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High School considers banning a Stephen King book over a rape scene

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Rocklin High School is considering banning a book from its library due to a graphic scene.

“Different Seasons” is a collection of four Stephen King stories including the well known “Shawshank Redemption” and “Stand By Me.” But the page and a half graphic scene in “Apt Pupil” is what could get the whole book banned from Rocklin school libraries.

“Basically they’re judging entire book on one story,” said Amanda Wong.


Rocklin High School senior Wong is outraged her high school pulled the book after a parent complained.

“I thought it was completely wrong of them to do that. I was really upset,” said Wong.

The school pulled the book off its library shelves after a school committee decided a detailed description of rape in “Apt Pupil” was too much for students.

“Although I understand this parent’s concerns, I wouldn’t want my little brother readying this. I don’t believe it’s the school’s right to take entire book out of library just over that,” said Wong.

Wong was also on that committee and was the only one opposed to pulling the book. She was outnumbered, but it didn’t stop her from being outspoken, especially because she’s the only one who read the entire thing.

“The instant you do such an action, it opens a big door up. A door where, what will we be banning next,” said Wong.

She decided to take her concerns to the school board meeting, where she made a plea to board members to take another look.

“It should be up to parents and students to make this decision on whether they want to read it, not the district or school,” said Wong.

The book is back on shelves while a district committee looks at a possible ban.

“Whether it gets banned or not, I’m happy people know,” said Wong.

The first meeting is Tuesday, and they have 30 days to make a decision.

CBS13 reached out to Stephen King about the ban.

“They stand with Amanda Wong on the issue and admire her principled and passionate plea. We hope she and those who share her views are not disappointed,” King’s agent said.


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ceilidh_ann 13th-Oct-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
Freedom of speech! Except for stuff we don't like! Think of the children!
niklaus 13th-Oct-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
ugh goddamned book ban-ers. fucking parents need to parent their own fucking kids instead of everyone else's.

i'm happy my parents let me read whatever i wanted, even though they disapproved of gore-y/racy stuff.

Edited at 2012-10-13 02:40 pm (UTC)
demented_21 13th-Oct-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
ikr? I'm an avid reader and so are my parents (my bro is the only one who didn't get the memo, apparently) and I can honestly say that they've never once told me I wasn't allowed to read a book. When I was little we'd go to an awesome lil' bookstore owned by an awesome old man and my mom and I would talk to him about what I liked reading and he'd recommend books for me (I will forever remember him for getting me to read From the Earth to the Moon when I was about 9. He changed my life, I've been a sci-fi fan ever since), and my parents themselves recommended books for me as well. But these were suggestions to help me out (there was no internet back them to find similar authors etc, lol), not orders.

As I got older I started choosing more books on my own and my parents never once stopped me. In fact, when I was about 15 they started recommending some more adult/imappropriate books (some of their faves which they couldn't talk about when I was younger, lol). And I was (and still am) really into horror fiction so they would have reasons to ban some books tbh.

So book banning to me is just incomprehensible.
niklaus 13th-Oct-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
awww that's awesome of your parents. <3

both of my parents are way into reading too (my dad's way into non-fiction/history and my mom's all over the fiction genres). when i was little, and even now lol, my mom would read a lot of the books i brought home just to check out what i was into and she lmao really hated the gore-y horror stuff i adore (she just thinks it's gross), but never once tried to stop me from reading them. <3
ditiswritten 13th-Oct-2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
This! Books were a very important thing in our house when I was growing up (and still are) so my parents never told me not to read something.
parisdiorchanel 13th-Oct-2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
But parenting is hard, Niklaus!
thegreenstage 13th-Oct-2012 03:33 pm (UTC)
parents need to parent their own fucking kids instead of everyone else's.

EXACTLY.

As soon as I could read on my own my parents let me take whatever I wanted off the shelves and read it. Of everything they did for me that's the single one I remain most grateful for.
browniecakemix 13th-Oct-2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
The only books my parents (well, my mom) ever forbade me from reading were the Junie B. Jones series because they were intentionally written with poor grammar lol.
kansassatin 13th-Oct-2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
My dad didn't like me reading stuff HE thought was scary but he certainly didn't stop me. I'm happy he gavee his input like, "Oh that's too scary/gory/violent and I don't like you reading it but I can't stop you." I learned what my own boundaries were very quickly.
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
i don't see why ppl don't see that books with sensitive~ topics are a good jumpoff for discussing stuff with your kids. my first "sex" talk with my mom was about being vigilant about sexual abuse after reading chicken soup for the kids soul.

the whole "talking about this stuff makes me uncomfortable" pisses me the fuck off. we're all human beings, like isn't a technicolor film of rainbows and bunnies.
trex_in_boots 13th-Oct-2012 05:33 pm (UTC)
Right?! My parents were the same way, my brother and I grew up reading whatever we wanted to really expand our imaginations.
pretend_to_care 14th-Oct-2012 12:26 am (UTC)
I love this comment! I am a librarian, and it makes me sad to see how many self-righteous parents we get that want us to remove books with the whole "BUT WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!" bit. Shut the fuck up and worry about your own goddamned kids.
demented_21 Story time13th-Oct-2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
When I was about 15, in our English class (I'm Greek by the way) we were supposed to read an English language teaching book with a collection of gothic short stories. It was a proper, official study book appropriate for our comprehension level and age, with exercises and a teacher's companion and shit, it was legit.

I was all psyched about it, finally studying material I could get excited about, writing fun essays for once etc, and then our teacher was like "oop, turns out we can't do that, back to the normal books it is". Apparently, a parent who did not even speak English complained to the school principle because on the cover of that book there was a "scary-looking candlestick holder".

No, really. Because our precious 15-year-old souls could not deal with that. Yeah.

For the record, reading that book (because of course I read it) was the first time I came across The Monkey's Paw. It was awesome.

/csb
sandstorm Re: Story time13th-Oct-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
I am very curious as to what this book cover looks like, and how frightening this candlestick holder is.
demented_21 Re: Story time13th-Oct-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
I've been trying to google it but I'm having no luck. It was a gothic-style drawing that seemed pretty basic to me at the time. Again, the book was official so it wasn't some horrifying suggestive image, it was a decent, high school-appropriate picture. Sigh.
demented_21 Re: Story time13th-Oct-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
lmao @ principle tho, omg
dubiously 13th-Oct-2012 04:43 pm (UTC)
Ugh honesty who are these people who come out of nowhere thinking they are qualified to tell everyone else what to do/think/feel? Narcissists lbr.
hobnailedboots 13th-Oct-2012 02:49 pm (UTC)
James Caan! <3

Banning books is bullshit. Even 50 Shades shouldn't be banned (though whether it should have been published in the first place is debatable...).
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
lol sadly i have to agree, can't ban it. hmm if i had a kid, i would seriously point them in the direction of good erotica, bc i can't with the terribleness if it all.
demented_21 13th-Oct-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
Just tell them she watched Kindergarten Cop.

But srsly I do not get these people. Stuff like that makes my blood boil, I can only imagine how you feel. Ugh.
ginger_maya 13th-Oct-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
...And some communities deliberately try to teach their children such words so they'd be able to communicate it to their parents if they were molested. Oh, the irony.
alkalinecupcake 13th-Oct-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
seriously? what is wrong with these parents? sheesh.
lovedhurtlost 13th-Oct-2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
Omggg, I would've had to cuss a bitch out.
parisdiorchanel 13th-Oct-2012 03:29 pm (UTC)
omfg I'm so sorry. That's ridiculous.
brightstarmara 13th-Oct-2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
Well, damned. Shame on her for wanted to how to spell.

And I think it's a good thing you are teaching your kids the right words. A penis is a penis is a penis.
__nocturna 13th-Oct-2012 03:55 pm (UTC)
Wow, this story makes me so angry. I can't believe some people are so dumb.
false_hate 13th-Oct-2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
knows too much and hopes she wasn't molested because she knows proper terminology

JFC, how incredibly inappropriate and false.
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
lol wat

idk how i didn't get in trouble for that bc i got full access to my dad's textbooks on human development. uncensored pic of a vaginal delivery? i was in 6th grade and wrote some horror story based on the facts i found in there.

thank you for teaching your child properly and not shielding her from the facts of life and instilling body shaming in her. ugh, this is why i refuse to work with older grades bc i don't support not telling kids the age appropriate truth!

also, do these parents not think their kids can just go to wikipedia and type in penis or vagina and get the full rundown? i would rather the dictionary!

Edited at 2012-10-13 04:44 pm (UTC)
yousaidlog 13th-Oct-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
'Apt Pupil' disturbed me so much. I forget what the rape scene was, though.

The part when he puts the cat in the oven made me almost put the book down : (
itsafunny_thing 13th-Oct-2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
Jesus, WHAT?
yousaidlog 13th-Oct-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
I believe the old man in the story would feed stray cats outside of his house. He was a former Nazi who I guess was trying to forget his past (? haven't read it in a while), and I think he was curious if he was still capable of being evil, so he picked a cat up, and burned it alive in his oven, and it's explained in detail. I am the biggest cat person, so it made me ill while I was reading it : (
juel1979 13th-Oct-2012 05:09 pm (UTC)
I think it was the dream Todd had about experimenting on the Jewish girl. It took a sec for me as well. I knew there was implied rape in Shawshank Redemption (not described but fade-to-black, sorta how it was in the movie), but it took a sec to remember what it was in Apt Pupil.

That story man, I break it out at least once a year and read the whole book all the way through. I remember thinking they needed to make it a movie and six months later, there it was.
angelmonster 13th-Oct-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
I am sure this will be banned and in its place 50 shades of grey will be placed on the fucking shelf.
sarahfer 13th-Oct-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
better get dem bibles out of the library quicksmart
mmmdraco 13th-Oct-2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
But, they allow censorship in schools! It's why the principal can dictate whether or not a story appears in the school newspaper. (Had this happen several times when I was editor-in-chief. It really sucked.)

But, seriously, book banning for *that* book? I'll admit that scene in particular can be a little much and Apt Pupil as a whole can, too, but I read it in 10th grade and was not horribly scarred for life. And there are many more books with content just as disturbing. Like the scene near the end of The Grapes of Wrath with the lady breast-feeding the old man? That squicked me out when I had to read that in high school. But I'm not up for banning it. No one is going to read Apt Pupil and then go live that lifestyle unless there is something wrong with them in the head.
pretend_to_care 14th-Oct-2012 12:42 am (UTC)
Not that I agree with either, but the Supreme Court does see a difference between banning books and making "editorial" changes to a school newspaper. There was one case where a principle removed pages of the school newspaper on pregnancy and divorce, and the Supreme Court upheld the decision because "educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns." Apparently they don't see that as a violation of our freedom of information.

/has spent waaay too much time in a law library this past week doing research for a Freedom of Information Act paper for one of my library science classes
bossm 13th-Oct-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who thinks that this is okay? It's not a public library. It's a school library. If anyone wants to read this book then they could get it in a public library.
nicholasdee 13th-Oct-2012 03:06 pm (UTC)
I am not sure I get why its ok because its a school library. I mean, isn't that the same as going, "well, if you ban the book in the library, they can just get it at the store."
browniecakemix 13th-Oct-2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
Maybe if it's a private school. Maybe. A private institution gets to set its own rules. But a public school? Absolutely not; then it's really no different than if we were talking about a public library besides the degree of scale.
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
ia.
mynamehere07 13th-Oct-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
I remember around 5th or 6th grade needing a permission slip to get certain books. Which I thought was pointless because if I wanted to read "Are You There God..." I could sit in the library and read it and not take it out.

I just don't get book banning, kids will get into shit regardless, banning a book is meaningless.
juel1979 13th-Oct-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
Yep. I found a copy of Cujo in the basement when I was like 9 or 10 and asked my mom if I could read it. She was fine with it and was tickled when I got into Stephen King stuff. She still gives me a SK book every so often (last one was when I was stuck on pregnancy bedrest. Gonna be breaking that one out this roadtrip, since I never got to sit and read).
miss_kate18 14th-Oct-2012 05:52 am (UTC)
I started reading Stephen King around the same age, my parents had a copy of The Dead Zone. Now I've read every book he's written. He takes up half my bookshelf, haha.
adlanth 13th-Oct-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
I'm sure there are good arguments for saying the book should stay in the library, but putting forward 'it's only one story' thing isn't great, I think. Sounds to me like an admission that there are indeed grounds to ban that particular story (and then what are they supposed to do? rip off a few pages?), and I'm not sure that's what she means.
thegreenstage 13th-Oct-2012 03:47 pm (UTC)
IA. I'm 100% on her side but I thought that part of it was a poor argument, or at least worded poorly.
motorwill 13th-Oct-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
I thought high schools' collections try to filter out pop entertainment in the first place, so the kids would study scholarly things, etc. I love King, but he's basically cable tv in print. HS me was already reading him outside of class, and I def would have tried to worm it into my papers if my teachers weren't like "No, here go read some Vonnegut."
sandstorm 13th-Oct-2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
My HS library had magazine subscriptions to Seventeen and Nintendo Power and Game Informer and two rows of manga...I would have liked Reader's Digest though.
motorwill 13th-Oct-2012 03:29 pm (UTC)
wow. OST, maybe it's better to have more volume, even if it isn't literature. My HS library had nothing, even for normal study. But then again they blew their budget on the football team and didn't give a shit about learning (just passing tests).
yaywhitepeople 13th-Oct-2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
sometimes it is about getting them to read anything at all because that is a struggle with a lot of kids. even if you get them reading crap, at least they have started reading something.
__nocturna 13th-Oct-2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't really recall my school having much in the way of pleasure reading. I remember going there when you had to do a project, and needed research.
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
i did a book report on IT in 8th grade so what the f that you couldn't use stephen king in a paper. hell, i did a math project using lord of the rings (movie).

althout vonnegut, good stuff. we read harrison bergeron in 7th grade but i am sure that got replaced nowadays with some standardized testing BS.
iamsaturnine 13th-Oct-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
I had a school librarian who would refuse to let certain kids check out certain books, because she thought they were "above their reading level." rme forever
pamelalillian 13th-Oct-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
above their reading level?

revoke her credentials asap, that is so disgusting.
juel1979 13th-Oct-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
Wow. I'd have flipped my shit.
quizblorg 13th-Oct-2012 03:18 pm (UTC)
Strange that they didn't object to the gay rape scenes in "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" as well.
juel1979 13th-Oct-2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
I think it was more implied. Apt Pupil was definitely more descriptive.

I'm surprised it's this and not It, though. Preteen gangbang is something else, even if it's not overly descriptive, so far as I recall. Took me forever to break down and read It all the way through. I had the same problem with The Shining.
vanillafluffy 13th-Oct-2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
Right? I haven't read "Apt Pupil" in ages; when they mentioned "Different Seasons", "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" was the first thing I thought of.

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