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4:12 pm - 09/20/2012

Is domestic violence in Vogue? Stephanie Seymour gets ‘choked’ and groped on cover of Vogue Hommes


What’s in Vogue for the international male? Choking and groping, say anti-domestic violence advocates.

The cover of Vogue Hommes Internationale has caused a storm of controversy over a photo of model Stephanie Seymour being simultaneously choked and grabbed from behind by male model Marlon Teixeira .


With one hand, he holds Seymour by the neck — with the other, he grabs her breast.


Critics say the cover, shot by envelope-pushing photographer Terry Richardson is decidedly unsexy and sends both men and women a terrible message.

“This truly disturbing image of a woman being choked sends a dangerous message to anyone who sees this magazine – that choking is a sign of passion rather than of violence,” representatives from Sanctuary for Families, Safe Horizons, NOW NYC and Equality Now wrote in an open letter to Conde Nast head honcho Si Newhouse.

“Choking is a huge predictor of future lethality. A 2008 Journal of Emergency Medicine study of murders of women in 11 cities found that 43% of women who were killed by intimate partners had experienced at least one previous episode of choking before being killed,” the letter goes on to say.

While the photograph of the 41-year-old model being accosted from behind may have been intended to shock and titillate, such images are well-trod territory, says Autumn Whitefield-Madrano, author of The Beheld, a blog on women, beauty, and cultural criticism.

“It's interesting that this image is causing a stir, because frankly this is nothing new — images of women being attacked and degraded are par for the course in fashion.”

Whitefield-Madrano believes the cover was an attention getting PR move.

“It's a provocative image in every sense of the word, and the erotic aspects of it — the hand on the breast, the licking of the finger, the parting of the lips — neatly serve as ammunition for critics and defense alike,” she said.

Richardson has made his living shooting provocative magazine photos of celebrities including Kate Upton, Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, and Lana Del Rey.

In 2010, the Parents Television Council was appalled at the Richardson-lensed photos of the cast of “Glee,” calling them “bordering on pedophilia.”

This year he posted photos he’d taken of troubled starlet Lindsay Lohan holding a gun to her head.

In 2010, Richardson was accused of inappropriate behavior by some of the female models he’d worked with in the past, allegations he has denied.


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brenden 20th-Sep-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
she's 41 years old!!! wow
anidee 20th-Sep-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
oh my goodness! I would have never thought.
butterflysnf 20th-Sep-2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
she looks lovely but only they know how photoshop the photo is.
mynamehere07 20th-Sep-2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
I thought she would be older. It seems like forever ago that she was dating Axel Rose and being in Gn'R videos.
xbellaxmiax 20th-Sep-2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
ia
the only thing that's keeping me from really liking the picture is the expression on her face- she looks bored
miriamele 20th-Sep-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
Seriously? I'm getting tired of this. I think it's sexy as fuck and when my dude gropes and chokes me at the same time I am happy as shit.

Different strokes. Different folks. Let's not assume it's about abuse.

[edit] Although he DOES appear to be enjoying it more than her. But come one, she looks more bored than concerned.

Edited at 2012-09-20 08:17 pm (UTC)
thishollywood 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
lol i know. if i cant slap or choke someone when im fucking them, it feels like something is missing. fuckin prudes
miriamele 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
haha I was just having this convo with my dude. I said "Hmm last night was kinda boring.. and then you slapped me and it was GREAT!"

I realize that this sounds crazy to some people but.. *shrug*
blenderhead 20th-Sep-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
lol Same.
whiskybars 20th-Sep-2012 08:36 pm (UTC)
ikr
clubland 20th-Sep-2012 08:37 pm (UTC)
Same here, I get excited when my neck hurts for like two days after lmao
lillylilacs 21st-Sep-2012 12:18 am (UTC)
iawtcsfm
roguedandelion 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
I think it's probably the botox
abcdlovelife 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
mte! choking is so sexy to me.
bollyhood 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
I love having my hair pulled when i'm getting it from behind. LOVE IT.
fauxparadiso 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
My only issue is that there seems to be a growing number of dumb dudes who think that women are automatically into choking during sex. I was asked by a male friend about it and he didn't even consider that he'd have to ask for consent first.
croutonochrist 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Right? I like a man to be ~rough~ tbh, so this picture doesn't make me uncomfortable. I also don't see anything indicating domestic violence.
xbellaxmiax 20th-Sep-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
this is exactly what i was going to say
choking can be a sexual thing and it does not represent domestic violence
cossard 20th-Sep-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
it's different when it's something you're doing w a partner in private and when it's the cover of a publicized men's magazine. this cover does not exist in a social bubble; it wasn't conceptualized out of nowhere.

so sick of people come up in posts like this complaining that they love to be groped/choked/hit/whatever so there's no way it could have negative connotations in any other scenario and everyone else should feel comfortable with it.
rewrittentime 20th-Sep-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
yep ia, yet some people think that means you're ~giving in2 the patriarchy~ lmfao.
deadendqueen16 20th-Sep-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
MTE
akasha6915 20th-Sep-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
I wish she didn't look bored, that's the thing that gets me about the picture. I'd be more cool with this if she was into it.

And yes to your first part.
brokenbeauty08 20th-Sep-2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
she's looking at the camera which makes it look like she is just a doll for his using rather than her being engaged.

she's just standing there. maybe if her hand covered his hand over her breast, its would look better, idk.
marley_love 20th-Sep-2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
preach gurl
sdpt 20th-Sep-2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
there was this one time i was being choked (not hardcore) during anal sex and my legs ended up flailing around like a squid being butchered! I laid on the bed like I was that high/melted girl from those anti-drug commercials for a couple of hours after. Hmm, maybe I'll call up that mother fucker again.

ponpiri 20th-Sep-2012 08:39 pm (UTC)
Damn Yuna get it! I agree
melissa_ivory 20th-Sep-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
I just came in here to say this!
vanjar 20th-Sep-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
This cover isn't that sexy, because of her bored expression.
I do like the 'W' spread with Charlize and Fassbender, very sexy.
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gbeastly 20th-Sep-2012 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hell yeah me too. This dude I'm seeing now loves to get handsy around my neck and it drives me CRAZY.
meleeisgood 20th-Sep-2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
Yes please and thank you!

I like rough, often pretty kinky sex. I KNOW the difference between a hand around the throat for fun and someone legit choking me in anger.

I don't think that pictures like this are in any way advocating domestic abuse just because of the position she's in. If their positions were reversed, there would most likely be no uproar about this at all. It says sensual to me, not abusive.
scarletfbl 20th-Sep-2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
Right? Where the hell did someone get domestic violence from this?
lillylilacs 21st-Sep-2012 12:17 am (UTC)
omg iasfm. the picture sucks because it looks like an outtake, but she doesn't look like she is fighting him off or something. Not everyone wants soft, gentle sex. Rough sex is hot and that doesn't mean it is sexist/domestic violence etc if both parties are into it.
mari_lyn00 21st-Sep-2012 12:21 am (UTC)
a nice grip on my neck with fondling is sexy as hell.
jainypoo 21st-Sep-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
ITA
heartina_cage 21st-Sep-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
It's also annoying as shit that the majority of these sexually suggestive images position women in the submissive role. I'd put money on that being one of the things that's annoying a lot of people, even if they can't articulate it.
slacker_chic 21st-Sep-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
IA. My husband and i have HOT FUCKNG SEX that does include this and what is the problem? Grabbing, pulling, biting, clawing, it's just animalistic. It's natural and I has no shame!
aomushidrops 21st-Sep-2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
WERD.
jenslore 26th-Sep-2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
THANK. YOU.
daisyazul 20th-Sep-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
um......
mmbien 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
calling this domestic violence is just offensive to actual victims.
cruel_idol 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Agreed, I've seen a woman getting choked 6ft in front of me, this is not even close.
the_landlady 20th-Sep-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
MTE
paarycia 20th-Sep-2012 08:36 pm (UTC)
this
idreaminargyle 20th-Sep-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
i have to agree - there's worrying tones maybe but overall calling it domestic abuse is imo a shitty attempt to sensationalize this story
bamboobanga2 20th-Sep-2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
fucking agreed
scarletfbl 20th-Sep-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
this
annadraper 20th-Sep-2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
ita
hkitty4891 21st-Sep-2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Agreed. My best friend's husband choked her last weekend, she still has marks on her neck. Fucking piece of shit.
floorpies 21st-Sep-2012 03:10 am (UTC)
exactly. he doesn't even look like he's choking her, since his hands look so relaxed.
toilandblood 21st-Sep-2012 06:08 am (UTC)
yeah agreed
blazinguns 21st-Sep-2012 05:23 pm (UTC)
I think it's more offensive to swipe away any discussion about how images like this are presented as completely normal, tbh. I mean, if you have "rape culture" where images support normalization of it, you very similarly have/could have "domestic violence culture" with images like this supporting that

For the record, I am not offended by this image, but it's weird to me to think that victims of domestic abuse should be offended by discussion rising out of this image.
browniecakemix 21st-Sep-2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Mte. Like, does it not ring any alarms that we see this exact same thing in both men's and women's magazines, rather than--e.g.--seeing the reverse (by which I mean woman getting all domme on a man) in one of them?
jenslore 26th-Sep-2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
Agree so hard
kissoffools 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
I don't think there's anything wrong with that picture. It just looks like an attempt at sexy to me, not like it's violence at all. (Although I guess that's just my opinion.)

I'm not here for glorifying abuse at all, but nothing about that pic suggests he's hurting her.

Edited at 2012-09-20 08:17 pm (UTC)
seraphitta 22nd-Sep-2012 05:45 am (UTC)
Of course they wouldn't be depicting someone blatantly hurting a woman on the cover of a magazine.

I don't think anyone ever claimed that? :/
_myaugust 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
Her face doesn't seem to give off the domestic violence vibe. Maybe if she looked scared, I'd be concerned.
stussytribe 20th-Sep-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
thank u for this comment
warsawed 20th-Sep-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
she looks empty/dead which is almost worse
croutonochrist 20th-Sep-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
I think she's got the standard model face going on tbh. Trying to look sexy but bored. Ends up just looking blank and half awake.
bamboobanga2 20th-Sep-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
lol at you literally taking issue with everything you possibly can. do you ever laugh, or even smile? besides when you're being rude to people, i mean.
heart_iswild 21st-Sep-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
do you ever shut the fuck up

Edited at 2012-09-21 01:07 am (UTC)
anydoppelganger 20th-Sep-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
mte
winegums 20th-Sep-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
lord knows I hate Terry and think he should go fall on his face into irrelevance, but ia. This post is reaching.
rewrittentime 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
hmm it might just be alluding to rough sex? then again terry richardson is involved so idk.
spartacus 20th-Sep-2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
it's creepy rough sex then
theitalianchick 20th-Sep-2012 09:41 pm (UTC)
it's not.
croutonochrist 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
Really? Terry Richardson is a perverted creep, but I don't see how this is setting some sort of dangerous precedent.
yummyhead2toe 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
Omigaaaaaaaahhhhhhddddd!!!!!!1111

Lana did it too. It's ~*fashion*~. No1curr.

Edited at 2012-09-20 08:18 pm (UTC)
poisoned_summer 20th-Sep-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
offended to be offended

aka a perfect post for ontd
swanqween 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
lmao
thishollywood 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
i am offended that you would point this out
brenden 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
im i allowed to agree with you? i have a penis so i'm not sure.
brucelynn 20th-Sep-2012 08:37 pm (UTC)
OMG SCREAMING LOOLLL
chandyland11 20th-Sep-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
you are brenden, you are allowed to do whatever the fuck you want
clubland 20th-Sep-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
If you have a penis here you can say anything and get away with it, don't worry
redsprings 20th-Sep-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
But can you see it?
bamboobanga2 20th-Sep-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
dying
bollyhood 20th-Sep-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
The people that want to be offended will find a reason however stupid.
heikaru 20th-Sep-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
LOL mte in 98% of the posts here tbh.
brucelynn 20th-Sep-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
lol
judgmental 20th-Sep-2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
pretty much
peenpoop 20th-Sep-2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
Thank You! I'm tired of these so-called Social Justice warriors on ONTD and tumblr! They make is worse for the real SJs out there.
ryrynobutsrsly 20th-Sep-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for that. I came in here expecting the usual armchair advocates, but instead found this little jewel that perfectly sums up this site.
heart_iswild 21st-Sep-2012 02:40 am (UTC)
as per usual

cliche but needs to be said- i miss 06-09 ONTD
bravocharlie 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
gdamn it's just a pose.
bnlmaroonvwbug 20th-Sep-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
i agree
swanqween 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
eww this is so tacky
stuffwithcandy 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
im more repulsed by the expression that guy has....he isn't 2 sexi
slacker_chic 21st-Sep-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
but you know who is? Michael Pitt. Fuck yeah.
killetheth 21st-Sep-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
iawtc
callmemaybeplz 20th-Sep-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
It seems more sexy than dangerous~ to me
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