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8:10 pm - 09/13/2012

How a Woman's Success Can Affect Her Relationship

Amy Poehler and Will Arnett have decided to end their marriage after nine years. I know. I'm sighing, too. They were funny, so affectionate and both of them are just downright cute. I think all of America had a raging couple crush on these two and we're all hurting with them. Ben and Jerry's, order for 300 million, please!

Honestly, I do not know why this hilarious duo broke up. They're keeping it classy and being relatively private about this split, which is definitely how it should be handled. But, their breakup did get me thinking about how being a woman with a successful career affects relationships. I know how being in the spotlight has impacted my dating life. Will is clearly successful – and I'm a huge fan of Up All Night – but Amy is undeniably the more well known and successful of the two. I can't help but wonder if that contributed to their divorce. Being more successful than your man can weigh heavy on a relationship. Here's why:

Men like to provide
This goes back to the cavemen days. Men like to provide for women and their families. It's in their DNA. I'm obviously no scientist, but I bet if you could hear a Y-chromosome talk, it would say, "I want to provide and hunt." When the woman is the primary breadwinner, it's going against nature. I'm not saying that it's bad or wrong, I'm just saying that it can feel off.

Outside pressure
Even if your man is the most progressive male on the planet and is completely comfortable with his woman bringing home the bacon, the rest of the world isn't that open-minded. There will undeniably be comments and questions about your relationship dynamic. At first, these may seem like not much more than a silly annoyance, but these comments burn and eventually, they'll wear away at your man's confidence. He'll start to notice the difficulties of your untraditional financial situation and even if the financial dynamic doesn't bother him, the attention to it might.

Feeling left out
If you're a successful woman, chances are that you spend a ton of time working. You're probably on your email a lot, taking phone calls and going on regular business trips that don't involve your man. He can start to feel left out of a very important and very time-consuming part of your life. It's the same when it's swapped. When the husband spends too much time typing work emails and not writing enough love notes, things can get rocky.

Am I saying that Amy's amazing career was the downfall of this couple? I don't know. What I do know is that traditional gender roles are very real and flipping the norm is difficult for even the strongest, funniest, smartest men.

Do you agree? Disagree? Let me know if you think I'm onto something or if I sound like I'm from the 1950s. Best of luck to Amy and Will!


Smh at you, Patti Stanger/PEOPLE

I like to think that Will is better than that and I hope I'm not wrong
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aprilfunk 14th-Sep-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
I agree with you, OP
ppeak 14th-Sep-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
A lot of men are better than that, not just Will, and I see what Patti is saying, even though I don't agree with her, I GET IT.

It just sucks, because it's supposed to be about PARTNERSHIP and doing what's best for BOTH, not just MAN providing for his WOMAN.



clarelove 14th-Sep-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
Patti Stanger needs to be dead, in every which way.
bellwetherr 14th-Sep-2012 01:20 am (UTC)
ok
publicfrenemy 14th-Sep-2012 01:25 am (UTC)
that's a little extreme. Wouldn't removing her larynx and breaking her keyboard do the trick?
boncoup 14th-Sep-2012 03:13 am (UTC)
Or how about nobody pay her so she'll have to get a real job and not just yell at people all the time and make up shit about dating.
snoozeen 14th-Sep-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
But she's always been like that.

They started dating and, like, the next week she got SNL.

That just could not have played a role. It makes no sense.
sassandthecity 14th-Sep-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
Thank you! I was typing the exact same thing.
itspokerface 14th-Sep-2012 05:03 am (UTC)
your icon!!! love it
thelovehater 14th-Sep-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Amazing how a writer from the mid-1950s had the foresight to prepare an article about a couple in 2012.
asteriatic 14th-Sep-2012 07:12 am (UTC)
A+
tontoelquelolea 14th-Sep-2012 09:48 am (UTC)
10/10 would lol again.
wits 14th-Sep-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
lol this was written by patti "i make huge generalizations about gay people the veer into homophobic" stanger

no thanks
hungryandhot 14th-Sep-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
Amen.
cleanburritos 14th-Sep-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
Not to mention her irrational hate of redheads.
xtinkerbellax 14th-Sep-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
Yea, wtf is that? I can't stand her tbh.
menorahmajora 14th-Sep-2012 01:02 am (UTC)
lbr, the world at large outside of ontd isn't into gingers.
wee_mango 14th-Sep-2012 01:03 am (UTC)
WHAT? D:
flaca 14th-Sep-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
and curly hair
psubookworm27 14th-Sep-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
I have one of those. But that's because I'm jealous of that gorgeous hair.
champagnexdream 14th-Sep-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Tbh I'd believe it. :[ Sad.
snuffyqui45 14th-Sep-2012 12:40 am (UTC)
I might too. But I'm more angry at society that drills this crap into men's heads.
champagnexdream 14th-Sep-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Well it's also just the way some families are happy working. I grew up in a household with a disabled, stay-at-home dad and a mom who worked and I'm so lucky I had a stay-at-home parent. But I'd want to be the one doing that when I had kids. Luckily my boyfriend feels the same.

But I'm already in a successful career - he's kinda working on it. So we'll see what happens. I know for a fact he'd say the same things as Ben - he wants to be the provider, and is working really hard toward that, and I respect it.

/csb Haha sorry, I ramble!
champagnexdream 14th-Sep-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
Wow I totally got this post confused with this one, LOL my bad!
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/71960357.html

Still relevant though.
devourlove 14th-Sep-2012 12:45 am (UTC)
Same. And women's. Like it's somehow the woman's fault the man is feeling insecure. And the man should feel insecure for not ~providing.
zoaster_toaster 14th-Sep-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
IA so hard with this. Even with working women, the idea that you can't make more/be the provider is still prevalent and needs to be shut the fuck down.
menorahmajora 14th-Sep-2012 01:04 am (UTC)
this. I think we all need to stop and think realistically and not knee-jerk reactions based on expectations as opposed to reality.
foxxywith2xs 14th-Sep-2012 01:53 am (UTC)
my exbf was very vocal about how he would never marry a woman who was smarter or made more money than him. he said it wasn't "feminine" for women to make more money and he said a lot of his guy friends felt the same way. i'm pretty sure there was a survey a few years ago that said the same thing -- guys from harvard would rather date a girl from BU than harvard because they werent perceived as smart.
asteriatic 14th-Sep-2012 07:13 am (UTC)
you need to meet some better men hahaha
cossard 14th-Sep-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
i fucking hate this woman because she espouses the most antiquated sexist bullshit ever under the guise of relationship help
chrislola 14th-Sep-2012 01:11 am (UTC)
iawtc
efaulkner 14th-Sep-2012 01:31 am (UTC)
yep ia she's the worst
zoaster_toaster 14th-Sep-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
Any man who feels inferior and threatened by a woman's success is not worth any time. Period. Done.

(Although I definitely hope that's not the case with Will and Amy. :( )
fauxparadiso 14th-Sep-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
It's gross that this is being attached to Amy and Will when the details aren't even public. Celebs can't even amicably split without people trying to start shit.
emesieremonde 14th-Sep-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
ugh mte.
anna_bea2 14th-Sep-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
mte
colorzplosion 14th-Sep-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
mte. this article is gross
tiarlynn 14th-Sep-2012 12:45 am (UTC)
came here to say this. attaching a picture of them plastered to this headline automatically makes people draw conclusions that are possibly specious and definitely none of our business.
devourlove 14th-Sep-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
ikr
__nocturna 14th-Sep-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
iawtc wtf is this shit
expromqueen 14th-Sep-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
that one episode of seinfeld taught me there is no such thing as a mutual breakup...or that if there is, nobody will ever believe it
bellwetherr 14th-Sep-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
i believe that tbh. someone always has to be the first to make the decision.
zoaster_toaster 14th-Sep-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
Me too, let their personal business be private without trying to speculate shit.
snuffyqui45 14th-Sep-2012 12:53 am (UTC)
Mte. It's like she "this is semi-relevant to my bullshit article" and used them as an example. Go away.
wheezy_wazlib 14th-Sep-2012 12:55 am (UTC)
Yep
annadraper 14th-Sep-2012 02:06 am (UTC)
ita ty!

last week somebody writing for business week or s/t wrote this long screed about how women directors have no chance of success and all of this other whiny stuff. and like patti stanger here, she used kathryn bigelow's pic along with it without pointing out that kb does not share her pov on the topic (because by using her as an example w/o it implies that she does imo - same here with amy/will). but i commented that i hated kb being attached to this other woman's complaint, and ppl here got pissed that i did it. rme

Edited at 2012-09-14 02:07 am (UTC)
venecias 14th-Sep-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
bless this post tbh
marmar627 14th-Sep-2012 06:27 am (UTC)
I knew articles like this would pop up the second I heard the news. It's bullshit, and it's not like Will is a complete nobody or something. Fuck that.
goldenlockets 15th-Sep-2012 05:03 am (UTC)
yes!
angriest_girl 14th-Sep-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
WTF is this bullshit?
flyingpigs_live 14th-Sep-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
idk, I'm of the mind that the two still get along very well, they're good friends, there's just no more romantic love there. Considering the split was very amicable

Edited at 2012-09-14 12:39 am (UTC)
zoaster_toaster 14th-Sep-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
It always seemed to me they were friends first, couple second anyhow.
hollis1975 14th-Sep-2012 01:01 am (UTC)
maybe they were better FRIENDS more than a romantic couple. sometimes people make that mistake and marry because they just get along so well
la_sikka 14th-Sep-2012 01:53 am (UTC)
exactly and that is the only way i will be able to process there separation. Even if I am hoping for a last minute reconciliation.
ritzyroxie 14th-Sep-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
chinese_fabio 14th-Sep-2012 07:54 am (UTC)
I'm Whoopsie!
shadyoutkast 14th-Sep-2012 12:39 am (UTC)
will and amy both have pretty good careers. why would he be threatened by hers? that's stupid.

publicfrenemy 14th-Sep-2012 12:39 am (UTC)
WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS?


(I know the author is listed, but what planet is she from?)
hungryandhot 14th-Sep-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Patti Stanger, aka The Millionaire Matchmaker. She is truly awful.
colorzplosion 14th-Sep-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
OH

that explains a lot
publicfrenemy 14th-Sep-2012 01:18 am (UTC)
whoops. I know who that is. I was just blinded by rage the minute I read that thing about cavemen.


I have mixed feelings about her. She says this kind of stupid shit, but then again I think some of her rules are good - ex. you shouldn't be somebody's second choice. IDK.

It's sort of like Newtonian physics. Disproven and outmoded, but the formulas still work. Yes, I compared Bravo to physics.
sessile29 14th-Sep-2012 01:37 am (UTC)
ohhhhhhhhh that explains so much
snuffyqui45 14th-Sep-2012 12:39 am (UTC)
Crap like this is the only time I genuinely feel bad for dudes out there.

You can't be a stay-at-home dad, can't own a cat, can't wear pink and god forbid if you're ok with your wife/partner being successful.

Fuck the world. ugh
shadyoutkast 14th-Sep-2012 12:40 am (UTC)
the patriarchy fucks over everyone.
snuffyqui45 14th-Sep-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
So true.
one_hoopy_frood 14th-Sep-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
This
zoaster_toaster 14th-Sep-2012 12:52 am (UTC)
title or description
bathstone 14th-Sep-2012 01:00 am (UTC)
Yup.
pictureof 14th-Sep-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
mte
cricketgrl 14th-Sep-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
Any man that says he is not threatened by a successful woman is lying.
alienclit 14th-Sep-2012 01:07 am (UTC)
I didn't know owning a cat had a stigma.
publicfrenemy 14th-Sep-2012 01:20 am (UTC)
my husband adopted a cat before he met me, but he made it masculine by naming the cat after Simeon Rice, defensive end for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

That's how you get around this, apparently.
ohyoudo 14th-Sep-2012 02:11 am (UTC)
yeah poor dudes, they have it so tough
marmar627 14th-Sep-2012 06:29 am (UTC)
Ain't that the truth? Fuck everything, you can't win.
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