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This.

I'm not an american citizen but have american friends and i agree so hard with you on this observation.

PREACH!

I'm American and I agree. If I have to hear one bullshit argument that involves "Constitutional Rights" so people can be fat (soda "ban") or assholes (anti-gay, anti-Muslim, etc.), I'm packing my bags and moving. I give up trying to fix you America.

I cannot believe she actually said that.

What the entire fuck.

I have my red flags ready.

LOL she is a moron

Her viewpoints never cease to amaze. I literally have no idea what stupidity will fall out of her mouth next

lol i can't get over that either

Yes. People that practice the religion of Islam can be of any race.

well, technically Islam is the religion and Muslims are people who follow it.

Yea (and people convert to Islam all the time), but the bigotry tied to is has to do with race. :/

Yep. People of any race can follow it.

Islam is the religion, people who follow it are Muslims. And though the religion has no specific race (as anyone can join), the American stereotype features those of Middle Eastern descent (even though, statistically, most are South Asian).

Sadly, some Americans seem to insist Middle Eastern people and "Indian" people are the same race/group/whatever, and being M-E automatically means you are a "terrorist," because googling or opening a book is too hard when you have people to scorn and oppress. And that is our post 9/11, Islamophobic world.

ok i'm only referring to the first clip.

I agree with you on the hate speech part, but not on the second part. If you suppress speech just because it is met with violent protests, you give anybody the power to censor anything, simply by resorting to violence.

Edited at 2012-09-20 09:20 pm (UTC)

Hate speech is protected under the First Amendment. What someone classifies as hate speech, may not be what you or I would classify as such, and therein lies the danger. One instance, every person on ONTD who makes a slur at white people, that could win them a fine and/or a hefty jail sentence.

What the first amendment is doing is prohibiting any new political party/group coming to power and being able to revamp what can or cannot be said, ending any dissent. In the US, speech is protected. It can't be reworked by whomever is in authority. It's actually in the constitution for safety purposes. Remember, free speech only applies to the government limiting speech, not corporations, or your friends, or your neighbors down the street. You also can't harass someone.

If you were to speak out against the Catholic Church, that could win you a jail sentence in many countries throughout Europe. Kathy Griffin would be in trouble if she got caught performing her "The Catholic Church is full of kiddy f-ckers" routine.

About the video, it breaks every rule of Youtube. They're not taking it down because the traffic is making them money. Google/Youtube is not doing this out of support for free speech.

But, if YouTube is a private organization (which it is), then they can take it down no problem.

Hmmm.

Bingo!

LOL 'honkeyshines'

Never heard that one before ;p

Like you care about the distinction.

lol please you probably downloaded it the day it was released.

puhleese

I feel like they are only taking it down so that there isnt anymore violence, but that is not the video's doing. no one forced those thugs to kill the ambassador. you can't go out and beat people, destroy property, or kill people because someone disrespects your religion.

and im disturbed at the amount of Muslims and non religious folks in so many words saying that the violence in response to the video is okay. (ive been listening to discussions about it on BBC radio and im jealous that we aren't having the same types of intellegent convos on American radio...not even NPR)

Youtube is suppose to delete those videos automatically. Look at their flagging system, and the categories they have set.

I saw people doing skits in black face. Those were deleted instantly.

Youtube is leaving it up for financial purposes.

But it is an attack on Muslims. I haven't seen the video either but I've read that it employs brown face and racist stereotypes. And this director made the video specifically to incite Muslims. It's like those Qur'an burnings.

I like that, USA should really follow that too!

Same here.

But ~*~OMG But it could like be a slippery slope and we will end up in jail and stuff for speaking our minds and stuff~*~
/typical comment in a post about french hate speech laws.

Apparently some people are really confused about how hate speech laws work.

YUP! Happy to be here. It's certainly not perfect, but there is that.

Edited at 2012-09-20 09:56 pm (UTC)

This. It all about common sense, tbh. Everyone is also entitle to freedom but once you cross the line you get that taken away from you. Everything needs to have boundaries in a society and there should be consequences for the ones who don't respect the limits

Yes! People sometimes think that means they can't say what they want but our laws state that the speech in question has to be seen as something that would incite violence.

I had no idea that Canada's free speech law was set up like that! Has the law been that way since the nation's founding, or...?


/ignorant

what's considered hate speech in canada jess?

Please, why should this surprise you? NYC has been anti-Muslim/Islam for at least a decade now. Not like it wasn't prior to 2001 but it's far worse now.

Many Middle Easterners have fled the NYC area for greener pastures in Houston and California. Although I heard alot have moved to Florida as well.

My favourite Persian restaurant Pars Grille was moved from its wonderful Union Square location to the Hooker Alley. I think they've actually shut down Ali Babba to. :(

They want to cause a religious war, and bring on the End of Days.

;;__;;

Pam Geller's trollish ass.

Think she's a birther too, fuck her couch.

this really depresses me. i know racism is e v e r y w h e r e but sometimes because im from a small white town in texas i like to imagine that the big diverse cities are ~a better place

damn

That just sucks man! But then again I'm not surprised cuz it's been like this since 9/11. :(