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10:09 am - 11/08/2012

Margaret Cho talks feminism


Why am I a feminist? I just am, and I haven’t really questioned it.

There are always women who like to say they are not feminists -- famous, successful, courageous and powerful woman at that(!) -- but, then, those women who say that have made their voices heard across the globe, over time, loudly and clearly, and that probably couldn’t have happened without a great deal of help from feminism, and I guess technology.

When I was a young girl, I never heard about feminism, even though it was at its height and heyday, when women burned their bras and parted their hair in the middle and called out for revolution. They read books about it with bubbly fonts on the cover. They started collectives where they would teach each other how to care for their bodies. They spent almost all their time learning to not be afraid.


After awhile, they were no longer afraid, but just burning up with anger, so much that they had to set their bras on fire. They had to show how much patriarchy had hurt them, and all women. This was courageous and exciting; I am sure if I were there I would have wept with joy and rage.

I wish I had been able to participate in this. I can only read about it now, wondering how much was lost to biased reports and people not getting it.

It would have been a struggle for me to burn my bra, though. I love lingerie, and bras are my favorite. The lacy architecture is a tribute to the beauty of women’s bodies. Bras, for me, have never been about anyone else but me, and maybe that is the patriarchy working within me, but I have always liked bras and I kind of don’t care why. Not a girdle though. That is straight-up torture if you ask me. Boobs up, belly out –- that is my motto.

There are some things that are attributed to feminism that I don’t believe are inherent to it, like puritanical attitudes toward sex and a general distrust of the trappings of stereotypical, idealized beauty. A feminist may or may not feel these things. We are all different, as women are different.

All I know is that as a woman, in my work, and in my life, I have been treated as if my achievements were less valuable because they were borne from my body. I only know this because I have worked closely, been intimate with, risen and fallen with men of all kinds. I have done the same with women of all kinds –- and my assessment, of all the humanity I have experienced: Women get the short end of it.

So therefore, my feminism -- it’s kind of necessary. I don’t want to feel like I am less than anyone, and so I have to label myself in order to be ready for the fight.

I don’t want young girls to fear the word feminism, because they will desperately need it out in the world, and to fear what will help you, make you stronger, better, happier -– it makes no sense.

Sometimes women say they are not feminist in order to be closer to men, to side with men, to be one of the "guys," but I think being feminist, and therefore calling yourself equal to men is the truer, more sincere way of being closer to men, because you are telling men that they don’t have to do everything anymore, that you will gladly split the burden of the earth, which weighs on us all, regardless of how our bodies are made.



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fashionbabylon 8th-Nov-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
my flawless queen
superdogbiter 8th-Nov-2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
she's cool
onyxobsidian 8th-Nov-2012 06:20 pm (UTC)
It's weird how when she lost the weight, her comedy took a plummet too. I dunno if one has to do with the other...
redaodai 8th-Nov-2012 06:21 pm (UTC)
Her funniest stand-up for me was probably her I'm the One That I Want. Notorious CHO was okay, but not as good. And I never bothered with her stuff after that.
ani_di_franco 8th-Nov-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
When I'm really high I will tell my boyfriend that I am thinking about flat-ironing Chewbacca.
stoicana 8th-Nov-2012 06:22 pm (UTC)
Correlation does not imply causality.
imnotasquirrel 8th-Nov-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
it was really awesome feminism when she and amanda palmer pretended to rape katy perry on stage.
vampireweekend 8th-Nov-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
oop i came to say the same thing
lestat 8th-Nov-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
amanda palmer is a racist douchewad anyway so
imnotasquirrel 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
sure, but i would have expected more from margaret. unless she also has a past history of being an ass and i've just been unaware of it.
sandvich 8th-Nov-2012 06:28 pm (UTC)
What?!
redaodai 8th-Nov-2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
Oh my, I never heard about that. I stopped being a fan of hers years and years ago so I never paid attention to her antics anymore.
roguewave3 8th-Nov-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
I remember when that happened I was younger and I didn't think I grasped how fucked up it was. The video I saw of it I couldn't hear much of what was going on. Amanda has to big one of the biggest disappoints to me. I used to love her but now realize how awful she is. Also, she never takes responsibility for her actions. She just goes on about no "getting" her. She is too old for that shit.
daddyissues 8th-Nov-2012 06:37 pm (UTC)
wtf
deja_vu822 8th-Nov-2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
omg what
shining_starsxx 8th-Nov-2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
Mte.
vidriodeperlas 8th-Nov-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
seriously, fuck her
endingonfire 8th-Nov-2012 09:00 pm (UTC)
Amanda Palmer is an ableist so I'm really not surprised she would pull that shit. Pissed that Margaret would too.
leaf_collector 8th-Nov-2012 10:11 pm (UTC)
dayum, i never knew :( how gross.
elementalamber 9th-Nov-2012 01:09 am (UTC)
Came in to say exactly this.
devetu 8th-Nov-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
i identified as a feminist for a long time, but i've been struggling with it lately.

"because you are telling men that they don’t have to do everything anymore, that you will gladly split the burden of the earth"

what the fuck is this sentence??? women already do the vast majority of the work on this planet already.
wristtattoos 8th-Nov-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
Women can't serve on the front lines of combat in the US...

Edited at 2012-11-08 06:24 pm (UTC)
tobesurrounded 8th-Nov-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
out of curiosity, why are you struggling with it?
devetu 8th-Nov-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
i'm a woc.
kalie_m 8th-Nov-2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
I will always identify as a feminist but I will always have major problems with a lot of the people involved and some of the bullshit they spew.
roguewave3 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
I guess I used to but as a WOC I'm weary of feminism in general. As a concept I'm here for it every woman should be but the movement itself has no room for me.
between_lights 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but why have you been struggling with your feminist identification, if you don't mind me asking?
_xxtom 8th-Nov-2012 06:37 pm (UTC)
I'm doing an essay on the feminist problem in Hinduism and it's really interesting. A lot of Hindu women talk about how feminism is such a westernized movement that doesn't give a shit about their way of life, religion, lifestyle etc. Some Hindu women talked about women/men coming from the west and not even attempting to learn about their lifestyle and can't comprehend that life for a white woman in New York is fucking different. So some women are like 'yah we want men and women to be equal but im not identifying with that movement because it doesnt identify with me'.
And I totally get that.
cringinglove 8th-Nov-2012 07:48 pm (UTC)
that sentence is a fucking mess and completely contradicts everything before it. so feminism is women FINALLY picking up the slack, then?? i just..

i also think the "i just am and haven't really questioned it" is problematic - i mean, inherently i believe, with extreme conviction, in fighting for women's rights and against the patriarchy and rape culture, but feminism as a movement is flawed in many respects and requires constant questioning for those things to improve
wristtattoos 8th-Nov-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
Margaret Cho is flawless.
kalie_m 8th-Nov-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
I don't want someone who pretends to rape a woman on stage to tell me about feminism, tbfh.
riruka 8th-Nov-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
see, this is why i don't like saying i'm a feminist. it's such a loaded term and there's always going to be someone there to argue that you're not a feminist

and it's always a woman
vampireweekend 8th-Nov-2012 06:33 pm (UTC)
ok so you're basically ok with the two self-identified feminists stimulating rape on ANOTHER WOMAN
kalie_m 8th-Nov-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
I don't understand, you don't want to call yourself a feminist because you don't want someone to tell you you are a bad feminist/not a feminist at all because you pretended to rape someone?

and it's always a woman
I don't understand this sentence at all.
mynamehere07 8th-Nov-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
I don’t want young girls to fear the word feminism, because they will desperately need it out in the world, and to fear what will help you, make you stronger, better, happier -– it makes no sense.

This needs to be sent out to the Taylor Swifts and Kelly Clarksons of the world who are scared to call themselves "feminists."
redaodai 8th-Nov-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
I own this series on DVD. It's not that great even by '90s sitcom standards, but it was like $5.

imnotasquirrel 8th-Nov-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
haha, my family and i used to watch it together every week just because we were so excited that there was actually a show about korean-americans on television. we blissfully ignored the fact that the series was crap. hell, full house was better, and that's even when you take into consideration that full house featured the spawn of satan aka michelle.
redaodai 8th-Nov-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it was awful (and makes me think this is why we will probably never see another all Asian sitcom on TV soon... well, at least not in the USA). It had a good cast, which was wasted on the terrible material. And hearing all the drama behind the scenes between ABC and Cho was sad.
fwee_prower 8th-Nov-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
ABC fucked it up.
fight4thislove 8th-Nov-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
IT'S ON DVD?!?!? *runs to amazon*
vampireweekend 8th-Nov-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
i love this article but yeah i remember that stunt she pulled with amanda palmer and it was def NAGL for feminism
stoicana 8th-Nov-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
"I don’t want young girls to fear the word feminism, because they will desperately need it out in the world, and to fear what will help you, make you stronger, better, happier -– it makes no sense."

Feminism is a word that needs to be taken back from the people who have turned it into a derogatory term. It makes me so fucking angry when someone calls me a feminist as if I have something to be ashamed of.
vampireweekend 8th-Nov-2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
i had to spend over an hour explaining to my mom why me being a feminist doesn't mean i hate men and want a world without them
stoicana 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
Right? Man-hating feminist jokes are the fucking worst. Everyone laughs and I'm just, "NO. Although the more you make those jokes, the more I want to punch you in the throat which is not a feeling I had before you started behaving like an ignorant ass."
tobesurrounded 8th-Nov-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
dude ita. people say it like it's some sort of vile thing. the definition for the word feminism is basically "a belief in equality between men and women" but so many people seem not to grasp that.

Edited at 2012-11-08 06:28 pm (UTC)
mhfromnh 8th-Nov-2012 06:36 pm (UTC)
PREACH HALLELUJAH AMEN SISTER
gee 8th-Nov-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
I thought bra burning was a myth....
lestat 8th-Nov-2012 06:28 pm (UTC)
it is.
kalie_m 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the women who supposedly stared the bar burning trend said they wanted to burn their bras but couldn't get a permit for it, so they just collected bras but didn't burn them.
anolinde 8th-Nov-2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
Yup, that's what I learned in the feminism class I'm taking now.
kalie_m 8th-Nov-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
*bra burning trend
between_lights 8th-Nov-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
not really a myth, per se, but WAYYYY less commonplace than people made it out to be in the movement.
mhfromnh 8th-Nov-2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
I'm fairly certain it did happen, and that there is photographic evidence, but I doubt it was common. afterall, no bras would mean more back pain.
brucelynn 8th-Nov-2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
OP it's Se7en's bday ^___^

Edited at 2012-11-08 06:29 pm (UTC)
wonderwomanhero 8th-Nov-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
daddyissues 8th-Nov-2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
fuck feminism
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