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did taylor swift "steal" lyrics from another artist?

i saw some buzz on twitter shortly after taylor swift's new album "red" came out. in her new song "all too well", she has pretty much an exact lyric from a song by singer-songwriter matt nathanson called "i saw" that was on the album "beneath these fireworks" released back in 2003.

COMPARISON

Taylor Swift's song "All Too Well" - 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRXP0Whtlgg
2:13-2:24 "and i forget about you long enough to forget why i needed to"

Matt Nathanson's song "I Saw" - 2003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTh_b6keips
1:44-1:50 "and i'll forget about you long enough to forget why i need to"



MATT'S THOUGHTS

as for matt nathanson's perspective, here is his (now deleted) tweet that one can assume is about taylor:





MY THOUGHTS

tbh i wouldn't think much about it normally except for the fact that she is a fan of his...she has written HIS lyrics on her arm at her concerts before:

july 20, 2011 http://www.taylorswiftarmlyrics.com/july20.html
march 6, 2012 http://www.taylorswiftarmlyrics.com/mar6_12.html


WHAT TWITTER IS SAYING







what do you think, ontd? is this a coincidence? is it "stealing" but nbd?


source:
my eyes on twitter
my ears listening to the songs
matt nathanson's twitter
here is the link to the cached tweet (he deleted it)
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bananasnrum 2nd-Nov-2012 03:41 am (UTC)
did she date him
darlingdont 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
mte.
snuffyqui45 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
mte
nick_halden 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
haha he's been married for a while. i hope not!
jinnycalderone 2nd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
lolololololol irl.
brucelynn 2nd-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
Lmao
vivisexion 2nd-Nov-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
loooooool mte
hawaii_bombay 2nd-Nov-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
LOL
threeatatimejay 2nd-Nov-2012 05:59 am (UTC)
LOOOOOOOOOOL.
freeze_i_say 2nd-Nov-2012 08:18 am (UTC)
lolloll
trex_in_boots 2nd-Nov-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
nearly spat out my coffee when I read this.
krisgonn 2nd-Nov-2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
LOL
rocknrollroots 2nd-Nov-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
LMAO A+
autumn1234 2nd-Nov-2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
lmfao mte
in_styles 4th-Nov-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
lol oop
mikeblitzz 2nd-Nov-2012 03:41 am (UTC)
DAMN, that's like word for word. Doesn't really seem like a coincidence tbh.
nick_halden 2nd-Nov-2012 03:41 am (UTC)
I <3 Matt Nathanson
tadashee 2nd-Nov-2012 05:03 am (UTC)
lol. today there was a picture of romney listening to his ipod and the caption was romney jamming out. he actually looked like he was sleeping. bet he was listening to t. swift
solyma 2nd-Nov-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
me too <3
angel_bunny 2nd-Nov-2012 03:41 am (UTC)
I love Matt Nathanson, and that is all. /csb
solyma 2nd-Nov-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
me too :)
rebeccamars 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
Hasn't she been accused of this before?
delicious_pocky 2nd-Nov-2012 04:37 am (UTC)
yeah. you belong with me and that saving jane song.
unchoco 2nd-Nov-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
Same with "Better Than Revenge" and "Misery Business" by Paramore.
robinsparkle 2nd-Nov-2012 06:33 am (UTC)
But she's good friends with the chick from Paramore

edit: but what are the similarities? I wanna go check it out now lol

Edited at 2012-11-02 06:36 am (UTC)
batty_gal 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
uh oh
jinnycalderone 2nd-Nov-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
ohh shit!!
astrofisica 2nd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
If she's a fan, why would this be considered thievery instead of a homage/reference?
jinnycalderone 2nd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
cuz, she didnt credit him, im assuming.
distant_lines 2nd-Nov-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
Cause she makes money off of the song and he doesn't.
astrofisica 2nd-Nov-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
So? Artists, writers, poetics etc all reference their favs like such all the time without paying.
ms_mmelissa 2nd-Nov-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
MTE. If it's one line then it's more like an homage you're supposed to pick up on and think "Oh, cool!"

(people need to go back to English literature classes)
indignantindigo 2nd-Nov-2012 04:19 am (UTC)
It really doesn't sound like a homage.
the_pinkdress 2nd-Nov-2012 04:22 am (UTC)
homages and references are generally to something iconic or something that is symbolic of the thing you're referencing. also, it was integrated into her song, as part of the story in the lyrics, so it wasn't like it fit as a reference.
mrcelebrity 2nd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
Who cares. Taylor is making him relevant again.
licorrice 2nd-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
lol yeah let's just excuse blatant plagiarism because he'll get noticed for it for five seconds...smh
tadashee 2nd-Nov-2012 04:49 am (UTC)
well said.
bienenkiste 2nd-Nov-2012 09:42 am (UTC)
mte.
reidacted 2nd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
Nagl, Taylor.
isntdaveone 2nd-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
SCUMBAG!
tadashee 2nd-Nov-2012 04:51 am (UTC)
matt or taylor? i've missed your real housewives posts, btw! i need to start miami! is the 1st season worth watching, or should i start with this season?
isntdaveone 2nd-Nov-2012 04:57 am (UTC)
DON'T WATCH SEASON 1!

it's not essential to get to know the girls and the plots don't continue into season 2.

plus 3 of the originals were replaced by 4 new ones.
shelostcontro1 2nd-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
that's a pretty basic saying though
musicnextdoor 2nd-Nov-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
exactly.

It's not unique or the sort of thing that would be unlikely to come to a lot of people on their own, and the songs don't sound alike.
shelostcontro1 2nd-Nov-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
imagine if every country artist sued everyone who mentioned whiskey and porches in the same manner they did
watch_mex0x0 2nd-Nov-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
ikr?
karrixftw 2nd-Nov-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
mte.
arabian 2nd-Nov-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
Thank you. It's a basic concept and she worded it her way. And it's ONE LINE out of how many songs this girl has written? Geez, the hate for her is just getting to ridiculous levels now.
vivisexion 2nd-Nov-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
mte
brandon198403 2nd-Nov-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
lol mte, people will grasp at anything good lord
hearthecity 2nd-Nov-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
lol it is.
samrockwell 2nd-Nov-2012 04:01 am (UTC)
mte
whossoulsister 2nd-Nov-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
mte
happy_endings11 2nd-Nov-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Thank you. That one line is stealing? Are they kidding me? I'm pretty sure if we googled it there are a million songs that have a line just like or similar to that. It's not unique in any way...
redleigh86 2nd-Nov-2012 05:04 am (UTC)
I'm not a fan of hers, but this was my first thought. As if he was the first person ever to say that? lol, I really don't think so. It's so cliche it shouldn't even be a thing.
devourlove 2nd-Nov-2012 05:36 am (UTC)
very true. that line certainly wasn't that unique, imo. idk if that matters on the subject of potential plagerism, though.
msroyalt 2nd-Nov-2012 05:47 am (UTC)
I don;t like her but I agree 100%, this could def be coincidence
nationalboner 2nd-Nov-2012 05:56 am (UTC)
Really? I've never heard anyone use it before...
threeatatimejay 2nd-Nov-2012 06:04 am (UTC)
TBH, I agree.
hoot 2nd-Nov-2012 12:12 pm (UTC)
I think they both plagiarized it from a 14 year old girl's tumblr tbh.
luvthatdrtywata 2nd-Nov-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
not in those exact words though, c'mon.
alessar 2nd-Nov-2012 03:06 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. It's like saying "I'm over you" is someone's intellectual first. There's nothing special there, no unique turn of phrase that would be memorable. If someone took a really unique line like "not my circus, not my monkeys" (which is the literal translation of the common Polish way of saying 'not my problem', by the way) then that would be something.
goldenlockets 2nd-Nov-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
that was my thought as well...
francesbcobain 2nd-Nov-2012 10:53 pm (UTC)
mte
camerafool 2nd-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
For crying out loud the phrase isn't exactly unique.
innocentanalyst 2nd-Nov-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
lol seriously.
chantalzola 2nd-Nov-2012 03:49 am (UTC)
This.
_xxtom 2nd-Nov-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
mte.
delicious_pocky 2nd-Nov-2012 04:44 am (UTC)
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=%22forget+about+you+long+enough+to+forget%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

according to google it was used twice. in both those songs. so i guess it is obvious but its also somewhat unique.
toilandblood 2nd-Nov-2012 06:50 am (UTC)
mte
superhetoric 2nd-Nov-2012 06:51 am (UTC)
it's not that great or profound, sure. but if she's referenced herself as a fan of his, that's pretty blatant. imitation and inspiration are two totally different things. it takes talent and cleverness to make the leap from one to the other. any person who works on creative projects knows how frustrating this shit can be. even if it's something simple, like a simple shape you use in paintings or a single turn of phrase you used in a short story, it is a slap in the face when someone decides to start copying you, as if no one would notice it.
solyma 2nd-Nov-2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
agreed!
magicuddle 2nd-Nov-2012 10:25 am (UTC)
I'd never heard it before in movies, from my friends, in novels, or songs (I don't listen to Matt Nathanson). So...I kind of disagree. The phrase doesn't even make much sense to me tbh.
whitegirlmob 2nd-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
Eh, he should be flattered. She'll take that line much further than he ever will.
hey_kayla_jay 2nd-Nov-2012 06:59 am (UTC)
Unfortunately.
guitarstrings 2nd-Nov-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
I tried really hard to like this comment, but alas not on FB. It's a crying shame, because he's so freaking talented
riruka 2nd-Nov-2012 08:19 am (UTC)
yeah, people should be grateful for being robbed, as long as they are making better use of what they took then it should be a compliment
u_chai 2nd-Nov-2012 10:22 am (UTC)
Yay, you're giving plagiarists a boost of confidence.
callmemaybeplz 2nd-Nov-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
More like homage to his song since she's a fan tbh
rabbitncavylove 2nd-Nov-2012 05:01 am (UTC)
but she doesn't reference him or his song in hers
theonlykow 2nd-Nov-2012 07:39 am (UTC)
That's not how an homage works. You have to recontextualize or repurpose a lyric within a new work, not just say the same dozen words.
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