienne Diver, an agent with the Knight Agency, says:
I strongly believe that The Hunger Games would be published today. For one, it's a brilliant novel with amazing characterization. But for another, the themes are no less relevant: the difference between the haves and have nots, the politicians with (generally) such wealth and privilege making decisions that affect a larger part of the society with which they've lost touch and the dangers of such a dichotomy. Because The Hunger Games is set in a different world, one reminiscent of ours, but never identified as such, these political and socioeconomic themes can be explored in a way that doesn't point fingers or get anyone's back up but will hopefully lead to thought that will lead to action. Yes, dystopian fiction has hit its most recent peak, but it never really leaves us. Until we have a perfect society (and I shudder to think who would define "perfect") the dangers and ideas will continue to be incredibly relevant.
Adds Townsend:
The Hunger Games is an incredible novel, and Suzanne Collins is an excellent writer. I'm actually not sure that I know of anyone in the industry who didn't love that book. Even if it had been her debut novel, and even if it was being shopped right now, I do believe it would sell. It might have gotten some rejections, but I do believe it would still sell.
The book is violent and intense, the underlying political themes are easy to see, and Katniss at times (especially throughout the series) can seem a little unsympathetic, but I don't believe any of these aspects would deter an editor from buying the book. People love it because it's a great story. (The characters and the pacing made me willing to follow the series anywhere).
Kathleen Rushall, an agent with Marshal Lyon Literary Agency in Solana Beach, CA sums up what a lot of people were saying:
Hunger Games was published because it was a fresh, innovative plot with a killer voice. A book with those qualities is always in demand. Hunger Games pushed the YA envelope with its intensity and in that it didn't sugarcoat the teen vs. teen violence. A book that's very similar to Hunger Games may find obstacles getting published today, but that would most likely be because it wouldn't be seen as fresh enough now that so many dystopians are on the market, not necessarily because of a show of violence or oppression or political themes.
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Bonus:‘Warm Bodies’ trailer to premiere with ‘Breaking Dawn,’ fans at ‘Twilight’ premiere to see film this weekend
Zombie in a car!
Twilight fans who have grasped the last opportunity to attend a world premiere for their Saga will be able to see Summit’s upcoming book-to-film adaptation Warm Bodies this weekend.
Yes, three months ahead of its theatrical debut.
Summit began handing out passes for the Warm Bodies weekend screening to those who are camping at the Breaking Dawn – Part 2‘s premiere location in Los Angeles today. Tickets to be camping out in advance of Monday’s Twilight premiere, in order to get the best glimpse of the stars, were distributed over the past few weeks.
If you’re not one of those lucky fans, you’ll be pleased to know that the first trailer for Warm Bodies will be attached to Breaking Dawn – Part 2 in theaters beginning November 16. We presume it’ll make its online debut next week, and we’ll be sure to share it with you once it’s available. It joins The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones and The Host‘s trailers arriving with the final film in the Twilight Saga.
Warm Bodies opens in the United States on February 1, 2013. Hypable will be attending this weekend’s screening but won’t be able to provide a detailed review until next year.
The zombie story written by Isaac Marion follows R after he becomes “involved with the girlfriend of one of his victims. Their romance sets in motion a sequence of events that might transform the entire lifeless world,” reads the official synopsis. The film stars Teresa Palmer as Julie, Nicholas Hoult as R, Dave Franco as Perry Kelvin, John Malkovich as General Grigio, Analeigh Tipton as Nora, and Rob Corddry as M. See the film’s first poster.
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mods idgi I already included lj-cuts...
The Hunger Games helped to transform the landscape of publishing, convincing a ton of people that young adult novels could be important, serious books. It touched off a huge boom in books for teenagers about dystopian futures, and spawned a hit movie, with more on the way. In many ways, booklovers are living in the world Suzanne Collins built.
And yet, we can't help wondering: Could The Hunger Games get published, if it were submitted over the transom today?
We spent last weekend at the World Fantasy Convention in Toronto, and a lot of the most lively discussions were about young-adult novels. After all, YA is where the money is now — as well as much of the greatest excitement.
And we heard a lot of debate over just what you can get away with in a YA novel now — how much violence? How much foul language? Does a romance have to be front and center in a young-adult novel, for it to be commercial? What kinds of characters are people looking for in their YA books?
So we decided to ask some publishing professionals, including some top agents and editors, whether they think Hunger Games would be published if it came down the pike now. After all, few of the books that have come out in the post-Hunger Games wave have been nearly as violent, or as blatantly political, or have featured a protagonist as hard to love as Katniss Everdeen.
We offered people the chance to be quoted "on background," or anonymously — and notably, the people who didn't think Hunger Games could break through now were more eager to take us up on that option. In any case, here's what we found out:
The market is glutted with young adult dystopias
The main reason why Hunger Games might have a hard time today has nothing to do with violence, politics, or an unlikable protagonist, according to several people. Rather, it's just because there are too many dystopias out there now.
"Editors are 'dystopian-ed out,' and dystopian seems to be the kiss of death right now," says one agent who prefers not to be quoted by name. The Hunger Games wasn't by any means the first dystopian YA book, but it did help to spawn a feeding frenzy. "The success of The Hunger Games certainly inspired editors to be open to dystopian, and, now that many great (and not so great) dystopian books have been published, they're not looking for any more."</b>
Publishers have "woken up with a dystopian hangover" after a major binge, adds another top agent who didn't want to be named. They "seem to be flocking instead to more realistic fare, like John Green's The Fault in Our Stars. These cycles are routine and not surprising. The same thing happened with paranormal romance, vampires, etc."
"Selling a post apocalyptic or dystopian novel for teens right now, especially if it's by a debut author, is much more of an uphill battle," chimes in Suzie Townsend, an agent with New Leaf Literary and Media. "Most editors and publishing houses already have a number of these books on their list, and in fact bought sequels or even trilogies."
"I do think the YA market is very tough now if not impossible for novels that are girl or boy vs. corrupt government," says Sara Crowe, a literary agent with Harvey Klinger, Inc. And after the many, many dystopias that Hunger Games inspired, this book wouldn't have the same feeling of originality it had back when it first appeared. At the same time, the darkness in Hunger Games "would be less of an obstacle than when it was first bought."
Says Laurie McLean with Larsen Pomada Literary Agents, "I believe The Hunger Games might well be lost in a sea of YA dystopian thrillers today, especially if it followed a book like Divergent by Veronica Roth, which is better written with a more intricate and interesting story." She adds, "There's a lot to be said about being first in a new trend."
YA books are more like adventure fiction now
Two things have changed about young adult science fiction and fantasy in the past five years, according to publishing insiders: 1) Everybody is keenly aware that these things are being read by grown-ups, not just teens and tweens. 2) the books have become more like adventure fiction, and maybe a bit less introspective.
Samantha Shea, a literary agent with Georges Bourchardt, Inc., brings up a startling fact: some 55 percent of buyers of young adult novels are 18 or older. In fact, the biggest share of total sales goes to people aged 30-44. And these books aren't being bought as gifts for kids — 78 percent of them are for the adults' own reading.
And perhaps not coincidentally, there's been a shift away from "the more emotional YA books that dominated the market in the early 2000s," towards what Shea calls "more adventure-driven books." (Perhaps because publishers know adults are buying these books, to get the escapism that adult fiction refuses to provide?) Shea adds that the core of what readers are looking for from YA books hasn't changed: "interesting concepts, great writing, and well-developed characters."
As the market for young adult science fiction grows by leaps and bounds, the publishers are expanding their scope," says Crowe, and "blending more of the genre's elements, which is exciting." She adds, "Personally I'd also like to see more YA thrillers set in our world."
Good writing will always win out
Don't forget that Suzanne Collins had already written a successful series before Hunger Games, notes Crowe. And Hunger Games "is still one of the best thrillers on the market. Katniss still appeals" to readers.
Lucienne Diver, an agent with the Knight Agency, says:
I strongly believe that The Hunger Games would be published today. For one, it's a brilliant novel with amazing characterization. But for another, the themes are no less relevant: the difference between the haves and have nots, the politicians with (generally) such wealth and privilege making decisions that affect a larger part of the society with which they've lost touch and the dangers of such a dichotomy. Because The Hunger Games is set in a different world, one reminiscent of ours, but never identified as such, these political and socioeconomic themes can be explored in a way that doesn't point fingers or get anyone's back up but will hopefully lead to thought that will lead to action. Yes, dystopian fiction has hit its most recent peak, but it never really leaves us. Until we have a perfect society (and I shudder to think who would define "perfect") the dangers and ideas will continue to be incredibly relevant.
Adds Townsend:
The Hunger Games is an incredible novel, and Suzanne Collins is an excellent writer. I'm actually not sure that I know of anyone in the industry who didn't love that book. Even if it had been her debut novel, and even if it was being shopped right now, I do believe it would sell. It might have gotten some rejections, but I do believe it would still sell.
The book is violent and intense, the underlying political themes are easy to see, and Katniss at times (especially throughout the series) can seem a little unsympathetic, but I don't believe any of these aspects would deter an editor from buying the book. People love it because it's a great story. (The characters and the pacing made me willing to follow the series anywhere).
Kathleen Rushall, an agent with Marshal Lyon Literary Agency in Solana Beach, CA sums up what a lot of people were saying:
Hunger Games was published because it was a fresh, innovative plot with a killer voice. A book with those qualities is always in demand. Hunger Games pushed the YA envelope with its intensity and in that it didn't sugarcoat the teen vs. teen violence. A book that's very similar to Hunger Games may find obstacles getting published today, but that would most likely be because it wouldn't be seen as fresh enough now that so many dystopians are on the market, not necessarily because of a show of violence or oppression or political themes.
source
Bonus:‘Warm Bodies’ trailer to premiere with ‘Breaking Dawn,’ fans at ‘Twilight’ premiere to see film this weekend
Twilight fans who have grasped the last opportunity to attend a world premiere for their Saga will be able to see Summit’s upcoming book-to-film adaptation Warm Bodies this weekend.
Yes, three months ahead of its theatrical debut.
Summit began handing out passes for the Warm Bodies weekend screening to those who are camping at the Breaking Dawn – Part 2‘s premiere location in Los Angeles today. Tickets to be camping out in advance of Monday’s Twilight premiere, in order to get the best glimpse of the stars, were distributed over the past few weeks.
If you’re not one of those lucky fans, you’ll be pleased to know that the first trailer for Warm Bodies will be attached to Breaking Dawn – Part 2 in theaters beginning November 16. We presume it’ll make its online debut next week, and we’ll be sure to share it with you once it’s available. It joins The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones and The Host‘s trailers arriving with the final film in the Twilight Saga.
Warm Bodies opens in the United States on February 1, 2013. Hypable will be attending this weekend’s screening but won’t be able to provide a detailed review until next year.
The zombie story written by Isaac Marion follows R after he becomes “involved with the girlfriend of one of his victims. Their romance sets in motion a sequence of events that might transform the entire lifeless world,” reads the official synopsis. The film stars Teresa Palmer as Julie, Nicholas Hoult as R, Dave Franco as Perry Kelvin, John Malkovich as General Grigio, Analeigh Tipton as Nora, and Rob Corddry as M. See the film’s first poster.
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mods idgi I already included lj-cuts...
Also, I'd read the first couple of chapters of BNW, and really enjoyed it. But, I had to return the book to a friend and I haven't finished it since (and that was like 6 years ago, lmao).
I'm reading two books right now, then I'm going to start The Hobbit again...then Brave New World, lmao.
bnw is amaze, I read it and wrote a book report on it in hs, def prefer it over 1984 (even though that was also v good)
when it comes to reading books before the movie comes out I've learned that it's much better for me to avoid it, that way I'm not super disappointed at all the changes they make for film. I'm such a purist but I can't help it, harry potter ruined me
Urgh, so many books I want to read and I'm not even really enjoying the two that I'm reading, lmao.
what books r u reading?
The Sketchbook is particularly bad. In between the stories (which are admittedly really good), there's long colloquys on morality, etc. It's maddening.
I'm jealous of your willpower, you go through a lot of heavy-seeming books and I can barely make it through rly good fiction/fantasy books
I attempted oliver twist once and never. again.
I do want to finish dracula and reread the three musketeers though.
It sounds like such an asshole thing to say, but I have a really large vocabulary and I like to exercise it. Young adult books in particular just can't hold my attention long enough; I flip through them in 2-3 days.
Sometimes though...I end up slogging through a book because it is a 'Classic author' and it ends up being fucking terrible or just drab as fuck....Oliver Twist is a good example of that.
Dracula is frustrating if you're not into classics, but I promise you it gets better. The first 400 pages are pretty slow, but the last 200 are REALLY exciting and an excellent read.
I started dracula last year and was getting really into it (I left off right where it switches to mina's pov I believe?) and then I left it in a friend's car and never got back into it ahah. c'est la vie.
I haven't read ASOIAF, how are they? (it's a series right?)
asoiaf is so good omg. like the style is nothing special (although it's not bad by any means) but the world building and character development is brilliant. there's so much going on plot and character wise and a bunch of different aspects to hold your attention (politics, fantasy stuff, loads of identity arcs, etc) and it's very unpredictable. the author makes a point to take typical fantasy tropes and turn them on their heads and it's great. you should check them out ;)
/end stanning
or you can download them off the internethaving an ebook has made me a sinful heathen