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12:06 am - 09/14/2012

Amanda Palmer offers hugs as payment to guest musicians



Amanda Palmer draws criticism for hugs-as-pay touring musician approach
By Katie Hasty

This week, Amanda Palmer started her recruiting the "orchestra" members of her Grand Theft Orchestra Tour with an announcement: she'd be drafting "professional-ish" quality horn and string players locally at each gig. "We will feed you beer, hug/high-five you up and down (pick your poison), give you merch and thank you mightily for adding to the big noise we are planning to make."

Let's be clear about something: Amanda Palmer did not invent the notion of paying musicians in drink tickets and a good hang.

Palmer fell under fire for her pay structure regardless, and for a few reasons.

According to the New York Times, the Boston-based songwriter will be paying her three regular touring members, but still wants seven or eight unpaid performers for each night: a string quartet and three or four saxophone players.

The songwriter made headlines earlier this summer for raising a record-breaking $1.2 million through Kickstarter, to make and promote her next new record "Theatre Is Evil." That album bowed on Tuesday and Palmer claims those funds were used in promoting and marketing and creating the set.

She also said that paying seven or eight musicians for three dozen tour dates would amount to $35,000, which she does not have or has not delegated or does not want to delegate. Plus, she told the Times, "If you could see the enthusiasm of these people, the argument would become invalid. They’re all incredibly happy to be here," she said. “If my fans are happy and my audience is happy and the musicians on stage are happy, where’s the problem?”

Not all of her fans are happy, and some have thought the move was unfair to musicians. Musicians Unions are not happy, saying her recruiting method devalues working musicians' work.


But, indeed, many of her fans are fine with the move: the $1.2 million is evidence of their loyalty and acceptance of this other type of "crowdsourcing."

Palmer's path -- even when she was on Roadrunner -- has always been unique, and these days, firmly DIY. Her music isn't my cup of tea, but I admire her enterprising and intimate connection with her fans. In my interview with her in 2010, she admitted to the tendencies of her "hardcore" fans, and then the need to recapture new fans' attentions after an album drops.

It's more than just the hardcore fans that will make the Grand Theft Orchestra Tour successful. And have no doubt: it will be really, really successful.

And that's where I break with her decision. Her logic says that her rotating mini-orchestra should get paid $0 or $35,000, and suggested no number in between. But Palmer is going to kill this tour. Murder it dead. She's playing mid-sized ballrooms and theaters, and she will sell many of them out. And she will have $35,000 and then some to spare by the end of it.

If Palmer says it took $1.2 million to make this album, sure, fine, it's totally fine. Blow it on catering and payroll. The math may bother me, but spending it on what she wants doesn't bother me, and I don't think the many fans that paid to make her album "possible" would disagree. But it's misleading to say that at the end of this tour, she can't afford to pay her players, even if $35k is high.

In her Tumblr, she noted the "poetic placement" of an article about David Byrne was next to her Times article. David Byrne even name-checked Palmer in his article, "as an example of someone who creatively crowdsources things," she posted. Plus: "when david byrne guested with the grand theft orchestra a few months ago at the music hall of williamsburg, we paid him…in beer."

Halt. Stop right there. I think Amanda Palmer knows that David Byrne is compensated for his music, and deserves to be. David Byrne played Palmer's show for a drink token not just because he likes Amanda Palmer, but because of a little something called good will. Generosity. Good will and generosity helped to raise $1.2 million, and not solely just because people like her previous albums.

To answer Palmer's question "where's the problem?", I'd say the move, more than anything, is tacky. Palmer could have listed "Play with my band" as one of the "rewards" for donating to her album fund. She, instead, experienced the love and generosity of her hardcore fanbase's outpouring of good will and vibes, and then dipped into the pot again, in a very public and tactless way. Her fans' exceptionalism is no excuse.

There are musicians and Amanda Palmer fans who would love the exposure and the fun of playing with her. There are musicians and Amanda Palmer fans who would love to play with her, but believe they deserve to get paid. Those who will play for free will get the gig, whether or not they are better players than those who decline the opportunity (and, at that, the lottery). Palmer will value you as an "Orchestra" member if you play for free, so what does that say about how she values all performers and touring artists, beyond how happy they are?

Chronic crank and brilliant record engineer Steve Albini, in his discussion online at the Electrical Audio board, used the word "waste" toward what happened with Palmer's Kickstarter fun. Furthermore, I'd call this tactic a waste of good will. Of course some of her hardcore, professional-ish fans would play for free. That doesn't mean she should let them.

Source.

This makes me shake my head. I'm not mad at those taking the "gig," but it seems mighty opportunistic on Amanda's part, especially when she's been vocal about paying artists in the past. Some good fan reactions have been collected here: Amanda Palmer Asks Musicians To Play For Free, Pisses Off Musicians. If this is the "future of music," I'm worried. Grand Theft Orchestra... how appropriate.
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sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:23 am (UTC)
QUICK ONTD: how do I turn off comment notification emails for this post? There used to be an option for that when writing the post, but I didn't see it this time. HALP.
ericasays 14th-Sep-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
just say a quick prayer for your inbox and go to bed
sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
LOL. Duly noted.
kurtvonnegut 14th-Sep-2012 04:31 am (UTC)
just edit your post
warsawed 14th-Sep-2012 04:32 am (UTC)
http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=notifications

Someone replies to my entry in a community - disable
tigermilk 14th-Sep-2012 04:32 am (UTC)
FUQD
tigermilk 14th-Sep-2012 04:33 am (UTC)
Girl though, one time I got about a hundred comments when I said that Ellen Page looked like Justin Bieber. It was hilarious because I was at work and every five, my phone went off.
comalies 14th-Sep-2012 04:23 am (UTC)
God help us all if Amanda Palmer is the future of music.
chokey_lowkey 14th-Sep-2012 05:08 am (UTC)
I was thinking this.
ohyoudo 14th-Sep-2012 05:18 am (UTC)
/post
enjoyyourbunny 14th-Sep-2012 06:23 am (UTC)
Hallelujah.
highd 14th-Sep-2012 08:35 am (UTC)
She isn't but her approach should be.
loony_moony 14th-Sep-2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
Not if she doesn't pay her musicians, it shouldn't.
sweet_honesty 14th-Sep-2012 02:04 pm (UTC)
Um, no. Musicians deserve to get paid.
squarebiz2you 15th-Sep-2012 12:03 am (UTC)
You are wrong Gale!
miss_kate18 14th-Sep-2012 11:09 am (UTC)
mte Cillian
squarebiz2you 14th-Sep-2012 02:00 pm (UTC)
YEP. (Though you may feel similarly about the woman in my icon.)
lovely_persona 14th-Sep-2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
IA. We're fucked.
myrasis 14th-Sep-2012 04:24 am (UTC)
dammit, amanda, you make it hard to like you sometimes.
*covers eyes and keeps listening to leeds united*
enid_keaner 14th-Sep-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
Oh Amanda.
beating_heartss 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
It's so gross because this whole thing just screams, "You should be so happy to get to play with me for a night"
little_kitkat 14th-Sep-2012 07:55 am (UTC)
lmao ikr?
flightbyzephyr 14th-Sep-2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
The thing that worries me is that the fans are more than happy to play for free and some music exec is going to see this stunt and try and slash wages for touring musicians or recreate it and there will be even less jobs around for professional musicians. :(
ransom_gillis 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
Doesn't she have a record label who's paying for her tour? Generally it's the label that shells out for that stuff or at least fronts some money.
sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:28 am (UTC)
No, she broke with her label and is doing this all by herself. Hence the $1.2 million kickstarter record.
nyse 14th-Sep-2012 12:38 pm (UTC)
LOL! Taking a bio course right now, so this is particularly amusing to me!
ponpiri 14th-Sep-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
damn, but what about potassium?
arielcharming 14th-Sep-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
Huge Dresden Dolls fan. Not so much an Amanda Palmer fan.
skeet_skeet 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
Guuurrrrrrllll this is not hippie dippie land.
corruptionoflol 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
groan
i hope there aren't too many (or really any at all) blind stans in this post. beers and hugs are acceptable methods of payment for helping a friend move (to a different neighborhood in the same city) and not much else
melissa_ivory 14th-Sep-2012 04:31 am (UTC)
Agreed.

What do you substitute if they are a recovering alcoholic or just don't drink?

I've never gotten an answer on that before.
skeet_skeet 14th-Sep-2012 04:34 am (UTC)
Pizza and soda man.
corruptionoflol 14th-Sep-2012 04:34 am (UTC)
i'd just offer to take someone to dinner/make dinner for them. but i've only ever been the person helping someone move (and i got nothing out of it womp womp)
distant_lines 14th-Sep-2012 04:35 am (UTC)
Pizza.
tigermilk 14th-Sep-2012 04:37 am (UTC)
Pizza! But I'm Debbie Allergic To Life, so people just don't ask me to help.
chantonii 14th-Sep-2012 04:39 am (UTC)
Chocolate, flowers, a gift voucher, offer to take them/make them dinner, etc.
thegirlshateher 14th-Sep-2012 12:02 pm (UTC)
Seriously. You can't criticize this woman, or even attempt an intelligent debate about her methods, without fearing the wrath of her psycho fans.

And you know... I used to be a fan, but after two pre-order debacles, and the night she sold her used sex toys via live chat, I was done. But back when I was a fan, it was a lovely community of Dresden Dolls fans. Now it's like she's a cult leader.
sweet_honesty 14th-Sep-2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
Moving is one of those things that if you help a friend move, you know they'll help you when you move. In this case, it seems like she's just taking advantage of musicians who are lesser known.
sexi_panda 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
Amanda just pisses me off in general.
aflaminghalo 14th-Sep-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
I think the word "professional-ish" tells you everything you need to knonw about the state this tour will be in.
ronnie_luvs_u 14th-Sep-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
that seems shady as hell.
coulson 14th-Sep-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
goddamn she has been ruined for me, i used to think she was flawless but the shit she says and pulls just fucking piles on
testdrivegirl 14th-Sep-2012 04:35 am (UTC)
ia, i thought she was so cool for awhile
deathbyrandom 14th-Sep-2012 04:58 am (UTC)
mte
toilandblood 14th-Sep-2012 05:21 am (UTC)
I think so too.
I really liked Neil too until I followed him on tumblr then his replies annoyed me. oh well, still like his writing.
flightbyzephyr 14th-Sep-2012 02:48 pm (UTC)
In what way did they annoy you? he seems really sweet on Tumblr to me...
phoe21 14th-Sep-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
same :(
my_drama_only 14th-Sep-2012 04:28 am (UTC)
I really hate it when people contact me for a gig and then say I'll be compensated in food and exposure. I did not spend 4 years in university for a music degree to get bruised bananas for lunch.
sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:30 am (UTC)
This. Plus, when event organizers find an abundance of amateur undercutters and people willing to work for free, professional musicians have even fewer jobs, and it hurts creative professionals across the board.
indignantindigo 14th-Sep-2012 04:30 am (UTC)
This has been my art career lately. "Oh well I'll cover lunch but dude working with me gains you exposure!" Oh awesome sort of well known but not well liked company is throwing me a bone... yaaaay. poop
sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:36 am (UTC)
My favorite response to this is "people die from exposure."
asmallwonder 14th-Sep-2012 04:38 am (UTC)
you mean you can't pay rent with exposure?!?!
bbbitchface 14th-Sep-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
that's the big problem in any creative field, you have to sell your soul to the devil. i'm in fashion and if i don't work for free for a while, i don't get the so-called exposure i need. i have so many friends who graduated uni last year and are still interning/living with their parents to save money. the creative industry is elitist as fuck.
simplychristina 14th-Sep-2012 04:56 am (UTC)
I'm a writer. I hear you completely.
asteriatic 14th-Sep-2012 07:04 am (UTC)
Someone in admin from the university I got my degree at tried to recruit students to play for free...at a schmooze meeting full of paid caterers and paid administration staff.

I told her to gtfo and my dept. chair did as well, thank god
gramfaernes 14th-Sep-2012 10:47 am (UTC)
Yes, people seem to think that those with arts degrees don't deserve to get paid, and it's fucking irritating.
sweet_honesty 14th-Sep-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
This is the problem with any one in a creative industry. People just assume it's our hobby, not what we want to make money off of.
heartxbroadcast 14th-Sep-2012 04:29 am (UTC)
ugh. what is she going to be doing with the 1.2 million then? it doesn't take that much money to record a record.
sihaya09 14th-Sep-2012 04:49 am (UTC)
http://www.amandapalmer.net/blog/where-all-this-kickstarter-money-is-going-by-amanda/

Basically she's paying everyone BUT her guest musicians.
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