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10:38 pm - 08/08/2012

The Top 10 Most Difficult Books

Back in 2009, The Millions started its "Difficult Books" series - devoted to identifying the hardest and most frustrating books ever written, as well as what made them so hard and frustrating. The two curators, Emily Colette Wilkinson and Garth Risk Hallberg, have selected the most difficult of the most difficult, telling us about the 10 literary Mt. Everests waiting out there for you to climb, should you be so bold.


Emily's Picks



Nightwood by Djuna Barnes - Dylan Thomas called Nightwood "one of the three greatest prose books ever written by a woman,” but in order to behold this greatness you must master Barnes' tortuous, gothic prose style. In his introduction to the novel, T.S Eliot described Nightwood’s prose as “altogether alive” but also “demanding something of a reader that the ordinary novel-reader is not prepared to give.” Nightwood is a novel of ideas, a loose collection of monologues and descriptions. What will keep you going: The cross-dressing Irish-American "Dr. Matthew-Mighty-grain-of-salt-Dante O'Connor," who, when not wandering Paris, drinking heavily, or dressing in nighties, rouge, and wigs of cascading golden curls, is expounding great rambling sermons that fill most of the book. These are funny, dirty, absurd, despairing, resigned—even hopeful in a Becketty I-can't-go-on-I'll-go-on kind of way.



A Tale of A Tub by Jonathan Swift - The first difficulty: The superabundant references to obsolete cultural squabbles (some obscure even in Swift’s eighteenth-century England) and then there’s the narratorial persona: an impoverished, syphilitic madman who cuts pieces out of his manuscript and his fellow citizens remorselessly. His compulsive digressiveness is deliberately baffling, but more baffling still is that this satire, aimed at “the Abuses and Corruptions in Learning and Religion” and written by a conservative, Anglican clergyman, ends finding nothing sacred. If you can bear it (and the 100s of footnotes you’ll need to understand its historical context), it’s the ultimate expression of cultural alienation and despair.



The Phenomenology of the Spirit by G.F. Hegel - Do you enjoy a good intellectual gobsmack every now and again? If so, Hegel’s your man and this book, a classic of German idealism and unquestionably one of the most important works of modern philosophy, is a fine place to start. Hegel’s refutation of Kantian idealism, history of consciousness, and quintessential explanation of the process of the dialectic is hard to understand and harder still to retain (“goes through you like lentils,” as one Stanford professor described it to me), due first and foremost to the breadth of its subject and its terminology. The book’s nearly impenetrable without a good edition and guide or two: The Oxford UP edition is widely considered the best (and don’t skip the notes and foreward) and the Routledge Philosophy Guidebook’s commentary by Robert Stern makes good warm-up reading; also good (and free) are J.M. Bernstein’s lecture notes for his UC Berkeley graduate course on the Phenomenology, available at BernsteinTapes.com.



To The Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf - In its intermingling of separate consciousnesses, Virginia Woolf’s fiction is both intellectually and psychically difficult. Not only is it hard to tell who’s who and who’s saying or thinking what, it is also disconcerting—even queasy-making—to be set adrift in other minds, with their private rhythms and associative patterns. It feels, at times, like being occupied by an alien consciousness. Some readers don’t ever find their sea-legs with Woolf. The trick is to surrender yourself (true with other high modernists too), to let the prose wash over you and take you where it will — not to worry too much about understanding a dogmatic way.



Clarissa, Or the History of a Young Lady by Samuel Richardson - Richardson’s Clarissa is a heavyweight in more ways than one. The novel’s physical heft is part of its difficulty (she weighs in at just under three pounds in Penguin’s oversized edition), especially as her 1500 pages are light on plot (Samuel Johnson said you’d hang yourself if you read Clarissa for the plot). But what the novel lacks in plot it makes up for in psychological depth. Richardson was the first master of the psychological novel and he hasn’t been bested since. These depths are also dark and psychically wrenching: Clarissa's rejection and dehumanization by her monstrous family and the sadistic torments she undergoes at the hands of her rescuer turned torturer, the "charming sociopath" Robert Lovelace, offer some of the most emotionally harrowing reading experiences available in English.

Garth's Picks



Finnegans Wake by James Joyce - Finnegans Wake is long, dense, and linguistically knotty, yet hugely rewarding, if you're willing to learn how to read it. By this, I don't mean wallowing in the froth of scholarly exegesis the Wake churned up in its wake. Not the first time out, at least. (I take Joyce's talk about setting traps for his readers as an expression of hostility born out of years of frustration.) Rather, I mean surrendering to Joyce's music. Meaning here is more a question of effect than of decoding; in this way, this Difficult Book is paradigmatic of great literature more generally. Try reading 25 pages a day, out loud, in your best bad Irish accent. (Seriously - some of what seems like idiolectic obscurity is just a question of how you pronounce your vowels.) You'll be maddened, you'll be moved, and you'll be done in about four weeks.



Being & Time by Martin Heidegger - Being & Time is probably the hardest book I've ever read. To contradict what I said vis-a-vis Joyce, I don't feel comfortable as a reader of Heidegger letting things wash over me. Literary meaning and philosophical meaning are different beasts, and Being & Time, with its intentionally obtrusive neologisms, isn't meant to be dreamlike. It aims instead to be, among other things, a new kind of science, or a new foundation on which to build the sciences - an understanding of what it means "to be." Heiddeger gets a lot of things shockingly right, and yet the book's abstractness and rigor mean that most of his discoveries remain well-kept secrets. Even reading the first half in a graduate-level seminar, it took me over a year to get through this one. Was persevering worth it? Well, it changed my life. I don't know how much more a reader can ask for.



The Faerie Queene by Edmund Spenser - The difficulty and the pleasure of reading Spenser's masterpiece arise from a common source: its semiotic promiscuity. The Faerie Queene is allegory to the power of allegory. Or it is allegory drunk out of its mind on sugary wine, dressed up in layers of costumery, made to run singing through the garden of Eden at four o' clock in the morning before falling down in a heap at sunrise to make silver love to itself. Or it's the product of that lovemaking, tenor and vehicle copulating so variously and complexly that each becomes the other. There is much madness here, not least in the sheer hubris of Spenser's plan. (Like Heidegger, he only finished half of his magnum opus.) The Faerie Queene is also, bizarrely, a work of exquisite poetic control, hundreds upon hundreds of perfectly turned stanzas. I read it in college. It was hard as hell, and I forgot the plot even while I was reading, but many of its images remain burned into my brain ten years later.



The Making of Americans by Gertrude Stein - I've been working my way through The Making of Americans for many summers now. I keep getting several hundred pages in, switching to something else, and then, as with Heidegger, returning to find I've lost the thread. But what Heidegger describes, Stein evokes; to read even a page of The Making of Americans is to be thrown into a unique state of attunement. The fineness of attention its exquisite narrative tedium promotes is like an antidote to the shallows of the internet. Beyond the page, birds sing louder, sunlight grows thicker, car horns bare their souls. "The first stunningly original disaster of Modernism," someone wrote about this book, and while I'm not sure it was intended as a compliment, it makes me wish there were more disasters like this.



Women & Men by Joseph McElroy - In this space I could put any number of postmodern meganovels - a subgenre I've been smitten with for many years now. There's William Gaddis' JR, which is easier than people make it out to be, and Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow, which is harder. There's The Recognitions and Mason & Dixon. There's William H. Gass' The Tunnel - verbally lucid, but morally arduous. Of the lot, though, I'd like to shine the spotlight again on Joseph McElroy's Women & Men. It is longer than any of the foregoing, and, in the idiosyncracies of its prose, on par with the hardest. Parts of it, anyway. Its temperament, though, is completely sui generis - warm, humanist, synthetic rather than analytic. As I wrote for the L.A. Times a few years back, it's like an entirely different version of what comes after Modernism. It's a weird and wonderful book, and I can't wait to dive into it again.


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punishermax 8th-Aug-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
I love the book, but you could put House of Leaves here as well. It sort of warps in on itself a lot and the very strange way the book is formatted at times can make it difficult.
rhapsodeeinblue 8th-Aug-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
That's my favorite book of all time.
emptysthemepark 9th-Aug-2012 08:18 am (UTC)
It's in my top 5 (usually #3 depending on my mood because I'm so indecisive) and I've already worn one copy out and had to buy a second. I keep the falling apart copy for reading in transit because it's too messed up for ereaders.

Really shocked HOL isn't on here. I'd think it was a given.

Only Revolutions, on the other hand, failed to grab me. Never finished it. Keep meaning to.
deja_vu822 8th-Aug-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
lol i just got to a page that was all upside down and gibberish and had smaller magnified boxes that were sideways and i was like HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO READ THIS
nicholasdee 8th-Aug-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
house of leaves was so frustrating it took me out of the story
djc114 8th-Aug-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
Hated/loved that book. Drove me crazy with all the connections and hidden shit.
lissalynn 8th-Aug-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
I love that book!

I was surprised not to see Infinite Jest on here tbh. Though I love that, too.
gramfaernes 8th-Aug-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I really hated that book. When the gimmick is all you have going for it, you have a problem.
improved 8th-Aug-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
One of my favorite books ever.
hockeychick57 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
i've had that sitting on my shelf for about 3 years. i should get to it eventually.
expromqueen 8th-Aug-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
i think it definitely belongs on this list
lreservoirldogs 8th-Aug-2012 09:13 pm (UTC)
I click the cut to see if it was on here. It should be. That shit is hard to read. One day I'll finish it.

Fuckit. I'll just have someone read it to me on my deathbed.
ooh_mrdarcy 8th-Aug-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
It's not really that hard to read... just frustrating and highly annoying at times.
queenofgrey 8th-Aug-2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
came here to say this.
vivisexion 8th-Aug-2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
that book is creepy and confusing as fuck, and i love it
originaru 8th-Aug-2012 09:35 pm (UTC)
Omg, I know. There were times where I'd read pages and pages and then realize I didn't process any of it, lol. I did a lot of re-reading of paragraphs.

I want to re-read it though and see if it makes a bigger impact.
h0tfuss 8th-Aug-2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I wrote my MA thesis about House of Leaves.
a_perfect_shade 8th-Aug-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
i gave the fuck up 30 pages in idk why people even like it
jessashoutbaby 8th-Aug-2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
First book I thought of when I read the title of the post. Love it so much, but it is difficult.
polaraire 8th-Aug-2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
i'm still trying to finish this book. it's sitting right next to me while i've been browsing reddit and ontd all day. i guess i think if it's in sight i'll eventually pick it up...nope.
hotcement 9th-Aug-2012 02:39 am (UTC)
so glad this is the first comment bc i came in here only to see if that clusterfuck of a book would be on the list.
dragoncrab88 10th-Aug-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
Late but I agree completely--when I first was getting through House of Leaves I was frustrated with the way it was done. But I'm just at the end of it now and glad I decided not to give up on it because it is an awesome story altogether. Not to mention just flat out creepy. It takes patience though to get through it, and probably takes more than one read to get the entire story.

It's crazy how I have loved singer/songwriter Poe's album Haunted for the longest time, and just found out the album was inspired from the book.

Edited at 2012-08-10 10:27 pm (UTC)
muffledlaugh 8th-Aug-2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
This list needs Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. Only book I've ever started, genuinely tried to read and enjoy, and gave up on not even halfway through.
1213mello 8th-Aug-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
I was expecting that book to be on here too. I do remember finishing it, but it was painful.
bienenkiste 8th-Aug-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
OMG YES.
stoppelhopser 8th-Aug-2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
I finished ut, but I regret fighting through it for the ridiculous/stupid ending.
muffledlaugh 8th-Aug-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Props to you bb. I just COULD NOT. I even tried switching languages and reading it in Italian - NOPE.
fraubluecher 8th-Aug-2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
I stopped shortly before the end (first book I ever did that with!). I don't really understand why though, I'm a little annoyed with myself - but more annoyed with the book. Eco is such a smug sexist bastard OMG.
redleigh86 8th-Aug-2012 09:31 pm (UTC)
I had to read that for some class in college and actually loved it. Well, not loved it, but was fascinated by it? I don't know, it's hard to explain lol.
gpin2084 8th-Aug-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, Hegel and Heidegger, the combined bane of my final year of uni.

I loved To The Lighthouse, it wasn't that hard to understand.

Edited at 2012-08-08 08:42 pm (UTC)
ree7aan 8th-Aug-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
hegel made me hate my life and the class that forced him on me.
gpin2084 8th-Aug-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
ikr? legit caused ptsd for me. and taking it apart line by line in german, fml.
breadprincess 8th-Aug-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
I loved To the Lighthouse as well, but I feel like the skill of my college lit teacher helped that a lot.
balcarin 9th-Aug-2012 06:15 am (UTC)
I had to take an "overview" "freshman level" class that had both authors and a design your own essay for the final and GOD THAT PROFESSOR WAS PROBABLY SATAN BC 18 YEAR OLDS ARE NOT EQUIPPED. On the other hand, our TA looked like Will Tippin.
bodyline 8th-Aug-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Lolita was difficult to get thru because of the content but the writing was free of flaws.
punishermax 8th-Aug-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
Lolita is amazing simply because there is a group of creeps who totally think it's supporting pedophilia when in fact it's not and they're completely fucking stupid.
superdogbiter 8th-Aug-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
wasn't this the book that started a legit genre in Japan?
bodyline 8th-Aug-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
IFKR
ciel_est_bleu 8th-Aug-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
How could anyone think Lolita is supporting pedophilia? The reader is constantly reminded how disgusting Humbert is. For example, there are often pages of his descriptions of how wonderful Lolita is, but then he'd be like what a shame I won't have any interest anymore in like two years. And even he calls her his prisoner etc all the time and describes how much she hates him etc etc...

ceilidh_ann 8th-Aug-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
The people who bug me more than the ones who think it endorses paedophilia are the ones who think Lolita was leading Humbert on and asking for it. Uh, she's 12! Unreliable narrator, people! I studied the book as part of a project when I was 17 and my teachers gave me so many weird looks over it.
h0tfuss 8th-Aug-2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
I would be so annoyed by all those dudes sophomore year of college who would talk about Lolita and libertarianism.
forthe_asking 8th-Aug-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
I read it when I was 15 and I'm a girl. Forever scarred.
improved 8th-Aug-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
God one of the best books ever written. But IA with what you're saying. Nabokov is a legit genius.
ashtraysoul 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
Nabokov is my fave
ciel_est_bleu 8th-Aug-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
ITA, the writing is incredible - in this respect, one of the best I've read.

Have you read the perfume (Süskind)? I think the writing is comparable in some ways or at least he's equally good in being totally disgusting but fascinating at the same time.
lennoxs 8th-Aug-2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
lolita is absolutely my favourite book of all time. the amount of times i've read it is embarrassing lol
soph_b 8th-Aug-2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
It's one of my favorite books mainly based on the writing.
tessselate 8th-Aug-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
i loved it, but it took me a little while to read because i kind of had to read over stuff and analyze it
la_petite_singe 8th-Aug-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
I thought it got harder as it went on as Humbert went more nuts and became more of an unreliable narrator, but I did like it.
lucciolaa 8th-Aug-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
Lolita was so beautiful, but I wanted to clobber every single character.
zness 8th-Aug-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
one of my fave books.
semalina 8th-Aug-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
this is spot on for me. some sections i flew by and others were just really rough because i didn't really want to read what was going to happen. the last couple of chapters were amazing
youheadbuttyou 8th-Aug-2012 09:29 pm (UTC)
I used to work at Borders. One of my coworkers put down Lolita for her employee rec... BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST LOVE STORIES EVER.

That woman. Ugh.
tobesurrounded 8th-Aug-2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
Lolita is probably my favorite book of all time - it is so amazingly written. It's such a beautifully, beautifully written book with such a disgusting plot. nabokov took suck liberties with language and i just adore it so much.
thestateiamin 8th-Aug-2012 10:26 pm (UTC)
Seriously. No other book I've read has stuck with me as much as that. H.H. is a monster but damn does he take you on a journey.

And not even written in his first language, I read it and thought "shit, is anything going to top that?" (answer: nothing so far).

justyourfaceha 8th-Aug-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
The opening paragraph is one of the most amazing things ever. I have re-read that part hundreds of times.
superdogbiter 8th-Aug-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Clockwork Orange because it has all these made up words that even when i was finished i felt like i had to go back and read it again
fionaaaa 8th-Aug-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I've just finished reading that and ia the language is really difficult to wrap your head around. I actually really like it though and keep wanting to say how 'horrorshow' things are haha
palmsread 8th-Aug-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
lol, same
palmsread 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
i was apprehensive about the Nadsat vocabulary, but got used to it pretty quickly.

in fact - i thought it was amusing, and is one of my favourite things about the novel.
z_e_r_odollars 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
I agree. It was really tough to focus on the continuity of the story with the all of the made up words.
zigzagzap 8th-Aug-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
I picked up the vocabulary really easily for some reason. I love that book.
taecish 8th-Aug-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
eh i think only the first 30% of clockwork is confusing, then you just sort of get what everything means from context and it becomes natural after a while, besides a few odd words
lakomka87 8th-Aug-2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
those weren't made up words
celtic_thistle 8th-Aug-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
I couldn't get into that book, omg. I TRIED SO HARD.
mingemonster 9th-Aug-2012 10:50 am (UTC)
I loved that book and picked up a surprising amount of Russian lol
heulog 8th-Aug-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
How about anything by China Mieville.

I love his settings and his ideas, but dude, you don't need to write like that. It really isn't necessary.
gramfaernes 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I tried to read "Iron Council" and gave up after about 20 pages. No ty.
iamspam99 8th-Aug-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
I found him a lot easier in audiobook form. I could just let the language wash over me without stopping and trying to parse every obscure description.
sparklytee 8th-Aug-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
yeah, he is exhausting. amazing tho.
carriehunt 8th-Aug-2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
love him
devetu 8th-Aug-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
fuck to the lighthouse
kahluaandcream 8th-Aug-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
My boss gave it to me as a gift at the end of my internship and I still haven't finished it. It's one of those books I just erase from my brain the second I close it.
andbless_mybaby 8th-Aug-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
I knew Gertrude Stein would be on here. Her writing is bananas... but in a good way. I took a line from one of her poems for my username.
rhapsodeeinblue 8th-Aug-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
I love her poetry.
kahluaandcream 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas is such fantastic shade.
browniecakemix 8th-Aug-2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
How so, jw? I've never read it but I just picked up a copy at a used bookstore and plan to crack it open by the end of the summer.
actxappalledx 8th-Aug-2012 09:32 pm (UTC)
I read that last semester in a grad class; I was surprised, I wasn't expecting to like it
invisible_cunt 8th-Aug-2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
i fucking love gertrude stein
captaintrash 8th-Aug-2012 11:52 pm (UTC)
Gertrude Stein's poetry is my shit, but I don't think I could deal with anything novel-length.
trixielollipop 8th-Aug-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
The most difficult book I've ever attempted...I didn't finish it...was Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. Jfc, that book was the bane of my existence.
drfaith101 8th-Aug-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
omg Leviathan is a piece of shit. I had to suffer with that book for a year because of Uni.
mistakentrekkie 8th-Aug-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
Fuck that book.
trixielollipop 8th-Aug-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
I feel so lame for not finishing, but it literally had no redeeming qualities.
mysticlady3 8th-Aug-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
Oh I had to read that last semester.

Ugh....never again.
tinkercannon 8th-Aug-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
My Social & Political Philosophy prof. had a huge boner for Hobbes so he had us study Leviathan for like, 2 weeks longer than necessary. Fucking sucked.
bienenkiste 8th-Aug-2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
omg ia
_my_own_heat_ 8th-Aug-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
I have these two friends (they are a couple, actually) and they are crazy about Leviathan. I can usually put their pretentious, know-it-all personalities aside, but when we get on the subject of books and they bring up their love for this book, I wanna slam their faces.
asymptom 8th-Aug-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
We had to take reading quizes on it. I wanted to die
st00pidness 9th-Aug-2012 02:15 am (UTC)
My poli sci class had to read many excerpts but not the whole thing but my god did those excerpts suck. My condolences that you had to read the whole thing. Plus my professor was so vague with it and made us do reading quizzes on it.
likegunfire 8th-Aug-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
i'd rather kill myself than read this fucking book again
iamspecial 9th-Aug-2012 12:31 am (UTC)
That book is impossible. I have respect for the author for even being able to write it, but I am not able to read it.
_andrea 8th-Aug-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
The Chrysalids should be on there. I hated that book in high school, and never actually finished it. haha. its an easy read, but so dumb.

1337nik 8th-Aug-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
I liked it :/ But I struggle with Shakespeare so maybe I'm just dumb.
rubidium 8th-Aug-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
I love that book! It's not dumb, it's lovely. >:(
lucciolaa 8th-Aug-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
NO I loved the Chrysalids
invisible_cunt 8th-Aug-2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
OH GOD YES
we had to read it in grade 9 for our novel study
and i don't even know what it was about
plus my teacher was shit
pimentoplane 8th-Aug-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
The Stranger by Albert Camus. And definitely the Metamorphosis by Kafka. That shit was a downer.
louistomlinson 8th-Aug-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
metamorphosis makes me want to scream
lissalynn 8th-Aug-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
Metamorphosis is horrible. Wouldn't read it again if someone paid me tbh.

But The Stranger is one of my absolute favorites and I didn't find it difficult at all.
banabee 8th-Aug-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
aw, I love both of those
gpin2084 8th-Aug-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
I had to read Metamorphosis in 3 diff courses in the same semester. I only found it interesting when I read it in German. /csb
berry_wish 8th-Aug-2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
I loooved The Stranger. I read it in French and I feel like it was almost easier that way. Like, I wasn't expecting to breeze through it and I was kind of forced to go slow and really understand it
juunanagou18 8th-Aug-2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
I agree in that it was a bit easier reading The Stranger in French. Also, I read it in my French Lit course in undergrad, so we really dissected the story. I enjoyed the novella.
ashtraysoul 8th-Aug-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
I found The Stranger to be a disappointment, but the Metamorphosis (Kafka in general) is stunning imo
get_gone 8th-Aug-2012 09:00 pm (UTC)
I love both of those! Just don't ask me what they ~mean
evilgmbethy 8th-Aug-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
haha didn't enjoy your existentialism class, did you? when I took it last winter my prof kept saying stuff like, "so basically, _______ is saying that the only end to our despair is when we're dead... but seriously don't take this to heart and if you're thinking about doing something drastic, PLEASE TALK TO ME OR A COUNSELOR."
icangoforthat 8th-Aug-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
i love the stranger. but ia about metamorphosis.
bienenkiste 8th-Aug-2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
OMG NOO THE STRANGER IS FLAWLESS
thelovehater 8th-Aug-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
Both of those are really good though.
emmandemms 8th-Aug-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
I love both of them.
And i didn't find the stranger difficult at all, i thought it had a nice flow so it wasn't v. hard to keep up with idk...
klmnumbers 8th-Aug-2012 09:15 pm (UTC)
lol Metamorphosis is one of my favorite books.
sitakhet 8th-Aug-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
L'étranger is one of my favourite books, but even now I find it incredibly difficult and don't understand all of its nuances re: "absurdity". It was for french class and we were all 15...safe to say our final exam was on the book and we all thought we were fucked, lmao.
agatharuncible 8th-Aug-2012 09:27 pm (UTC)
they're complex books, but not difficult books with many obscure references or weird prose. and I say this without shade because I'll forever stan for Kafka.

ETA: I just read some of the comments where people say that The Stranger was difficult... I can see what some of them meant and why some people would find it difficult, but the Metamorphosis isn't that hard (it just makes you think).

Edited at 2012-08-08 09:29 pm (UTC)
juunanagou18 8th-Aug-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
I read Metamorphosis when I was a senior in HS, and I felt (and still feel, tbh) so stupid because the book went completely over my head. The only book before that that has stumped me was Orlando by Virginia Woolf, but then again I was 12 when I read it.
redleigh86 8th-Aug-2012 10:07 pm (UTC)
I didn't like The Stranger either. But I hate existentialism. Plus I hated most of the characters. I have a hard time reading books where I hate the characters.
celtic_thistle 8th-Aug-2012 10:34 pm (UTC)
omg I loved The Stranger.
anolinde 8th-Aug-2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
Metamorphosis was fucking awful. Like, why would you ever write something like that? Why would anyone ever want to read something like that?
mollywobbles867 8th-Aug-2012 11:25 pm (UTC)
Metamorphosis is depressing, but it's not that difficult.
iamspecial 9th-Aug-2012 12:32 am (UTC)
Both of those books are like 90 pages long and really straight forward. You don't have to like them, but they're not ~difficult~
hpxstac 9th-Aug-2012 02:26 am (UTC)
Really? L'Étranger is just pure absurdism. It's pretty depressing, but it's not a hard read.
hotcement 9th-Aug-2012 02:45 am (UTC)
i borrowed the strange from a friend and i was so mad by the end of it that i threw it out lol oops
ohyoudo 9th-Aug-2012 04:43 am (UTC)
The Stranger is my favorite book
sergeant_duckie 9th-Aug-2012 05:12 am (UTC)
The Stranger? It was so short and simple
balcarin 9th-Aug-2012 06:17 am (UTC)
Fuck nothing is worse than THE CASTLE or maybe THE TRIAL by Kafka because the first is fucking circular crazy ass fucking bureaucracy, the second is NOT A FINISHED BOOK. They make you weep to read The Metamorphosis.
superdogbiter also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
The Road by Cormac McCarthy because it was so depressing that i felt very down after reading it
heulog Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
That's one of my favourites, though. I liked that his writing was fairly simple and that he didn't try to make it some post-apocalyptic soap opera like most writers do.

The movie was pretty great as well.
lissalynn Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
Aw, I loved The Road.
palmsread Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
aw, really? it was pretty bleak, and really made you feel the dystopian atmosphere, but that's what I liked about it. you felt like you were right there with 'em.
superdogbiter Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
thats why it depressed me because it was so sad
i loved the book, it just made me sad
hoodoo Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
oh i agree. its a great book and its beautiful but you literally feel so empty after you finish for a couple of days.
la_petite_singe Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
I LOVED it, and the movie, but I'm into that shit. >___>
jamiecullum Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
That is one of my favorite books. I feel down after I read any McCarthy book, but I love his novels. I always have to read something light after it. I love books that make you think about it days after, and that is most of Cormac's work.
silentxstrom Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:26 pm (UTC)
I had to read Blood Merdian for one of my classes last semester and it was the most graphic and disturbing thing I've ever read. I'm not sure if I could handle another McCarthy novel.
originaru Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
The ending like, shattered me. ):
h0tfuss Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
It's such a beautiful paean to trout.
redleigh86 Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 10:08 pm (UTC)
I was going to read it cause it recommended by a friend but then I watched the movie and immediately after spoiled myself of the book, to see if it'd be just as depressing... yeah, nope. I'm not doing that!
celtic_thistle Re: also if by difficult you may mean emotional8th-Aug-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
Oh man, the number of books that have made me cry...where to even begin.
sanditar 8th-Aug-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
i can't finish one hundred years of solitude, i've tried like 6 times :(
trixielollipop 8th-Aug-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
I recently bought this, but haven't started yet. I need to be in the right mindset to start, lol.
sanditar 8th-Aug-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
the family is so big and the characters almost have the same names if i put it down for a week i feel i forgot everything i've read before.
lcacbc 8th-Aug-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I hated that book.
z_e_r_odollars 8th-Aug-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
That is the one book I'm determined to get through in my lifetime, but every time I attempt it, I just can't. So frustrating.
zephyrkist 8th-Aug-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
That's a shame, cuz I loved that book. I read it over weekends at a coffee shop. Very pleasant memories of it.
turkeybeer 8th-Aug-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
I've tried about 4, and I like the book. I don't know why I can't finish it.
nalty7 8th-Aug-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
i've tried three times Eco's Name of The Rose.I can't!
ashtraysoul 8th-Aug-2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
imo it just has some very weak pages in like, the third generation. The first time I read it, I loved it up to that point and got bored with it and left it. A few years later I made it through and it picks up again at some point, the ending is quite beautiful.
sirenlyfox 8th-Aug-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
I thought there was something wrong with me because I couldn't get in to the plot and yet everyone around me was raving about it. :(
hoodoo 8th-Aug-2012 09:01 pm (UTC)
its x100 its in native language (spanish), its one of those books that i think doesnt translate as well
nene718 8th-Aug-2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
i started reading it this summer and yeah, i'm just gonna quit on that one.
winegums 8th-Aug-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
really? I think it's one of those books that can't be finished in one sitting, but I found it pretty easy tbh.

I wouldn't be able to read it on an e-reader tho.
emmandemms 8th-Aug-2012 09:15 pm (UTC)
I started autumn of the patriarch and i don't think i can finish it. It's really beautiful though.
I find the writing style of marquez to be quite difficult
hautexmaglia 8th-Aug-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
Dont give up! Is one of the best books ever.

I understand that the names and all that family is kind of complicated to follow through, but some people make a family tree so they dont get too lost.
silentxstrom 8th-Aug-2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
I read about 100 pages for one class last semester and wrote an 8 page paper. Got an A, but I never finished because it was too confusing and slow.
ohmiya_sg 8th-Aug-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
lol saaaaaame
I looked through the comments just for this book.
ky02121 8th-Aug-2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
This is me
cobainerz 9th-Aug-2012 01:01 am (UTC)
I learned to write English with the translation of that book, and honestly a lot of the beauty of the writing is definitely lost in translation.
greencancer 9th-Aug-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
Seriously? I read it in one go. Great book.
juicyandcouture 9th-Aug-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
THIS!
ohyoudo 9th-Aug-2012 04:46 am (UTC)
it's really an incredible book
scornedsaint 8th-Aug-2012 08:44 pm (UTC)
I love Nightwood, it has some of the most beautiful prose I've ever read (the entire introduction to Nora is amazing), but I still have no clue what happens in the last five pages. Is Robin killing a dog or having sex with it? Did Nora really just run into a doorway and knock herself out? WHAT IS HAPPENING?

Edited at 2012-08-08 08:45 pm (UTC)
kahluaandcream 8th-Aug-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
She was screwing the dog. According to my prof it was a big TAKE THAT! at an ex-girlfriend of Barnes and all of her ex-pat buddies were pissed.
scornedsaint 8th-Aug-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
I am seriously so glad to have that settled. We read Nightwood at the very end of the semester in my modernism class and at that point everyone--including the professor--was way too exhausted to actually do any analysis.
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