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1:11 pm - 08/09/2012

Lena Dunham Wears Muslim Veil, Calls Herself A "Fundamentalist".....

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Lena Dunham, creator and star of HBO's Girls posts a photo of herself on twitter wearing a muslim veil (hijab) with the caption "I had a real goth/fundamentalist attitude when I woke up from my nap"

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Mods, please approve this. This type of ridiculous bigotry and disrespect should be discussed.
robot_hanabi 10th-Aug-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
Maybe I'm just jaded, but I feel like it's a waste of time and energy in the long run. I understand this is the internet and, yeah, we all like to debate, but this issue transcends that. I mean, people were foaming at the mouth over this little show and I couldn't understand why. The backlash completely outweighed the actual crime to the point where, I think, it cheapened the real issue. Now whenever someone brings up diversity, everyone's like, "Oh, wank wank wank," to the point where even I'm over it at this point. I think there is such a thing as beating a dead horse, and if you're not seeking a solution or advocating for some bigger issue, it does seem like a waste of energy to me. I refuse to be outraged over everything; I'll voice my opinion here and there, but having some leverage in your advocacy is important.
beaddddddsss 10th-Aug-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
I don't think you really understood what I thought was obvious from my last comment. Again, no offense to you whatsoever, but what makes you think I'm not seeking a solution or advocating for the bigger issue? Just because I discuss a show or its head runner being offensive means that is the only problem I discuss? I've just continuously told you that it's not an either/or reality, you can talk about the smaller issues and still fight for the bigger problem at hand. What you're saying is limiting to how much people want to discuss racism and bigotry, and all the tiny variants of it to the big foundations they want to talk about. I support minority rights on a large-scale state level as a government worker trying to make changes, and as a writer and blogger and general Internet using person, I make small contributions to the big topic by discussing it, whether it be rants or positive comments. I'm not jaded or exhausted. It's an Internet conversation, it takes a minute to type up a comment and move on.

To be honest, if you're jaded by debates and rants on the Internet, then why are you in this post or having this continuing conversation with me? What I'm trying to state and have been stating is that it does not require a whole lot of wind and energy to reply to someone online or to discuss or argue. It's not a waste of time considering how much time are you wasting by talking about something online? Like I said, you can multitask between a post here on ONTD and actual life and problems. Plus, if someone takes an interest in their spare time to discuss such things, then who cares?

Having leverage in your advocacy IS IMPORTANT. Nail hit on the proverbial head. It's just common sense. Undeniably and damn emphatically so. I make it my career to advance such advocacy and help minorities, but I'm not pretentious enough to assume talking about the smaller issues and being passionate about the little things like POC/minority representation in media = useless and dumb. Any discussion about racial and ethnic prejudice is still something and if it's worth is merely personal, then who are we to judge? Talking online about stuff isn't a waste of time if the time is spent doing something you enjoy discussing and are interested in.

And again, as always, having conversations and being passionate about the smaller issues in no way ever, ever means that the person does not simultaneously discuss, actively participate, and passionately help change the bigger issue.
robot_hanabi 10th-Aug-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
My last comment wasn't really addressed to you specifically, just the issue of race in general on ONTD. I mean these posts get 1000+ comments for a reason, and it's mostly foaming, over-the-top rage. And I am jaded at this point because I'm witnessing a true issue being squandered by people who aren't really grounded in the issue realistically (and once again, not you specifically). Yeah we can debate, but there's no debate at this point. Just a bunch of combative hatefulness, and this isn't an internet thing (because I've been a member here since 2005), this is a new wave that's happening and I just find it incredibly annoying. You don't have to pick and choose your issues, but I do think people's response to social issues should equate the crime, so to speak.
beaddddddsss 10th-Aug-2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
Girl, there's a reason why those types of posts are titled as "wank". It's not an actual forum for intelligent discussion, just trolls causing an uproar and people too gullible and dumb enough to respond to them and give them further ammo. I never enter those posts because they ARE exhausting. They're filled with inflammatory comments and no real discussions or arguments, just jabs and ignorance all around. The "new wave" of that slaktivism is prominent in wank posts, so the best thing is to go where the actual good posts are and real promising talks take place. Those racial wank posts =/= racial posts in general.

What do you mean combative hatefulness? That's a really strong euphemistic term. I personally do not hate you nor do I want to go in the ring with you. My apologies if you've felt like we were taking swings at one another, but I thought we were just having a heated but civil argument. Nobody's snatched anybody's wig or used superficial cracks at someone's appearance. We're arguing but it hasn't been offensive and I don't think it'll ever escalate to that considering that we're both normal and just talking about something. There's no need to sweat out our hair over a convo, so "hatefulness" is harsh, especially since I don't know you and vice versa, so it'll be dumb to hate someone over one conversation when I can agree and like other comments of yours all the same.


We're in agreement on that as I've stated, but there shouldn't be any looking down upon those who wish to discuss the smaller problems. Also, there's no shade for anyone who simply wants to talk about such social injustices on their free time without elevating the movement. If they want to discuss smaller issues or just talk without proactive initiative, it doesn't mean it's not worth it. Fighting social injustice on the bigger issue and smaller issues is killing two birds with one stone, and I think it great when people who do have leverage and elevate the movement still enjoy talking about and approaching the smaller issues as well. Plus, of course, just because someone likes discussing things doesn't mean they're not helping social issues to equate the crime. You can be as active and as interested in every topic and relevancy you desire at the same time. Social changes and personal changes can go hand in hand perfectly.
robot_hanabi 10th-Aug-2012 10:07 pm (UTC)
"Combative hatefulness" was directed at the movement at large, not at you specifically. The majority of all my comments are directed at this new wave of social outrage here. And I'm so glad you used the word slacktivism because that's exactly what it is. I get the sense that people are learning about these social issues for the first time but don't really have a true grasp at what they're talking about, which is why they can't debate with people. When someone disagrees with them they don't know how to defend their opinion so they'll just say, "White tears!" and call it a day. It is wank at this point, there's no real discussion, and yeah...looks like we agree.
beaddddddsss 10th-Aug-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Lawd, I can't stand slacktivism sfm. Whether it's the Kony video (what THE FUCK with these viral not-really-activism-at-all videos all of a sudden) or the whole "post your bra color if you support breast cancer!!!" type of false sense of advocacy, and the whole tomato. It's so damn foolish. It's basically caring deeply for something you know nothing about or are even truly supporting. Ah, gotcha on that, I was just wondering, "the fuck did I say to be hateful? I use sass, but I swear I wasn't in full bitch mode at all." Girl, it so is not wank at this point. No discussion =/= wank. Wank is when people who are trying to discuss an issue are failing miserably with incendiary comments, trolling, and good intentions but horribly wrong info. This discussion went from an argument to just a regular conversation now, not even close to wank. It was nice chatting with you (Idek, but you get me) and glad to see that we basically ended up agreeing, so ~hay.
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